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And you reply still doesn't answer why we couldn't just have lowered his touches and kept him. Hyde touching the ball 10 x a game is better than a 5th round pick imo. Because we drafted Nick Chubb with the 35th pick. As soon as we picked Chubb, Hyde's days were numbered. Chubb has to play.
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This is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
First Gordon.
And now this?
I AM PISSED. HE IS OUR MOST RELIABLE BACK. HOW DUMB ARE THESE PEOPLE. Hyde is the epitome of an AFC north back, and we just traded him right when we need him most with the weather is about to turn. lol.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that.
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I am done with the Dorsey koolaid.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. Or the next Genard Avery (taken in the fifth round).
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And you reply still doesn't answer why we couldn't just have lowered his touches and kept him. Hyde touching the ball 10 x a game is better than a 5th round pick imo. Because we drafted Nick Chubb with the 35th pick. As soon as we picked Chubb, Hyde's days were numbered. Chubb has to play. Bro they signed hyde knowing they were drafting a Rb in the draft. his days were numbered? They had just signed him! For 3 years. You don't do that if you know you are going to cut or trade him lol. And why cant you have both backs again? Why cant you swap out their workload? Your not making sense.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. hyde is worth more than a 5th, so trading him for a wr would seem more logical, no? and what type of WR are we getting for a 5th rd pick?
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I understand the reason for this trade. I just don't like it. Chubb is going to need to stay healthy and learn to pass block.
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I expect Johnson will get more work and Chubb will fill in the gaps. I don't know about that. What might happen, with these WR injuries, is that both will be seeing a ton of snaps. Hell, they could keep Landry on the outside and lineup Duke in the slot more. I just can't see Duke getting more reps than Chubb as the lead back and taking over the role that Hyde had. I just can't. But crazier things have happened.
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I really don't like this move. I was under the impression, especially as we got more into the season, that there would be enough touches for all.
Dorsey more than earned my trust during the offseason, so I begrudgingly go along with this. Forcing Duke to get more touches is the upside of this trade (because it sure as heck isn't the pick we're getting back).
Let's see how well Chubb can grind out yards when he's getting hit in the backfield, and we'll see how he can improve his blocking in a hurry.
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I actually expected this. Our FO wanted to get Tyrod and Hyde until Baker and Chubb were ready. Well, they're ready.
Hyde was gone anyways. Get a 5th for him
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And you reply still doesn't answer why we couldn't just have lowered his touches and kept him. Hyde touching the ball 10 x a game is better than a 5th round pick imo. Because we drafted Nick Chubb with the 35th pick. As soon as we picked Chubb, Hyde's days were numbered. Chubb has to play. Bro they signed hyde knowing they were drafting a Rb in the draft. his days were numbered? They had just signed him! For 3 years. You don't do that if you know you are going to cut or trade him lol. And why cant you have both backs again? Why cant you swap out their workload? Your not making sense. They knew they were going to pick a running back in the second round when Carlos Hyde signed on March 14th? That seems like poor planning. The years in NFL contracts mean nothing, we should all know that by now. Hyde was the bell cow, I don't know about you, but I would not be happy if my workload was reduced in the way you are suggesting. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb both need to be on the field/get the ball a whole lot more. That doesn't leave much room for Hyde. On top of that, we get a fifth round pick instead of burying a guy and killing his value.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. Or the next Genard Avery (taken in the fifth round). We don't really know what we have in Avery yet. I like what I've seen so far, but he lasted until the 5th for a reason.
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Makes sense to me. Chubb has shown he's more than capable of matching Hyde's numbers and Duke will get more touches. On top of that we save a few million and get a 5th in return. Hyde was NEVER going to stay here 3 years and was simply insurance before the draft.
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I actually expected this. Same. I just expected it to be in the off-season. Getting a pick instead is very shrewd.
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Hyde was absolutely terrible. Johnson and Chubb were better in nearly every way.
I expect the offense will flourish now that 3 YPC Hyde is gone.
you had a good run Hank.
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Wont be surprised when I come back from the Atlanta United game on Sunday and read this forum and hear all about how much Chubb sucked.
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If Chubb gets Bake killed missing a blitz pick up ya’all will be singing a different tune ...
For a 5th round pick ... i dunno about that ...
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And you reply still doesn't answer why we couldn't just have lowered his touches and kept him. Hyde touching the ball 10 x a game is better than a 5th round pick imo. Because we drafted Nick Chubb with the 35th pick. As soon as we picked Chubb, Hyde's days were numbered. Chubb has to play. Bro they signed hyde knowing they were drafting a Rb in the draft. his days were numbered? They had just signed him! For 3 years. You don't do that if you know you are going to cut or trade him lol. And why cant you have both backs again? Why cant you swap out their workload? Your not making sense. They knew they were going to pick a running back in the second round when Carlos Hyde signed on March 14th? That seems like poor planning. The years in NFL contracts mean nothing, we should all know that by now. Hyde was the bell cow, I don't know about you, but I would not be happy if my workload was reduced in the way you are suggesting. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb both need to be on the field/get the ball a whole lot more. That doesn't leave much room for Hyde. On top of that, we get a fifth round pick instead of burying a guy and killing his value. I think a 5 year old knew we would be drafting a RB high in the draft. either in the first or second, yes. who cares if hyde likes his new role, his job will be to run the ball when he is called. Do you think TT like his new role? So in a few weeks, if chubb gets hurt - are you comfortable with Duke and some bum taking all the carries? I am not. Duke is not that kind of player. The only reason you have to give about this is Chubb needed more carries - I agree. you can still do that without trading him for nothing. I swear some on this board will back ANYTHING this organization does no matter what. Its no wonder why we cant win a game, and its not wonder why jimmy will continue to stuff his pockets as he puts crap on the field.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. hyde is worth more than a 5th, so trading him for a wr would seem more logical, no? and what type of WR are we getting for a 5th rd pick? A veteran whose best days may be behind him, but still has gas in the tank? A good young WR buried on the depth chart somewhere that has an excess of WR talent?
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
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Seems cheap to me. Hope Duke and Chubb get it going. The blocking has been lame. Thanks, Mr. Hyde. Good luck.
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If Chubb gets Bake killed missing a blitz pick up ya’all will be singing a different tune ...
For a 5th round pick ... i dunno about that ...
Oh well ....
GO NICK!!!!! Yeah. So. Hyde also was very bad in pass pro.
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as a the change of pace back Chubb is not a 'change of pace back' to Hyde. Duke Johnson would be a 'change of pace back'. And thus, Duke remains a 'change of pace back" to Chubb. That said, I agree that he need to learn on to block better ASAP.
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
If I never hear the term AFCN (insert position) again, it will be too soon. Johnson and Chubb were flat out producing more on less touches. If this means less 2 yard runs up the middle and more passes to Duke, then it's a massive win.
you had a good run Hank.
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And you reply still doesn't answer why we couldn't just have lowered his touches and kept him. Hyde touching the ball 10 x a game is better than a 5th round pick imo. Because we drafted Nick Chubb with the 35th pick. As soon as we picked Chubb, Hyde's days were numbered. Chubb has to play. Bro they signed hyde knowing they were drafting a Rb in the draft. his days were numbered? They had just signed him! For 3 years. You don't do that if you know you are going to cut or trade him lol. And why cant you have both backs again? Why cant you swap out their workload? Your not making sense. It was a 3 year deal, but it was effectively a one year deal as it had an out for 2019 where we'd have only $2.3MM in dead money. We just pretty much invoked that AND skipped the dead money by way of transferring that responsibility to Jax. This move tells me that Chubb is going to be getting a lot more work.... and yes, Hyde's days were numbered here the moment he signed, and that was etched in stone as fact the moment we put Chubb's name on the draft card and turned it in. I'm not particularly a fan of the timing of this move, but I cannot really fault it IF they feel Chubb has come along far enough with knowing his freaking blocking assignments.
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. hyde is worth more than a 5th, so trading him for a wr would seem more logical, no? and what type of WR are we getting for a 5th rd pick? A veteran whose best days may be behind him, but still has gas in the tank? A good young WR buried on the depth chart somewhere that has an excess of WR talent? Or perhaps one that can neither catch nor run routes,say like a Streater
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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. hyde is worth more than a 5th, so trading him for a wr would seem more logical, no? and what type of WR are we getting for a 5th rd pick? A veteran whose best days may be behind him, but still has gas in the tank? A good young WR buried on the depth chart somewhere that has an excess of WR talent? You are literally making up crap. His best days behind, he is literally having his best year this year lol.
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my only concern: I hope Chubb's pass protection has improved
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I swear some on this board will back ANYTHING this organization does no matter what. Its no wonder why we cant win a game, and its not wonder why jimmy will continue to stuff his pockets as he puts crap on the field. This describes me perfectly. The only reason you have to give about this is Chubb needed more carries - I agree. you can still do that without trading him for nothing. We got a fifth round pick. So in a few weeks, if chubb gets hurt - are you comfortable with Duke and some bum taking all the carries? I am not. Duke is not that kind of player. What if Hyde gets hurt? Do you think TT like his new role? I'd trade him too. I think a 5 year old knew we would be drafting a RB high in the draft. either in the first or second, yes.
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Anyone have an inkling on how this will affect Duke? Does he get an uptick in use?
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
If I never hear the term AFCN (insert position) again, it will be too soon. Johnson and Chubb were flat out producing more on less touches. If this means less 2 yard runs up the middle and more passes to Duke, then it's a massive win. yeah cause the 5 foot 8 200 lbs guy that's only running attribute is speed and elusiveness does you good in the snow. There are sayings in this world for a reason, because they are typically true. The Rams need a different kind of back than our division needs.
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I wonder if they're thinking of bringing in Mayfield's old buddy, FB Dimitri Flowers to help out in pass pro situations. I think I read he worked out here this week or last week.
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The Browns could no longer use Hyde's blocking as a reason to play/keep him after two blown blocks resulted in an interception and sack last Sunday.
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
Swish, that is the first thing I thought of. I would have never ever made this trade at this point. Duke struggles against blitz and Nick is still young. We started off this year with one of the best running games in the league. You don't mess with something when it is working. I dislike giving away Carlos for nothing about as much as giving away flash for nothing. At least with Flash, I understand the baggage
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