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Haus we have been here so many times before,here are my 2 cents:

We hired Hue when he was a hot commodity, its very hard to believe he didn't have any input on the roster, specially the QB.

Sashi and the analytics were responsible for the non football part, what failed was the football part, and then you fire the other guys...

I actually believe we have failed on purpose...clean house and get draft picks is a usual strategy in basketball for example.

All of that does not excuse Hue, he has 2,5 seasons here and has failed to show anything special. The problem were never the non-football guys, the problem is that our football guys sucked bad.

Scouts, coaches, and most of the football personnel were bad, only excuse is if we tanked on purpose...

there is a reason we have 60% roster turnover. Sashi made some well, crap picks.

Todd Haley on if he had problem with Hue Jackson's comments about wanting to dive into the offense. "No, not at all. ... We're all on the same page. Nothing has changed. ... As I've said before, I don't care where a good idea comes from."

https://twitter.com/ByNateUlrich/status/1055520109295517697

Eo, here is my thought

Haley or Hue if your Dorsey ...

Its Haley all day long IMO.

Well THAT'S not gonna sell newspapers. I wonder if they mentioned that Hue called his sister a skank?

Back to the drawing board...

Whats he supposed to say....nah my boss is a crank and should have been fired?

Haley gave a professional answer on a topic and question he was asked. A professional answer doesn't have to be the truth, or how he actually feels.

Hue should take note on how to answer questions from the media from his Subordinates. He should also learn how to coach form them, learn how to run a weekly prep from them, and learn how to prepare a team from them.......

hmm, seems like he needs to learn a lot from them.

Here are some examples:









We could probably be running more though, Haley ran a ton in Pittsburgh.

I was shocked at Hues comments.

You say those things man to man, back in the office behind a closed door. Not in a open forum like a press conference.

I don't care who you are, you can't disagree with that.

I feel bad for Hue. He knows he's done, so he's clawing to anything and everything he can to keep the job. He knows that if he loses this gig, he won't get another. Age and resume will dictate that.

Now the offensive players are saying that a overhaul or major changes don't need to be be made. Hue's QB is more or less saying we should have taken points at the end of the half last week.

I see the offensive guys lining up behind Haley. That's how it looks to me....JMO mind you. A few of you may differ, all's cool.

The defensive guys work for Williams. He has their attention. Hue is afraid of Greg Williams.


IMO Hue is afraid of both of his coordinators because he fears they are both better then he, thus we keep hearing comments from Hue stating that HE is the head coach.....



Sorry Hue, my wife doesn't follow all of this, but during Hard Knocks my wife told me she thought that Hue was a weak man.

I trust and value her opinion.

From #Browns OC Todd Haley's presser today:

"One thing that I will never be is reactionary."

"Make sure (players) know you believe in them."

"You can't hit the panic button."

"Coaching in the NFL...is not for everyone. It is a high-pressure, high-stress job."

https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1055564634055434241

I was wondering why they didn't let him run more but at least they used to let him to catch the ball. Now he is almost in exile. It's ridiculous.

After Todd Haley's most recent press conference I am totally ready for him to take over the reigns. It is just a matter of time really, I am getting ready for the take over.

So, there is nobody in this setup who can insist that the "gameplan" include Duke's use will be a part of it, and what percentage? Because some of what we have done seems lame and random. Push Duke, or get Duke and Chubb out there together.
This seems like Hue was told to take an OC to return. And now he has to live with the offense chosen. More of what I saw last year is not what I want. Hard to figure out where we were as a team with Kizer and others.

Just want sensible improvement. I do not care who wins us games; I already went through a couple of years when i was not supposed to care who lost us games. Swell guys gotta win too to stay and remain in charge.

Looking at the performance of our rush offense, and that we had chances to win almost all games we were in, I would say we have been doing pretty good on the O department.

I would say Haley IMHO has been doing good this far,probably the only one who knows what he is doing in the coaching staff,if you want my opinion.

Yep - because I am sure things like keeping the Saints high powered offense to their lowest total in their games this year and leading the NFL in take aways happened by accident.

Deshaun Watson, 16 for 20, 239 yards, 5 td's last night.

I'd say , this is close to a perfect game, for a QB, and more than first glance.

16/20 = only 4 passes incomplete, that's pretty spot on.

only 20 passes attempted,

In spite of whatever folks want to believe, Qb's who throw fewer, more accurate passes are more potent than ones which throw endless passes, and it works out for wins week after week.

239 yards, there's evidence of winners throwing for yardgages in the 200-299 range, and losers throwing in the 300-399 range in NFL games, week after week, going way back to the 1990's.

5 touchdowns, Most times a 3 td day is good, 5 is more.

If ^ that's close to a perfect game.

Are the Browns throwing too many pass attempts per game over the last 3 years?

Change could be coming aimed at fixing Browns' dysfunction

By Ian Rapoport
NFL Network Insider
Published: Oct. 28, 2018 at 06:58 a.m

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...wns-dysfunction


As the losses mount in Cleveland, so does the frustration. Three defeats in their last four games, coupled with a curious public debate surrounding the offense, has put the Browns in a similar and maddening position.

If it's not resolved, change will come with hopes of fixing the dysfunction that has mostly manifested itself on offense, sources say.

For several weeks, it's been clear that coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley have not been on the same page. Several people in the organization have battled to help them work together, but it has not improved.


If this continues, and the disconnect is not reconciled, a move will likely be made.

The spotlight is usually on the head coach, especially one with a current Browns record of 3-35-1. And clearly, if the wins don't come, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, general manager John Dorsey and the brain trust have a decision to make on Jackson.

But another option is to remove Haley. That would also be under consideration. Those involved have wondered when Jackson speaks, does Haley listen? Jackson has a woeful record, but is still in charge.

No. 1 pick Baker Mayfield has been brilliant at times, but like any rookie, he's been up and down. So has the offense, despite an influx of talent.

This week, the working relationship between Haley and Jackson was in the news.

Jackson first mentioned that he may become more involved with the offense because, "I'm not going to continue to watch something that I know how to do keep being that way." This came after a second half against the Buccaneers that was Cleveland's best of the season, after a slow start.

The angst has been about the offense not looking how Jackson wants it to look.

Jackson later said he wouldn't take away play-calling, and Haley responded by saying, "One thing that I will never be is reactionary. I am here for one purpose, and that is to help this offense, continue to grow this offense and continue to develop this offense. We are all on the same page. Nothing has changed."

If the two cannot work together, however, change may, in fact, be the result in a critical decision for those in charge.

Follow Ian Rapoport on Twitter @RapSh

Hue Jackson's comments rankled his staff and players, as well as the Browns front office

Jackson's words put his future in Cleveland under increased scrutiny

Jason La Canfora

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/hue-j...s-front-office/

Browns head coach Hue Jackson's hints at potentially taking over play-calling duties following last week's loss – which he later sought to walk-back or clarify – were met with sweeping internal derision from players, staff and management, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, further undermining his tenuous relationships in Cleveland.

Jackson's remarks flabbergasted and confounded those he works with and confused many in the locker room after rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield had just rallied the team from a 16-2 halftime deficit to send the game into overtime. It was Jackson's own inability to develop a quarterback or kickstart the offense that led to the hiring of former Chiefs head coach Todd Haley as offensive coordinator in the offseason, and the Browns are averaging a touchdown more per game than they did a year ago.

Jackson has defied the odds by remaining with the Browns despite a 1-31 record in his first two seasons and has enjoyed unprecedented support and loyalty from Jimmy and Dee Haslam as owners. However, there is open discussion within that organization below the ownership level about whether or not Jackson is fit for the job, and whether or not the future of Mayfield should be entrusted to him. Jackson's remarks on Sunday further alienated him from his staff, according to numerous sources with knowledge of the situation, and he has rankled others by repeatedly allowing players to show up late or not adhere to the team's dress code when traveling with little repercussions. A lack of discipline is considered part of the losing culture there.

Jackson has displayed a propensity to obsess over the comments of other coaches and staff to the media, sources said, parsing out words to determine whether or not he is being given sufficient credit for the team's progress. Sunday's outburst won't be quickly forgotten and deepens his fight for respect with those he works with, the sources said.

General manager John Dorsey accepted that job last year with the stipulation that Jackson remain the head coach for the 2018 season, but with Dorsey in place and Mayfield flashing big-time potential, the Browns would be able to compete for the best and brightest head coaching candidates in 2019, something that has not been the case there under the Haslams to this point. Many of Dorsey's peers advised him about their reservations about Jackson prior to him taking the job, league sources said, and Jackson's remarks on Sunday left rival coaches and executives scratching their heads yet again.

Huh! I feel like we were told everything was unicorns and rainbows.

Firing either Hue Jackson or Todd Haley in mid-season is stupid so long as the team hasn't quit outright.

And while I think Hue Jackson is a below average head coach, I'm not sure Hue should be fired at season's end.

Hue Should NOT Be Fired IF....

• If those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, hire the new coach. Why swap out one NFL coaching mediocrity for yet another mediocrity? The Haslams have not a clue what constitutes coaching greatness and thus can't find and hire a great coach. They hire only the usual recycled mediocrities.
• If the new coach reports directly to those calamitous imbeciles, the Haslams, instead of John Dorsey. Why plug a new coach into the same old dysfunctional management structure guaranteed to produce yet more, typical Browns bureaucratic infighting?
• If John Dorsey can not find a great coach. While recycling mediocre coaches is a well entrenched and respected GM pastime in the NFL, the Browns should ONLY seek greatness in the next head coach. If no great coach is available - only the usual suspect regurgitations - the Browns may as well keep Hue for the sake of stability.

If any of these conditions apply at season's end, it is better to keep Hue the Mediocrity around than to trash the entire system yet again, only to be replaced by the same crap management structure and the same crap head coach wannabes.

The Haslams, not Hue Jackson, are the direct cause of most Browns suckage. Scapegoating Hue brings temporary emotional relief but does nothing to solve the deeper cause of Browns woes.

P.S. That Ian Rappport article talks about firing Todd Haley, not Hue. Looks like Hue, that bureaucratic backstabbing knife fighter extraordinaire, is in fine form early this season with leaks like that popping up in the national media. Last year, Hue threw his players and the front office under the bus to save himself. This year he is backstabbing his own coaching staff to save himself. This sort of vile behavior impresses fools like the Haslams.

Ya gotta hand it to Hue. He can't coach much but he is a survivor.

If Hue goes who would be the interim? Williams or Haley? Or would it be somebody else altogether? I don't want any coaches fired before the season ends myself, but it could happen after this game from the sounds of it.

I despise Lacanfora, he makes crap up to make bad Browns news even worse....with his usual unnamed sources supplying the dirt, and himself twisting words to suit his agenda. Just like anything else he writes about the Browns, this article probably isn't worth reading.

They LIED to us! It's just the same ole Browns!

No wonder why the players enjoy playing for him!

It's like the same thing over and over again .. coach to be fired after PITT

A name to watch....John DeFilippo (and yes, I know).

These guys couldn’t just make it through one season without petty before being fired?

In all seriousness, this organization just can’t grt its crap together. We have a #1 draft pick QB and we are putting him through this crap in his rookie season. Way to set him up for success Hassan family.

It was always necessary to fire the coaching staff in the off-season to avoid this exact situation. With a new GM being brought in these guys’ jobs were always going to be at risk. People, especially people who are in over their head, panic under stress. This was all so predictable, we couldn’t have just fired the coach that won one game in two years to avoid it?

This year? Jackson’s already been through an entire offensive staff and an entire defensive staff. Remember Ray Horton?

I noticed this week the Browns all wore the same thing when travelling. Just a Browns tracksuit with the Browns logo.

Interesting, because I know several players have openly plugged their arrival-to-the-stadium sponsorship deals with high-end fashion outlets.

Hopefully this can all be resolved. A win against Pittsburgh, on their own turf, will go a long way towards dousing the flames of change.

I'm just so damn sick of firing everyone. Still breaks my heart when Joe Thomas speaks about the pain of learning a new offense every other year.

A couple of wins will change that. Hopefully.

Heh. Too true. Too true.

Over the past three seasons there has been a LOT of turnover on Hue's coaching staff.

A coach that engineered the Browns to one of the worst record in football is taking over the playcalling ......YIKES !!!!

It literally feels like i'm living in a Twilight Zone / Groundhog's Day sport world with the Browns

Rappaport creating news again. I hate that guy.

Funny, to hear the coaches tell it, all the drama is nothing more that a bunch of $#!% stirring from the media to sell stories. Reporters don't even need sources any more. They can just say they have one. Who's going to call them on it? Garbage swilling controversy mongers? Not bloody likely.

If Dorsey and/or Haslam wanted it to stop .. they'd just do a 30 second statement IMO

Browns OC Todd Haley could be fired soon if the offensive dysfunction continues, per report
Updated 12:06 PM; Posted 11:15 AM



By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com mcabot@cleveland.com
PITTSBURGH — Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley could be fired soon if the offensive woes and dysfunction don’t get resolved soon, according to a report by NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport.

The issues between coach Hue Jackson and Haley, the former Steelers coordinator, took a turn for the worse after last Sunday’s 26-23 overtime loss to the Bucs when Jackson vowed to rescue the ailing offense.

“I feel like I have to (get more involved),’’ Jackson said after the game. “That’s what I know, so I’m not going to continue to watch something that I know how to do keep being that way. That’s just the truth. I mean, that’s nothing against anybody in our building. I just think that’s what I do, and I think I need to be a little bit more involved.’’

When pressed on what that would look like, Jackson didn’t rule out taking back the playcalling for the ailing unit.

On Monday, Jackson walked back those remarks, saying he just wanted to help resuscitate the struggling unit, which hasn’t scored a touchdown in the first quarter all season and has been horrible in overtime.

Haley said he and Jackson were on the same page: 'It's an emotional game'

Todd Haley discusses his relationship with Hue Jackson and returning to Pittsburgh on Sunday.


On Thursday, during Haley’s regularly-scheduled press conference, he attributed Jackson’s remarks to the heat of the moment.

“This is an emotional game. It’s not for everyone," he said. “Coaching in the NFL, especially being in that spot, is not for everyone. It’s a high-pressure, high-stress job, and we’ve just got to keep doing what we know is right.”


But some of those comments didn’t go over well, according to a source, including that this job ‘isn’t for everyone.' As the week went along, Jackson, Haley and the players all said that Jackson wasn’t any more involved in the offense than usual. But that could change after today. Some sources believe the two are destined to part win or lose.

Jason La Canfora reports that Jackson’s postgame remarks rankled players, coaches and front office

The tension between them has been on display since the well-documented disagreement over resting players that was captured by HBO’s Hard Knocks cameras. The next public spat came when Haley started Josh Gordon in the opener against the Steelers despite Jackson repeating numerous times that Gordon would come off the bench because he hadn’t been around like the other receivers.

"It’s a silly question to me,'' Haley said the following week. "We as an offense, the whole starter thing to me is comical because we have so many different personnel packages play in and play out that any one of our 22-25 guys could be starting on any play.

"We're going to continue to play the guys that on each particular play give us the best chance to succeed."

As the season went along, Haley refused to play Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson, despite Jackson repeating that he wanted both to get the ball more frequently. Finally, the Browns traded Carlos Hyde to the Jaguars before last week’s game in Tampa, which forced Haley to play Chubb. However, he still didn’t get Johnson involved much — one carry and four targets.


On Thursday, Haley admitted that the Hyde trade caught him off guard.

“It was a jolt, and normally, I do not talk (to the offense) on Saturday mornings – I pulled them all together to talk about because it had not happened to me having a starter traded midseason like that before,’’ Haley said. “I don’t know if everybody understands just how big of a job it is and how it takes everybody to get something turned around that had not been going well for a long time, and he held up his end of the bargain.’’

It was clear that Haley felt he had the rug pulled out from underneath him with that move.

On Wednesday, Baker Mayfield seemed to support Haley, saying of Jackson’s increased involvement, “we don’t need to reinvent the wheel’’ and “we don’t need to change much.’’

Jackson also indicated on Friday that he wanted more action for receiver Antonio Callaway.

It’s clear that Jackson and Haley have been at odds for awhile. Jackson said Monday that he hired Haley and that it wasn’t mandated by owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam. But he made it clear after the game last week that he wasn’t going to sit back and watch the offense go south.

The unit is tied for 23rd in points scored despite the defense leading the league with 20 takeaways. It’s 29th or worse in several key categories, and Mayfield is 29th in passer rating.


Win or lose in Pittsburgh, the disconnect could come to a head.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/10...per-report.html

This is so dumb. We have a rookie QB making rookie mistakes. Add to that 2 games lost to refs. Add to that just some plain old fashioned Cleveland bad luck (kicks, fumble on 4th etc).
We gotta stay the course! When you are consistent good things can happe .

Hue's putting on a full court press to the media

How many coaches need to be fired before people realize it's not the assistants' fault?