DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Trade RB Carlos Hyde to Jacksonville.

A free agency signing strikes again!

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Gawd, this board is dumb.

IMO, Hyde was no better in pass protection than Johnson or Chubb. They all equally blocked the same.

Could you elaborate, please?

It's so freaking dramatic. Goodness!

We got guys throwing middle school girl fits that we are tanking the season. We have others saying a 5th rounder is a great return. We have others saying that this is Dorsey dissing Hue. We have guys bringing up Sashi and a punter. We have guys saying this is an indication that are owner is cheap. Etc, etc.

Man! Some of these dudes make this place hard to handle. The negativity on the board this week has been outrageous. It's all about agendas w/very little football talk.

Duly noted.... so what did you think of the trade?

Hyde ran hard but to be honest, there was times when he missed the big hole and then grinded out a 4 yard gain that looked impressive but u know he just missed the big hole that could have netted a 30 yarder. I like Hyde good compliment back but I think Chubb is the better back. I also thought Crow was better than Hyde but thats for another discussion.

Anyway next man up, I believe Chubb is going to prove Dorsey right on this one.

So the options are:

Give Hyde 90% of the touches or remove him from the team??

As a coach / offensive coordinator - we can't find a way to give Chubb more touches and reduce rather than eliminate Hyde???

And lamp, just for you and other guys who like football talk, such as bonefish, YTown, Pit, Diam, ddubia, Fate, tru, etc....I'll give my take on the trade.

I don't like the trade all that much. However, I am not "freaking" out over it. I know a lot of guys really, really value draft picks, but the odds of a 5th rounder being better than Hyde are slim.

I can understand why they made the trade, because maybe the coaching staff met w/Dorsey and wanted to get Chubb and Duke more involved. I don't think this trade was an indicator of the FO and coaching staff not working together. I get that a certain segment of our population are desperately hoping that is the case, but I think it's a collaborative decision.

The reason I don't like it is two-fold:

1. I would have rather have received a WR from the Jags' rather deep group of WRs than a 5th round pick.

2. Baker holds the ball a long time in part because our WR corp isn't the best right now and he is struggling to read the D if his first look isn't open. Thus, blocking is pretty important. And I don't want to see Chubb getting Baker killed. I actually believe Baker has a future w/this team and I don't want him taking the shots that Rosen did last night and guys like Luck have in the past. It's bad news to get your young qb beat-up early in their career.

With all of that said, it could end up being a great deal if Chubb lights it up. I am not saying he can't. I think it is rather obvious the coaching staff and FO believes in him.

Just the other week, Hue said something about we have to find a way to get Chubb more touches. Well, Dorsey found a way for that to happen.

Best of luck, fellas!

Dorsey decided we were playing the wrong guy too much.

Rather than interfere with Hue and tell him who to play, just trade the guy he wanted to play and give him no choice..

Right.

So it's been ZERO DAYS since the Browns have cut a veteran player?

How many days since they traded the kicker, can't have been more than 5 weeks.

less than 35 days this team can go without dismantling itself.

I blame myself...

this "disorganization".

Oh well, they kept Hue, why keep a winner who scores TD's

Watch out anybody who scores TD's for the Browns, they'll cut ya, already claimed to reduce the playing time of Callaway, he had a Td in the 4th quarter of one of these games.

How long can they keep this team together?
Well apparently 36 days is too long to not cut 2 players.

Unbelievable.

So you think Dorsey cut hue's legs out from under him, without consulting the coaching staff?

Yeah, the speculation is weird and silly. But such musings are to be expected from such an odd move, no?

Versatile, can you make a logical case for why the Browns saw the need to do this, at this time? I struggle to make sense of this.

I wasn't a Hyde Honk, but I liked him and appreciated the work he did for the team. He's seemed durable and steady, even as he didn't pick up quite so many yards per carry. But whose fault was that? Hyde, O-Line, or some of both?

If Duke and Chubb needed more carries, did Hyde have to get traded for that to happen? Why not maintain depth at the running back position by keeping Hyde and just putting in Duke and Chubb more often?

I'm rambling here because I just find this move to be so puzzling. The conspiracy theories are... well... conspiracy theories. But I don't see any good explanations for why Hyde was traded for a 5th Round pick.

peen's post is an example of what I was talking about earlier.

I felt this way as well....letting Crow walk only to sign Hyde was a little confusing to me....Same kind of back, but I thought Crow was more explosive....i'd assume it was a money thing...I wonder how their salary's compare....

Though, you could also say Dorsey wanted to change this teams direction....and sometimes that means parting with players who could contribute.....just to get fresh faces, fresh attitudes, and a new culture in the locker room...

I think it is most likely we decided that its time to go with the young guy and we attempted to save money and get a little something back. If we were in first place, do we make this decision? No we dont but we are a 2 win team after 6 games and Hyde really hasnt made a great difference in any game.

Split with Chubb and Duke imho is simply much scarier to a defense.

I know. I feel, Why is it everytime the Browns do something (stupid), they don't learn from it?

You know who else does that? addicts.

As if the Team has an allergy to skilled position players on the offensive side of the ball,
everytime they find one, they try to get rid of it.

Sick and tired of getting more draft picks. We had better flip that pick ASAP. If not, maybe next year, we will play for this year.

Was hoping we were done doing that, which leads me to believe that pick is gonna be moved soon. If not, are the Browns really asking us to wait another year?

I have to believe that pick will be moved by the trade deadline.

No, I think he told them what he was thinking of doing and he wanted to do it...I am sure he asked if anybody objected. I think he saw the staff was going to keep leaning on Hyde until something was done.

I don't think he just walked in and told them he traded Carlos.


Think about it....we didn't get much. That leads me to believe we initiated the offer, not the Jags. Had it been the other way around we would be looking at a 3rd. I don't think Hue went to Dorsey and told him to trade Hyde while he could get something because he wasn't going to play him anymore.

It might have happened that way, but I doubt it.

This isn't a bash Hue post. Any way it worked, I am glad we opened the way for Chubb and Duke to get the ball. Hyde isn't all that good. He is very average.

Link?

jc

Hyde is a fine RB.

Did you all notice we have a crap OL before bagging on Hyde?

There isn't one. He's making it up to make Hue look bad.

Hue doesn’t need any help looking bad, there’s 3 seasons of tape for that. But. If you come out and say you need to get so and so more reps, and you’re the HC and that doesn’t happen. Who else is to blame. I’m not advocating firing Hue, but he’s not doing himself any favors

I find it interesting that JAX would give up "so much" for a guy that might be a few week rental .. unless Fournette is out for a while

That makes zero sense. If Hue says we have to get Chubb more reps and Dorsey trades Chubb's main competition, how in the hell is that a negative on Hue?

It shows they are working together.

I get that a lot of people are praying we fire Hue, but man, you can't see the forest for the trees.

I wish we could have received Cole or Westbrook instead of a dumb ass 5th round pick.

It is all opinion at this point.....so what is your point.


Link that my opinion is wrong.....

I more than agree completely! He was a running back that will fight for the extra yard. We will miss him on a lot of 3rd and short or goal line runs.

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Hyde has 20 first down runs, 116 attempts Chubb and Duke have 10 in 35 attempts. This regime is big on Numbers and these numbers are telling a story. that crap OL is blocking pretty good for the other 2 guys.

You stated it as a fact.

Good gosh man....we are all giving opinions. You are making things up as well, but I don't call it that out of respect. You have your opinion, I have mine.


You really do need to learn how to act on a message board. It is all opinion based. Even most links are opinion based.

You have your's, I have mine, the other person has their's.


Think about it...there would be very little discussion on the board if people didn't voice their opinion.

Tell me all about on Sunday after we lose and you guys' heads are popping off.

You stated it as a fact. I stated mine as an opinion.

And for God's sake, do you have to make every thread a "bash Hue" thread?

Y'all are ruining this board w/the constant crap.

Settle down Eve. IMO we are better off with Chubb and Duke in lead roles.


Carlos is a dime a dozen back. We aren't going to be out anything if the others prove to me the same.

Sorry man....I said I think.


Tell me what that means?


Is that not implied that it is my opinion? You are a smart guy.

When I know what I am talking about as a fact, I just state it as a fact and people can take it how they want.

the difference between being a guy and being a stud at running back is the explosive plays. Hyde had 1 in 116 tries. Chubb has 4 or 5 in 16 tries. Fact we got a 5th was a steal considering we got rid of his contract as well.