DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Cleveland Browns: It’s time for Hue Jackson to go nuclear on officials

It has to be a rules infraction ... like batting out of order or awarding bases wrong ... it can’t be based on judgement ... u can’t protest cause u think an umpire missed a call ... only over rules infractions ...

In baseball the protest must be lodged before the next pitch ... once the next pitch is thrown whatever happend that was illegal is now legal .... u proceed like nothing happenend ...

Yes ... emberasment is a great motivator ... all the great leaders use it ..... ...

You mean like awarding a fumble to the Redskins when our player clearly stands up with the balll?

You mean like when our QB gets dumped on his neck by a DL?

You mean like when they overturn a play even tho we’ve already run the next play?

They constantly violate the rules to cost our Browns games.

Would you prefer we just lay there while they shove it up our backside week,after week, after week?

Goddell certainly would like to see that.

So if its not done in public it must mean its not being done ... ....

110 percent bullcrap on your part bro. 1st off I don't drink at home while watching the games. 2ndoff I don't want to spend 5 min in somebody's shoes who screws over the Browns either by mistake or for cash on the side.

3rd I know just as much if not more than you. So Chill Mr clueless.

It's not being done. We are laying there taking it like a $2.00 prostitute.

U know just as much as me or more about nfl officiating? ....

Ok GM ...

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Have you been an NFL Ref????

WOW .... your more clueless than i ever imagined ,...

I’m done here Rasta ... ...

Wait you are disagreeing with me That just proves I am correct.

Enlighten me. How are the refs held accountable?

On December 16 2001, Terry McAulay botched the Browns Jags game that led to BottleGate. 17 years later, on June 21, 2018 McAulay retired from the league to take the rules expert job for NBC Sports.

It certainly looks like he was punished and reprimanded.. we just didn't see it.

U got me menZa ... ...

The refs making the bad calls have to buy the first round at the after game party.

Don’t u mean the “ hose the browns party” ...

Don't really care about this topic, but I like reading the first 9 words of the headline.

Diam,

I get that they're reviewed/critiqued and such after each game, but then what? You can mock the other posters because they want to tar and feather the refs each week, but there's a huge difference between that and what seems to be the case (no consequences).

Example: There were approximately 2 lifetimes in between the left tackle coming out of his stance and the ball being snapped on that one Charger TD. The call got missed. Scoring plays are all reviewed (?) and the TD stood. I'm not blaming the refs for the Browns loss, but the performance of the refs stands on its own, and is (or rather, should) not depend on if the game is competitive or not. What's the consequence (public or not) for a ref screwing up as bad as that?

You've explained a lot (and I definitely appreciate it, don't get me wrong)... but you've failed to explain the only question that really matters, imo. What happens to a ref that has an unmitigated disaster on his game tape? From the casual fan's perspective, it seems to be nothing, as we see that same refs/crews trotting out there each and every Sunday. Further, we have this weird, protective shroud over the officials. A call can be blatantly, brutally wrong... but heaven forbid a player or coach says as much.
I just don't understand.

So, transparent accountability is embarrassment?
Don't want to be embarrassed by the work you're doing? Do a better job at your job.
Should we stop tracking INT's for QB's or stop tracking when it was the WR's fault because it might make them feel bad the next day?




And THAT is the crux of it all (aside from the whole "why should we care about their feelings" thing... it's a job, your feelings don't matter).

I'll tell you what.... when a Ref screws up as badly as they did with the above example, they NEED to be embarrassed.

Thank u for asking .. and i mean that ...

I’m not taking issue with them wanting to tar and feather the officials ... not at all .. i’ll Join them on some of those calls ... *L* ...

Its the lack of knowledge and the fact they get upset at things the refs didnt do wrong .. they have no clue what their talking about ... and calling them out in public ... what does that accomplsh ooob? ... other than make u feel better for 5 minutes? ...

Also we are doing something about it ... were doing it the right way and not emberassing the officials ... each team submits there own tape to the league and to the supervisor of officials ..

I said over the last 5 - 7 years officials have been losing there jobs ... u guys don’t hear about it and it never used to happen ... well not anymore ... it happens ...

They don’t grade them for the heck of it ....

Look at the new Referres (white hats) and how inexperienced they are ... they’ve got two R’s now that have less than 5 years experience at the nfl level ... thats real young ... part of the reason for that is the fact they started letting officials go ...

And if the 4 referees didn’t retire last year and the fact starting with Carey 3 or 4 years ago they’ve lost a lot of R’s before there time in each of the last 3 or 4 years ..... there’s some R’s would have been nudged out all ready if it wasn’t for all the “pre-mature” retirements over the last few years ...

And one of theR’s that should be put out to pasture is one of the R’s that hosed us .... hes way past his prime and should have hung them a few years ago ...

They don’t do these evals for poops and giggles ... its not like it used to be where u were “tenured” and basically couldn’t get fired ...

I am not sure who the linesman was on the false start this week ... no clue .. i do know who the other officials are that have made bad calls against us ... the 3 I know of are 3 of the lowest rated officials in the league ...

I wish i knew who the linesman was this week ... i’m Still in shock over that one .. all i can think is it was so agregious it froze him ... i usually know what happenend ... NO CLUE on that one ... pass the tar and feathers please ... *L* ..

Thanks again for at least asking ....

U have any other questions PM me .... that goes for any of U ... u have any questions or want to tell me how wrong i am send me a pm ... *L* ...

I’m done down this rabbit hole ... not fun nor productive ...

LETS GOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo

Sometimes its good for your HC to stand up for his team - The players are getting just as frustrated as we are. We see it in baseball all the time when a manager runs out and gets in an umps face knowing he is going to get tossed. why does he do that? Because it shows his team something. I think it accomplishes a lot inside the locker room tbh.

I have been hard on the officials this year. Previously, I just chalk it up as a bad call and move on. But this year, the bad calls, the non calls, etc have been so egregious and dumbfounding - they need called out. And its not just the browns - its happening in every game. You don't hear about these complaints in the NCAA, why? Different rules and such I know - but their officials seem to be on point.

So what is happening at these evals tho? Obviously the same refs are making the same bad calls. What's going to happen...nothing.

My niece was over during this game. She has never watched a football game in her life. Hates it. She was watching and when this happened she said "how come that gets to have a head start?" I replied, "he doesn't, the referee messed up and didn't penalize him". Her first reply was, "I knew that was bad, he should be fired on the spot!"

I agree with my niece.

Thanks! That's a helpful explanation.

Public shaming would probably make me feel better for all of 5 minutes... :-p

Knowing that they addressed said egregious miss and that it shouldn't happen again would make me feel infinitely better. I'm just trying to peel back the layers and understand the mystery... that's all.

Myles Garrett is not happy with how they’ve been officiated this year. Doesn’t care if he gets fined for saying it because someone had to

https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/1053335769488728065

or you know, have Baker lead a receiver into a ref... let him get his a@$ knocked out...

https://youtu.be/HatSFijENaI

He is held about every other play, and has had exactly 1 flag in the last 120 or so snaps......

A Tackle eligible.

Off topic, but just curios, your post just reminded me.

I've noticed a lot more linemen reporting as eligible receivers. I was at the Philly preseason game and I could swear I heard "#65 reporting as eligible" on 75% of their plays. After a while fans were actually mocking it.

If you're facing a premier edge rusher, why not report your tackle eligible on nearly every play? Now you have an open receiver every time he gets beat, or at least someone's feet to aim at to avoid intentional grounding.

Not asking for a friend.

I don't like players stepping on Hue's toes, which I think is happening here. I feel Hue should be the one saying this, and not Garrett.

I'm glad he has said something. I used to not like complaining to the refs until I saw how effective it is in the NBA.