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Something about this trade reminds me of the movie moneyball. Dorsey probably wanted to see Chubb and Johnson get the ball. So.... he forced his hand. You cant keep playing players who are not on the team.
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Something about this trade reminds me of the movie moneyball. Dorsey probably wanted to see Chubb and Johnson get the ball. So.... he forced his hand. You cant keep playing players who are not on the team. 
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The Browns saving money again? Whats the over/ under games before Chubb is injured?
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Something about this trade reminds me of the movie moneyball. Dorsey probably wanted to see Chubb and Johnson get the ball. So.... he forced his hand. You cant keep playing players who are not on the team. This is all true. But if Dorsey and Hue wanted Chubb and Duke to get more reps, why did they have to trade away Hyde to accomplish this? Why not just call Haley into the office and order Haley to give more reps to Chubb and Duke? Last I heard, Hue is Haley's boss. Bosses give orders and subordinates obey them. End of Chubb/Duke reps dilemma. Hyde still could have been cut at the end of the year, if that was the plan, and would in the meantime serve as valuable depth on a team that lacks quality depth in so many areas. This notion that the only way Chubb and Duke get more work is to get rid of Hyde is ridiculous, though it is a common notion around here. The logic is profoundly flawed. It reminds me of that old adage from the Vietnam War - "In order to save the village we had to destroy the village." Uh huh. All right. Whatever.
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Let's just hope our RB position doesn't end up like our WR position.
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My concerns about the trade are - Chubb getting Bake killed ... - value wasn’t there for me ... - another veteran gone ... we keep getting younger ... - depth ... he had his faults but he was still good and he was a vet ... Chubb is really really raw ... hes more ready than Callaway but he’s not ready for a prime time roll IMO .. I don’t understand why this was an all or nothing proposition .. lots of middle ground in here ... To me it makes the plan crystal clear .... And your right we didnt really learn anything knew about Dorsey and hues relationship ... but for me it connected the last dot to now believe Hue is going to get a fair shake from Dorsey and with the plan being to go young that means more time than just this year ... i could be out in left field on this one .. but its just the sense i get .... Thats how i see it anyhow ... the more i think about it the more sense it makes ... GO NICK .... 
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I'm worried about short yardage stuff too ... along with pass pro
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People can say what they want. I see that all the time. lol
Hyde was averaging 3.4 yards per carry. Let that sink in for just a minute. 3.4 yards. So all the blathering and upheaval won't change the fact he had below average production in the running game.
And you can say what you want about TD's. Yes, you guessed it, I've seen that before too. lol Giving any RB's that are even average enough touches close to the goal line and they too will get those same TD's.
I like Hyde. He's a good work horse RB. But as per usual, our fan base overvalue most players who dawn a Browns uniform. This time is no different.
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Finally thought we had a front office with some brains but alas... Chubb will blow a knee next week and then Duke can have his wish. 25+ carries. Most of them between the tackles. Of all the Browns in the world, they are the Charlie Browniest. Hyde was playing well for us so of COURSE, we had to dump him. Now, we have the excuse to throw the ball every stinking down. Right as the weather is about to turn...
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People can say what they want. I see that all the time. lol
Hyde was averaging 3.4 yards per carry. Let that sink in for just a minute. 3.4 yards. So all the blathering and upheaval won't change the fact he had below average production in the running game.
And you can say what you want about TD's. Yes, you guessed it, I've seen that before too. lol Giving any RB's that are even average enough touches close to the goal line and they too will get those same TD's.
I like Hyde. He's a good work horse RB. But as per usual, our fan base overvalue most players who dawn a Browns uniform. This time is no different. AVG running backs like Hyde will always see a lower yard per carry when you have a lot of injuries at WR and the defense feels it can go all out on stopping the run. I mean there were times he was getting tackled, as soon as, he got the ball. I don't think it was a production issue. I think it was a locker room issue. That is what my gut tells me. Otherwise this trade just looks stupid.
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RB is one of the easier positions to step right into and produce. You either have the moves, vision, speed, power, toughness, etc or not. Obviously, the pass pro is the typically the big issue.
Will be interesting to watch as it unfolds. I tend to trust Dorsey and Hue more than I have trusted the guys we had in the past.
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Last year he ran for 3.9 yards per carry. In 2016 he did much better but he hasn't averaged over 4 yards per carry since 2016. He's also never rushed for over 1000 yards in a season.
I like Hyde but I think some people are making a lot more out of this than there really is. Hyde and Crowell are pretty much the same guy. Crowell rushed for 4.1 yards per carry last year.
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I just think Dorsey wanted to get a vet RB to let our rookie ease into the role (same with QB) ... now that we feel that Chubb is ready (and better) ... time to get something for Hyde
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Last year he ran for 3.9 yards per carry. In 2016 he did much better but he hasn't averaged over 4 yards per carry since 2016. He's also never rushed for over 1000 yards in a season.
I like Hyde but I think some people are making a lot more out of this than there really is. Hyde and Crowell are pretty much the same guy. Crowell rushed for 4.1 yards per carry last year. I'm already on record for preferring Crow to Hyde. I wasn't a fan of picking up Hyde to begin with because I view him as average at best. I would only have him backing up Duke as it is. Still teams are going to stack against our run game since we have no WRs other than landry who is getting double and triple teamed. That means that Chubb and Duke will have a high probability of suffering an injury from a huge workload and facing defenses stacked against them. Who steps up once Chub or Duke gets hurt? A fifth round pick is not worth being stuck in Jacksonville's position.
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You mean finding an average back is too hard to do?
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Stupid move on Dorsey's part IMO The biggest problem with our roster right now is the lack of quality depth. If we wanted Chub and Johnson to handle the ball more I am all for that BUT to just get ride of Hyde for a 5th round pick is just stupid. That is what I think. Either Hyde wasn't happy taking a secondary role, or Duke asked for a trade if he didn't get play time. As a rook, Chubb couldn't say much. Either way, I am happy that Cuubb and Duke take lead roles. We are a better team today. We have Hilliard for depth. I wouldn't mind bringing back Dayes.
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Stupid move on Dorsey's part IMO The biggest problem with our roster right now is the lack of quality depth. If we wanted Chub and Johnson to handle the ball more I am all for that BUT to just get ride of Hyde for a 5th round pick is just stupid. That is what I think. Either Hyde wasn't happy taking a secondary role, or Duke asked for a trade if he didn't get play time. As a rook, Chubb couldn't say much. Either way, I am happy that Cuubb and Duke take lead roles. We are a better team today. We have Hilliard for depth. I wouldn't mind bringing back Dayes. There were some hints that Duke wasn't thrilled with his role ... nothing substantiated, just hinted at. He gets an uptick now
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Wonder if the Browns go after Terrell Pryor who just got cut?
Of course Hue knows him well. He has a slight groin tear. But should not miss much time.
When he left he was arguably our most productive receiver.
Not sure how Pryor is currently perceived. Schefter reported that the Jets would like him back after he heals.
However, he is available.
I like guys who win when covered. Pryor has that body. I guess he rubs some the wrong way.
I don't know but it would seem like a good add to me if he can play.
I don't see much risk.
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Last year he ran for 3.9 yards per carry. In 2016 he did much better but he hasn't averaged over 4 yards per carry since 2016. He's also never rushed for over 1000 yards in a season.
I like Hyde but I think some people are making a lot more out of this than there really is. Hyde and Crowell are pretty much the same guy. Crowell rushed for 4.1 yards per carry last year. I'm already on record for preferring Crow to Hyde. I wasn't a fan of picking up Hyde to begin with because I view him as average at best. I would only have him backing up Duke as it is. Still teams are going to stack against our run game since we have no WRs other than landry who is getting double and triple teamed. That means that Chubb and Duke will have a high probability of suffering an injury from a huge workload and facing defenses stacked against them. Who steps up once Chub or Duke gets hurt? A fifth round pick is not worth being stuck in Jacksonville's position. I don't think all of this really adds up. Last week we ran the ball 21 times in a blowout, the week before we ran it 28 in a grind-it-out AFC Norris matchup. There isn't some "huge workload" because the only way we won't be a pass first team is if the running game has great success... like in Oakland, where we ran the ball 31 times for 208. I don't care how many receivers we do or don't have, we're going to throw the ball.
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You mean finding an average back is too hard to do? Why do u think j-ville traded for Hyde ... why do u think we signed him in fa ... If average backs were sitting around now or that easy to find Hyde would have had no value ... And his yards per carry is decieving ... he made some really good 3 and 4 yard runs just to get back to the line of scrimmage ... Dude was not all that and had his limitations but some of u are writing him off like he's a dime a dozen back ..
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Everything is a conspiracy theory. LOL Ok Mr. Know it all.....what do you think? We are expressing opinions here, it's a message board, like it or not. If you don't like it, stay away like you have said you were on many occasions. There is no conspiracy here. I just find it odd that Hyde is here one day and not the next. Given articles about Duke being frustrated, it makes me wonder. Get a grip my friend
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Nice job cfrs. Chubb had quite a few impressive runs in his small body of work.
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Wonder if the Browns go after Terrell Pryor who just got cut I would be on board with that.
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Wonder if the Browns go after Terrell Pryor who just got cut I would be on board with that. I think that would be a smart move at this point.
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I wouldn't. This issue with Pryor is that he he isn't where he is supposed to be. That caused problems when he was here but we got infatuated with his athleticism and that he looked better than the rest of the Wr on the roster. But that was not because he was good rather it was because the rest of our Wr's were so bad.
Then he went to Washington and that became an even bigger issue because their offense was more dependent upon being in the right place. That is why he was released there.
I imagine that it is becoming an issue in NY.
When you are trying to develop a rookie Qb, you want Wr's that you can depend on to do their job correctly. On of those things is running the right route at the right distance off the LOS.
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Hm. Those are good points.
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Thank-you,I now feel so much better about this trade.
Everybody knows that people who get paid lots of money to make decisions are never wrong. Lol. Bonefish going with " Chubbs time has come" as if he is heir apparent.
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Its pretty obvious the Browns are not trying to win this year, if they were, they wouldn't be starting a rookie QB, and they wouldn't have traded two of their core players they built their entire offense around in Hyde and Gordon.
Its the same garbage just a different year. they are not trying to win, and its very reminiscent of the Indians of the old days being the damn farm league for the Yankees.
the fans of this city deserve better, Dorsey and company didn't do enough in offseason to allow us to win.
They gutted out run defense by trading Shelton and Cutting Meader both of whihc were in the Top 8 by PFF for run stopping and run D, they traded Gordon away because they got mad at him for being late to a meeting, and now they traded Hyde whom I bet behind closed doors got ****** off for losing and probably unloaded on people with his mouth voicing his displeasure at this organizations unwillingness to win, they simply are not committed to winning, no one wants to stick around with losers.
The Browns haven't had a coach that was commited to winning every Sunday Since Butch Davis, and they haven't had an owner commited to winning since the late Al Lerner...no way Al Lerner would put up with the trash misery we have had since 2007, the guy would done what it takes to fix it (Spending money, using draft picks, and etc to get the damn ship sailing)
We will be lucky to win 4 games this years, that isn't progress, its trash.....Browns fans should never accept this losing trash every year...Blame the refs all you want, the bottom line is the talent level isn't there. That falls squarely on the coaches, The administration and the owner.
Folks can say what they want about Baker Mayfield, but I see another talented guy with potential that this franchise will ruin...Baker Mayfield will fail in Cleveland, but he won't fail because of anything he does, he will fail because we have an owner and a administration that isn't commited to winning and Mayfield will get the hell beat out of him just like Couch did....We already lead the NFL in sacks on our QB, Mayfield already hurt his ankle...how long you think he is going to last? He is less mobile then Taylor, and even Taylor got his bell rung because of this line.
No way Mayfield lasts the year, not with this trash team...we are doing the same thing we have done with every other QB...ruining them and getting the **** beat out of them....they will stick with MNayfield longer because he is the #1 overall pick in draft, but we will ruin him all the same.
Itsd beginning to look like things are not going to change as long as Jimmy and Dee own the franchise....I thought Randy Jr was bad, but he has nothing on these clowns....the only way out of this mess is either Jimmy sells or something happens causing him to have to give up ownership, we don't have a chance in **** as long as those two are running the show.
the Detroit Lions were smart enough to fire the morons who took them to 0-16, but not Dee and Jimmy...a 1-15 season followed by an 0-16 season and he is still here, we have won 2 games so far, at this right we may break .500 by 2030....good luck with that...
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... we have an owner and a administration that isn't commited to winning ... IMO, this is so far away from the truth. These guys jobs are on the line, particularly Hue's, so winning at least a good handful of games this season is essential...
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Thank-you,I now feel so much better about this trade.
Everybody knows that people who get paid lots of money to make decisions are never wrong. Lol. Bonefish going with " Chubbs time has come" as if he is heir apparent. But is he not? I believe that he is...
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Its pretty obvious the Browns are not trying to win this year, if they were, they wouldn't be starting a rookie QB, and they wouldn't have traded two of their core players they built their entire offense around in Hyde and Gordon.
Its the same garbage just a different year. they are not trying to win, and its very reminiscent of the Indians of the old days being the damn farm league for the Yankees.
the fans of this city deserve better, Dorsey and company didn't do enough in offseason to allow us to win.
They gutted out run defense by trading Shelton and Cutting Meader both of whihc were in the Top 8 by PFF for run stopping and run D, they traded Gordon away because they got mad at him for being late to a meeting, and now they traded Hyde whom I bet behind closed doors got ****** off for losing and probably unloaded on people with his mouth voicing his displeasure at this organizations unwillingness to win, they simply are not committed to winning, no one wants to stick around with losers.
The Browns haven't had a coach that was commited to winning every Sunday Since Butch Davis, and they haven't had an owner commited to winning since the late Al Lerner...no way Al Lerner would put up with the trash misery we have had since 2007, the guy would done what it takes to fix it (Spending money, using draft picks, and etc to get the damn ship sailing)
We will be lucky to win 4 games this years, that isn't progress, its trash.....Browns fans should never accept this losing trash every year...Blame the refs all you want, the bottom line is the talent level isn't there. That falls squarely on the coaches, The administration and the owner.
Folks can say what they want about Baker Mayfield, but I see another talented guy with potential that this franchise will ruin...Baker Mayfield will fail in Cleveland, but he won't fail because of anything he does, he will fail because we have an owner and a administration that isn't commited to winning and Mayfield will get the hell beat out of him just like Couch did....We already lead the NFL in sacks on our QB, Mayfield already hurt his ankle...how long you think he is going to last? He is less mobile then Taylor, and even Taylor got his bell rung because of this line.
No way Mayfield lasts the year, not with this trash team...we are doing the same thing we have done with every other QB...ruining them and getting the **** beat out of them....they will stick with MNayfield longer because he is the #1 overall pick in draft, but we will ruin him all the same.
Itsd beginning to look like things are not going to change as long as Jimmy and Dee own the franchise....I thought Randy Jr was bad, but he has nothing on these clowns....the only way out of this mess is either Jimmy sells or something happens causing him to have to give up ownership, we don't have a chance in **** as long as those two are running the show.
the Detroit Lions were smart enough to fire the morons who took them to 0-16, but not Dee and Jimmy...a 1-15 season followed by an 0-16 season and he is still here, we have won 2 games so far, at this right we may break .500 by 2030....good luck with that... Dude. U need to just QUIT WATCHING FOOTBALL. Cause u have NO IDEA what you're looking at. Man, it must SUCK TO BE U.
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I've already expressed what I think of the trade. Opinions are fine. In fact, I expressed my opinion that this isn't a conspiracy theory.
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Dude. U need to just QUIT WATCHING FOOTBALL. Cause u have NO IDEA what you're looking at.
Man, it must SUCK TO BE U.
Nope, I know exactly what I am talking about. you folks here have gotten so used to losing your apathetic to it, and get solace in moral victories and some grand notion of potential. Potential is just that, potential. Potential is a fart in the wind until its realized. You are what your record says you are, and the Browns are 3-33........its absolutely awful beyond belief. the Browns were 7th in the NFL in Run Defense last year (thanks in large part to DT's Meader and Shelton clogging the middle of the line), we are ranked 29th against the run this year due to Dorsey being the "genius" that he is decided to cut Meader(Whom Williams said this offseason is one of the best run stopping DT in the league)and traded Shelton to New England for peanuts. I could go on, but its pointless. Folks have their heels dug in. the City of Cleveland is being duped for fools by Jimmy and Dee, they don't care about winning and are not committed to it. If they were they wouldn't have kept an 0-16 coach, no other owner would. No matter the circumstance keeping an 0-16 coach is beyond moronic. Dorsey may get his wish this year and be able to can Jackson, but thats no guarantee things get fixed. Its obvious FA like Jefferson wouldn't come here, and took less money to go to Baltimore because the Browns ownership has a rep, a rep of being losers...All Jimmy cares about is pocketing money...if the team wins or not is irrelevant to him... keep sucking that kool-aid and moral victories, see how far that has got us the last 10 years....the record speaks for itself. you are what your record says you are, the Browns SUCK, and their is ZERO indication SUCK is going to change anytime soon.
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The Browns saving money again? Whats the over/ under games before Chubb is injured?
Like Hyde but I don't think we will miss him much.
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What if Hue & Haley went to Hyde and said...hey...we are going to put Chubb as the lead back and get Duke in their to give our QB a checkdown threat. And Hyde said...ok, but I'd rather go to another team to be the lead guy...can you trade me?
Then they agreed to a trade and hugged it out. Who knows?
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Why is he not in Phili then? ... he’s gonna be the lead back there til Lenny’s hammy heals ... then he’ll be buried deeper on the bench than he would be here ...
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Why is he not in Phili then? ... he’s gonna be the lead back there til Lenny’s hammy heals ... then he’ll be buried deeper on the bench than he would be here ...
I dunno...maybe Jax gave us the best/only deal? I'm more just suggesting that maybe there was nothing sinister or conspired or any of the sort. Maybe four professionals got together to discuss the issue and made a plan for it that worked for all parties involved. FWIW, I still don't like the trade...but I'm not losing any sleep of fandom over it.
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