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If the 5th round pick is ammo for a trade for a WR, I'm okay with it. Otherwise, I don't get the obsession with later round draft picks. We may have just traded our starting RB for the next Jeremiah Pharms, and I'm not okay with that. hyde is worth more than a 5th, so trading him for a wr would seem more logical, no? and what type of WR are we getting for a 5th rd pick? A veteran whose best days may be behind him, but still has gas in the tank? A good young WR buried on the depth chart somewhere that has an excess of WR talent? You are literally making up crap. His best days behind, he is literally having his best year this year lol. I was talking about what kind of receiver we might get for a 5th, not Hyde. I don't make things up, buddy boy.
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
Swish, that is the first thing I thought of. I would have never ever made this trade at this point. Duke struggles against blitz and Nick is still young. We started off this year with one of the best running games in the league. You don't mess with something when it is working. I dislike giving away Carlos for nothing about as much as giving away flash for nothing. At least with Flash, I understand the baggage exactly. people love talking about our rushing attack being one of the best in the league. and yet are celebrating that we just traded a big reason for those rankings to jacksonville. i haven't seen chubb muscle his way through a tackle. we've seen hyde do that multiple times in a game this season already.
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. Remove the two long TDs and Chubb is averaging 5 yards a carry. Try again.
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You are literally making up crap. His best days behind, he is literally having his best year this year lol. Chubb is averaging 3.4 yards per carry (yuck) and 63.7 yards per game. His two previous seasons were significantly better. Look for yourself: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HydeCa00.htm
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people forget that chubb got 2 long TD's.....as a the change of pace back. he sucked literally every other time he touched the ball. either back to the LOS or lost yards.
oh, and he can't pass block. you know who also struggles picking up blitzes? Duke.
and people seemed to already have forgotten what happens when duke gets high volume touches.
he either fumbles, or gets nicked up/hurt.
So we gave up a true AFC north back for two guys who struggling picking up blitzes and a guy who can't stay healthy 100% throughout the game.
i get that Hyde wasn't the future. but we are gonna miss him this season, especially when winter rolls around. and when our RB's get baker killed because one of them missed a block, i hope yall remember to go "well, at least we got a 5th rounder!!"
If I never hear the term AFCN (insert position) again, it will be too soon. Johnson and Chubb were flat out producing more on less touches. If this means less 2 yard runs up the middle and more passes to Duke, then it's a massive win. yeah cause the 5 foot 8 200 lbs guy that's only running attribute is speed and elusiveness does you good in the snow. There are sayings in this world for a reason, because they are typically true. The Rams need a different kind of back than our division needs. McCoy in Buffalo, Lewis last year in NE, the Packers using a WR as a RB... What does size have anything to do with it? If size meant you are more durable, Baker would he hurt and Allen would be playing. Johnson and Chubb is more than good enough to deal with the AFCN and any other division.
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Anyone have an inkling on how this will affect Duke? Does he get an uptick in use? I'd guess Duke Johnson touches the ball more with a little uptick in his snaps. Chubb gets a ton more snaps.
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Anyone have an inkling on how this will affect Duke? Does he get an uptick in use? Yes. I'm not sure where exactly, but with this trade, the WR injuries, and all the WR drops last week, I think he gets a ton of run in a great spot no matter where he plays.
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Anyone have an inkling on how this will affect Duke? Does he get an uptick in use? I'd guess Duke Johnson touches the ball more with a little uptick in his snaps. Chubb gets a ton more snaps. Ya think? You really think the 2 backs left will get more playing time since the starter was traded?
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yeah cause the 5 foot 8 200 lbs guy that's only running attribute is speed and elusiveness does you good in the snow. Since 1999 it has been less than 32 degrees during a Browns game 32 times (home or away, in the division and not in the division). That's 1.8 games per season. And it doesn't snow every time it's below 32 degrees (I am assuming this is true, I live in Southern California). Don't believe me? See for yourself: http://pfref.com/tiny/VZV4u
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Anyone have an inkling on how this will affect Duke? Does he get an uptick in use? I'd guess Duke Johnson touches the ball more with a little uptick in his snaps. Chubb gets a ton more snaps. Ya think? You really think the 2 backs left will get more playing time since the starter was traded? You're welcome.
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Minimum carries is 15. Chubb made the cut by one. Duke by three.
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Hate this trade. I like Chubb as a back but the way Hyde runs the ball it would have been good to have Chubb watch that for an entire year. Chubb tries to turn every run into a long TD and often times loses yards. Hyde lowers his head and gets tough 3 yards a carry.
My biggest question is when will this team stop building for something and start playing for something?
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Minimum carries is 15. Chubb made the cut by one. Duke by three. Better than Carlos Hyde.
you had a good run Hank.
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Unless we are going to package that 5th to get a WR somehow, I don't get this at all.
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My biggest question is when will this team stop building for something and start playing for something? We are going to be playing the better players on Sunday versus the Buccaneers, that's a start.
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ALSO, why the hell are we wasting time with a trade like this when we have an unsolved horrible situation at WR? This makes no sense no matter how I look at it. WAKE UP DORSEY! GO GET HELP AT WR!
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I do know he missed a few important blocks (one for an INT) that hurt us last week ... that didnt help Hyde's cause
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Minimum carries is 15. Chubb made the cut by one. Duke by three. Better than Carlos Hyde. Hyde had 114 carries. My point being, I would be curious to see what Duke and Chubb's elusive rating would be at a the same sample size. or at least similar to Eckler and Barkley who are also on that list have significantly more carries. It's almost unfair to them, really.
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ALSO, why the hell are we wasting time with a trade like this when we have an unsolved horrible situation at WR? This makes no sense no matter how I look at it. WAKE UP DORSEY! GO GET HELP AT WR! I'm hoping our GM (and his highly qualified staff) can do more than two things at once. Furthermore, if we traded for a wide receiver right now, do you think he plays on Sunday?
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Carlos Hyde has rushed for 382 yards - 3.35 YPC. That is low - very low. I like Hyde's effort - but as we have discussed on the show - just a banger - nothing special. We will now see more touches for Nick Chubb & Duke Johnson - I'm on board for that. On top of that - only six catches. Nick Chubb has ran for 173 yards on 16 carries. Hard to know exactly what is going on behind closed doors but there appears to be a tug of war. Same with Duke's touches - this should fix both issues. https://twitter.com/BrownsScout/status/1053382913943838723
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Furthermore, if we traded for a wide receiver right now, do you think he plays on Sunday? We got Perriman. We cool.
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Minimum carries is 15. Chubb made the cut by one. Duke by three. Better than Carlos Hyde. Hyde had 114 carries. My point being, I would be curious to see what Duke and Chubb's elusive rating would be at a the same sample size. or at least similar to Eckler and Barkley who are also on that list have significantly more carries. It's almost unfair to them, really. Duke Johnson has been in the top 10 of elusive rating every year hes been in the NFL.
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No doubt. His yardage so far has been subpar. On top of that - only six catches. ^ THIS is what is alarming to me because he has been a really good pass-catching back.
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Furthermore, if we traded for a wide receiver right now, do you think he plays on Sunday? We got Perriman. We cool. 
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I don't doubt it. So #2 after just 19 carries is a bit unjustified.
Look....I am the biggest Duke Johnson truther there is on this board. I was calling for an extension over a year ago and have complained about his usage since before the Wendy's value meal menu started. I'm just trying to put his elusive rating as #2, with only 19 carries, in perspective.
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Maybe the silver lining is when Chubb got in the D new it was a given that he was getting the ball but now that he is the feature back defending him might not be so easy ….just saying
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My biggest question is when will this team stop building for something and start playing for something?
Right about when we have actually built anything. As for depth, we also brought up that other RB we had on the practice squad last week. I forget his name. This may all be part of a grander idea to re-shape the offense since we have no WR's and the prospects of finding one (or more) that will actually be able to contribute anything are rather slim (to non-existent). If we sign that fullback to the now-open roster spot, that's the direction I'm going to lean. Even if we don't, I could see us using a TE like Orson Charles or even DeValve as more of an H-Back that can lead block on runs or pick up blitzes in pass pro, or be a receiving weapon.
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Sashi got a 4th for a punter.  Uh oh! You must like waving red flags in front of a bull... 
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Quoting and replying to it makes you equally culpable! 
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Quoting and replying to it makes you equally culpable! I'd say you are probably correct...
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Next on the trade block will be Bitinio, so Dorsey can get more of a look at his boy Corbett
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Next on the trade block will be Bitinio, so Dorsey can get more of a look at his boy Corbett I don't see that happening...
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Next on the trade block will be Bitinio, so Dorsey can get more of a look at his boy Corbett I don't see that happening... If it does we riot.
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Collins is the only one I'd see now IMO
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Considering we're playing Tampa, I'm calling for a 100+yd, 1 TD game from Chubb.
I called for more Chubb carries, I'm certainly gonna see it now. I'm optimistic.
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Guess the production wasn't matching the contract.. not sure it was his fault but it is what it is. Clear the money and move forward with Chubb and Duke and use the money more productively next year...
Chubb better learn to block.
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j/c
It will be interesting to see how this pans out during the rest of the season. I always thought Hyde softened up defenses and made it easier for Chubb to run because of that.
Only time will tell.
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Next on the trade block will be Bitinio, so Dorsey can get more of a look at his boy Corbett I don't see that happening... If it does we riot. Swap Bitinio for JC Tretter and I think your right.
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