DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue Jackson may take over Playcalling

I would like to add one thing to our discussion because you mentioned it and peen criticized Hue for it.

I am pretty sure that Hue was being asked questions about the play calling and the offense's performance. I don't think Hue just started going off on the play calling. I think he was answering questions. And again, Hue said he was considering becoming more involved, and that doesn't change no matter how times certain posters try and post the same exact information that is coming from different writers.

maybe Haley's the one who needs to be removed from the situation .. maybe Big Ben was correct

What if Hue would actually have success with this talent?

who the heck ever said Haley was deliberately throwing the game? I am pretty sure you just made that up.

You also don't know (or I for that matter) what exactly is going on behind closed doors, we are all speculating here to some extent.

What we do know is this -

Haley has been successful everywhere he has gone as a OC, and recently was the OC of the best offense in the league

We also know, that although we start bad, our Offense does pretty dang well in the second half. Telling me that Haley makes great adjustments at half time, and is not scared of changing his gameplan.

OK, let's apply some logic here.

You argue that Hue never directly said that he was taking over playcalling duties. This is true.

It is also true that Hue never DENIED he was taking over playcalling duties.

When Mary Kay directly asked Hue if he was taking over playcalling duties, Hue responded with a maybe. He said it was a possibility and that he was going to look into it.

Link? You want a link? Okey-dokey, here's the link:
Hue Jackson: Buccaneers Postgame Press Conference

Advance the video to the 6:41 time stamp and watch all the way through to 7:47. Pick it back up at 8:37 and watch through to the end. These snippets of video contain the entirety of the questions and answers on this particular topic - no quotes taken out of context.

In responding to Mary Kay's question if he would take over playcalling duties, watch Hue at 6:57.

So, all you Hue Honks, do not make up stories that Hue never said he was taking over playcalling duties. He very well might - he is considering it. He said so himself.

We have the 5th best rush O in the league... Haley is doing something right..

Now clearly D and O are not on the same page.... D is playing for highlights and turnovers, while the O is grinding... at least that's the way I see it.

What was Ben correct about? Haley put up massive numbers in Pitt with their offense. Ben and Haley just didn't get alone personally, had nothing to do with his coaching. Maybe you should stick to facts.

How is more successful in their careers to date - Hue or Haley?

He's either incapable of running an effective offense, to which he is of no use to us, or he is deliberately making Hue bad (or trying to bring heat on Hue with a bad offense) to which he is of no use to us.

Fire Haley.

I wouldn't fire anyone. I would stay the course and use this year to develop our younger talent and to learn how to finish games.

I was actually impressed w/the fortitude and effort of the team yesterday. I saw a ton of positives.

I just haven't found a thread where to talk about the game, because the Postgame thread is just a bunch of emotional hysteria and these other threads are about firing people.

Now that's interesting.... why not fire the other bums and let Haley do his job.

I think it is reasonable to think that ALL coaches will be gone next year. Hue, Haley, Greggg, and yes, even the beached whale that is Bob Wylie.

It is a mess in Berea. And to think posters kept saying everyone was on the same page and working well together. Hopefully, most of you didn't believe that nonsense.

jet fuel doesn't burn metal.....

So if Haley is incapable of running the offense, how about Hue and his 1-31 record as playcaller. Sorry Haley IMO deserves more of the benefit of the doubt than Hue

All of us "Hue Honks?"

The vast majority of posts are ripping Hue a new one. I don't see too many defending him and no one is bragging about him.

I simply don't think he should be fired.

Honk that.

No. I don't think you blow it up completely.

Prove it.

That would involve Haley starting to do his job.

Let Dorsey hire HIS guy. Then his guy determines what coordinators HE wants. These lingering coaches that stick around hardly ever work. But hey if the new coach wants a a Haley, Gregggg, or Wylie, then that is his choice. But keeping them for the sake of just not blowing up doesn't make sense to me.

Haley ineptitude has kept us in all the games so far.... The O has gave us a chance to win in all games where it was possible.

IMHO, there is a clear dissonance between the O and the D and the HC....

O plays grinding game
D plays for highlights
and the head coach has no idea...

I don't mind Hue supporters. I do mind when, in their enthusiasm to back Hue no matter what, they misstate facts. That is why I clarified the issue with hard factual evidence.

For the record, I am not a Hue hater. I am Hue apathetic. I think he is a very typical NFL head coach, which is to say very mediocre.

I don't care if Hue is fired, because the idiot Haslams will just pick another mediocre coach to replace him and plug the new coach into the same dysfunctional management structure and corporate culture.

IMO, this is just tension born out of continued losing, and most of it is artificial.

Those snippets from Hue's press conference are concerning, but I think he's responding poorly to the pressure of losing this year. Hopefully the higher ups can ease some of that tension this week, and get these guys back to focusing on football rather than this Game of Thrones thing they're starting to do.

Hue isn't getting fired unless the team dynamics on the field drastically change (defense goes to hell, players start quitting real bad). Like it or not, Haslam had a 1-31 coach coming out of last season, picked a QB at #1 who's now playing, and with all the new faces in the locker room. The time to fire Hue would have been this past offseason. By not firing him, they bought in to at least another year of Hue. You just can't 180 and fire him midseason. Then again, Haslam is a joke when it comes to this type of thing.


We better not have a coach fired mid-season. I mean, unless we want to tank again. We just brought in a ton of new and young players, the offense hasn't even been fully installed by now. Let's all just chill out... or go root for Buffalo.

I don't agree.

Hue Jackson has been here for 39 games, of which he had full control of the offense for 32 of them.

Haley has been here for 7. And despite these 7 games of "full autonomy", he sure has had to deal with a lot of questionable decisions from his head coach-- from requiring Taylor to start at QB even though he can't throw, letting receivers do anything they want as long as it it's not practicing, moving Bitonio to left tackle (???), etc.

And let's be real, while the talent on this team has been greatly improved, a lot of that talent is on the defense. There are holes at offensive tackle and receiver. Give Haley some time... I would have said the same thing during Hue's first season and probably this far into the second season as well.

I think Dorsey did this offseason....

I think his guy is one of the above. . .

Because I don't want, nor does anyone want a young Qb and young offense having learn an entirely new scheme. I also don't want to have a young defense making strides to have to learn a new defensive scheme. You see, we are building a roster based on THOSE schemes. We have made strides and are moving in the right direction - we should just be there a little faster imo than we are. blow it up completely, and you lose all the strides we have made.

He talks too much and divulges too much to the blood thirsty media.

If he's gonna be more involved then do it. There are plenty of ways for an offensive minded former playcaller headcoach can be "involved" with the offense.

-Game theory/philosophy
-Gameplan
-Opening script 15-40 plays that are the best of the gameplan concepts

But don't talk about to the media

JC: Seeing these media articles about Hue possibly losing his job amazes me.

It seems very reactive to the loss, without thinking through a plan.

What positive comes out of firing Jackson? I just don't see the point. Maybe if we had a potential replacement for him here, but I don't see it.

I want someone totally different than this group of coaches if Jackson were to be fired...........



I'd rather give him at least until the bye week to right the ship, if not the whole season


EDIT: As for the offense. I don't think firing Haley makes sense either. Maybe becoming more involved in the opening playcalling, but the team's been working with Haley's plays all season. I don't think taking away the playcalling is a good idea.


Change just for change is not always good, no matter how pissed folks are

This team is severely limited at WR. Damion Ratley is a starting WR? Counting on rookie Callaway is a mistake he is not ready for a fulltime roll as most rookies are not.

Njoku drops too many balls.

With all of that said, hue does this to himself…..he just cannot stop giving the media what they want. He is the Anti Belicheck, just spewing from the mouth all the time making stupid definitive statements like “We are not going to give Baker any first team reps because Tyrod is the starter for 2018”.

WHY? WHY HUE?



Overall, I think Hue has done a good job at what he was brought here to do….change the culture. I never saw any quit in this team, I see the right types of guys at the right positions. Yes we absolutely are not deep due to years of turnover but man, the last two years this team has had the worst roster in the entire NFL by a LANDSLIDE…..at one point Terelle Pryor was THE GUY…..think about that…..


I am not ready to give up on Hue yet and I think the franchise would be better for it long term.

Bill Belichick said it was one of the things he needed learned after leaving Cleveland. How to deal with the media.
And they are way more vicious and undisciplined than in the 90's.

It is. Which is why releasing Gordon without a backup plan was insane. Which I think would fall on Dorsey AND Hue, you don't make that move without consulting Hue first to ask "do we have a guy we can rely on"

Hue is a VERY smart man. He knows how to work people into his favor, and we saw that with his media leaks etc last year. Do not think Hue doesn't have an agenda with what he said. He is panicking and feeling the pressure IMO, and trying to divert the issues onto someone else.

He was brought to change of the culture of losing - we are still losing, so I disagree. Hue was brought here to do one thing and one thing only, win football games. He is not doing that.

I tried, I really tried (and stated before) that hue was doing better - but the team now has talent, and we have little to show for it.

You can have a bad roster - and still improve. Still coach out some things.

Everyone says the team doesn't quit on Hue, for the most part that's true, but they quit against the Chargers.

HEARTBREAKING loss after HEARTBREAKING loss, something has to give.

Lets see:

1. We have a rookie QB
2. We have a new RB (a rookie now)
3. We have a rookie UDFA at LT
4. We have a new RT (who was a backup at Pitt.)
5. We have 2 new WRs (Landry and a rookie in Callaway)
6. We have a new OC

Yet after only 7 games we are averaging almost 50 yds more offense per game then last season and 7 more points a game and everybody is complaining.

Including the head coach.

And that would be because we don't have Hue leading the offense. Man, with all that Haley is doing a great a job, huh?

Agreed. The reason why everyone is complaining is that with a play here or there and a fair shake from the refs we could have 5 or 6 wins even with all the new and rookie players we have. Frustrating!!!

7.Add a new Head Coach
8.Add a new D coordinator

It will make no difference, at least we will not be worst....

The world is conspiring to get Hue fired....


Maybe that's the tell Haslam needs to fire the guy...

This should have happened after last year. However, Haslam had to get in the way.

Dorsey will get his chance to hire his guy after this year. Hopefully, Haslam will just get out of the way this time.

we always start slow. its an illusion that hue helped in the second half

I watched the presser, and am a little confused what all the commotion is about. I read he threw everyone under the bus, but I didn't get that feel at all. He said nothing no different when special teams was struggling. He said he needed to help.

As Browns fans, we can be so short-sighted. Disappointing.

The main thing I hate about Hue is how he words some things.

The main thing I hate about Haley is he seems like an ego-maniac, and he runs those stupid cutesy plays.


Neither should be fired at this point. I think it's ridiculous that we're talking about it. My hope is that some day, we'll all wake up and realize that this is all false drama so our lazy journalists and jaded fans will have something to fill time.

Hue definitely needs to change his approach to media. He needs to mirror Belichick. Sometimes saying less is better.

Hue Jackson is fond of reminding everyone he's the Browns' 'head coach,' but for how long?


Hue Jackson is fond of reminding everyone — especially his assistants — that he's the boss of the Browns' coaching staff.

Sunday, after a 26-23 loss to the Tampa Bay Bucs dropped Jackson's record as the Browns' beleaguered boss to 3-35-1, the head coach referred to his job title so often that it was almost as if he was shocked he still had it.

• "I'm the head coach of the football team. I will do what I feel I need to do to get this team where it needs to be," Jackson said, in reference to his pledge to get more involved in the Browns' offense.

• "I'm the head coach of the football team, period. Period," Jackson reminded the media, again, when he was pressed on his future involvement in the offense. "There's nothing else that needs to be said. Nothing. I'm the head coach of the football team.''

• "Trust me when I say I'm not trying to create any issue here, but I think if the offense is not playing well, and we haven't over a period of time, being a head coach and an offensive guy who's done this, I think I have every right as a head coach to jump in and see if I can help and assist and get this thing to where I think it needs to be, because we need to be better on offense," he said of a unit that is tied with the Miami Dolphins for 23rd in the league with an average of 21.6 points per game.

Jackson is correct when he said (time and time again) that it's perfectly acceptable for a head coach to get more involved when a unit isn't playing well. One of the issues, as plenty of others have been pointing out since Sunday's loss dropped the Browns to 2-4-1, is offensive coordinator Todd Haley took the job under the condition that he'd have control of the offense. There's also the fact that Jackson was calling the plays when the Browns won one game during the worst two-season stretch in franchise history.

There's no question that Haley deserves his share of criticism for his role in an offense that is 29th in the league on third down (a 32.1% conversion rate) and yards per pass (6.5). But it's not his fault that the Browns, oddly, were so against playing No. 1 overall draft pick Baker Mayfield right away that they gave him very little reps with the first-team offense until an injury to starter Tyrod Taylor forced their hands in Week 3.

It's also not Haley's fault — nor is it Jackson's — that the trade of Josh Gordon, while understandable, combined with injuries have left the Browns laughably thin at wide receiver.

And if Jackson is the one in charge — just ask him — it's the coach who deserves the brunt of the blame for the Browns being 2-10-1 in games decided by three points or fewer in his tenure. The mark, not surprisingly, is the worst in the league in that span.

The Browns have forced a league-high 20 turnovers and have an NFL-best turnover margin of +10. Being 2-4-1 while being so dominant in such a key facet of the game seems almost as impossible as a head coach keeping his job after winning one game in two years.

As Rotoworld's Rich Hribar tweeted Sunday night, the Browns are 1-1-1 in the games in which they've won the turnover battle by at least three. The rest of the league is 20-1 in such situations. And if you lower the standard to +2 or better, Cleveland's 1-1-1 record in such situations is a bit worse than the rest of the league's 35-2 mark.

Sunday, the Browns scored once — a 26-yard TD drive on their first possession of the third quarter — in four drives that started after their defense forced a turnover. That short scoring march was also the only one of the four in which the offense recorded a first down after the defense took the ball away from the Bucs.

Now, just two weeks after a win over the Baltimore Ravens had some fans believing a playoff run was possible, the Browns seem to be headed for another lost season.

This week, they play at Pittsburgh, which is coming off a bye and seems to have righted the ship after a slow start. Two home games — against 6-1 Kansas City and 2-4 Atlanta — follow. The three clubs are each averaging at least 27.8 points per game, which figures to put even more of an onus on the offense to improve.

If the Browns head into their bye week at 2-7-1 or 3-6-1, Jackson's job could be in serious jeopardy. (There were even rumblings about the head coach's status Sunday night.)

Firing the head coach during the season is rarely the answer, and handing the team over to Haley or Gregg Williams doesn't seem all that appealing, either.

We could be wrong — it's happened a time or 300 in this space — but we think Jackson, barring a few more performances similar to the team's Week 6 debacle against the Chargers, will keep his job for the rest of the regular season.

We doubt Jackson's tenure as — say it with me — the head coach will go beyond that.

There are plenty of reasons to like about where the Browns are headed — beginning with Mayfield and plenty of young standouts on defense. There's also a lot to like about the work general manager John Dorsey has done this year.

There's nothing good, though, about 3-35-1.

Sashi Brown had a lot to do with 31 of those losses, and his tenure as the leader of the football side of the organization didn't go beyond two seasons.

Jackson has had a lot to do with it, too — and his time as the head coach finally seems to be running out.

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jc

What is the point of have an OC if the HC is calling the plays?