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I didn't want Hue fired after the start of the year but man this team has quit. They aren't improving and Hue looked defeated 2 mins into the game. Just rip the bandaide off and get it over with.
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I didn't want Hue fired after the start of the year but man this team has quit. They aren't improving and Hue looked defeated 2 mins into the game. Just rip the bandaide off and get it over with. Jimmy Haslam is in charge. The opposite of what should happen will happen.
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He has to go. I’m tired of seeing this.
We can’t finish games, have 2 blowouts on the season already.
This is the stat that bothers me the most: our defense is the top ranked defense in the league in turnovers.
Our offense is worse in the league in points off of turnovers.
It’s beyond pathetic.
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how can the homers say theirs improvement when the Browns are still in last place in the AFC North and will finish there?
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Who takes over if he's fired?
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Hate to say it but he's seemed to have lost them. Maybe just not HC material. It happens.
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Who takes over if he's fired? It can't be Haley. The offense has been too bad. It can't be Williams, he literally set up a bounty system to hurt opposing players. I'd make it Dewayne Walker. Former head coach in college.
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Giving rookies whose heads are already spinning more change will help how?
I get the frustration, I just don't see the move helping.
Pare down the playbook and get good at something that's already in place.
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Giving rookies whose heads are already spinning more change will help how? What's changing? Hue just sits at his desk and texts Silver and MKC all day anyway. Just give Moose his office and no one will know the difference.
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shhhhhh, guys will just say you are a "hater". Hes a leader! A motivator of men! SMH
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They don't need a pal but rather a boot in the arse.
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Giving rookies whose heads are already spinning more change will help how? What's changing? Hue just sits at his desk and texts Silver and MKC all day anyway. Just give Moose his office and no one will know the difference. I can't picture Hue texting. He wouldn't hear his own voice. We've stayed the course this long. Seeing it to the end of the season seems the best of a bunch of unpleasant options. Get more reps, see what happens.
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Unfortunately, I agree. Nothing will be gained from moving on, which is why I've always preferred to keep Hue through the season. However, now, there is something to be lost. We can lose games with no hope of victory, and get our future QB murdered, or we can lose games with little hope of victory, and protect our future QB.
Sadly, I'm not seeing the scheme from Haley that would make me want to keep him at OC. If our pass pro is complete garbage (it is), we should be running between the tackles most of the time, and only occasionally throwing quick timing routes and screens.
My proposal is to promote Haley, but give Kitchens or Zampese the OC duties. Again, not that this is a solution. Simply a means of stemming the bleeding.
I hate change. I hate it. But I don't see any way that the 2019 season begins with any of our top 3 coaches in place.
Browns fans are born with it...
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We've stayed the course this long. Seeing it to the end of the season seems the best of a bunch of unpleasant options. Get more reps, see what happens. The head coach is encouraging bad habits. It's a gots to go situation.
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I hate change. I hate it. But I don't see any way that the 2019 season begins with any of our top 3 coaches in place.
I don't see it now. We definitely won't see it if we change things this week. I'd wait at least till the bye. And try to hold out for the season.
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time.
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I'd wait at least till the bye. And try to hold out for the season. For what reason? "You're doing such a bad job that we're gonna let you stick around a few more weeks."
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I'd wait at least till the bye. And try to hold out for the season. For what reason? "You're doing such a bad job that we're gonna let you stick around a few more weeks." Agreed. Wait for what? There is no reason to wait, I'd fire him tonight. Its not like he's going to improve, all of sudden change. We know what Hue Jackson is.
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I want Hue fired immediately before he does any additional damage to Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is all I care about at this point in time. I agree. Mayfield should be the entire focus.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'm for firing Haley before Hue at this point in the season. After the season, it wouldn't bother me at all if he is canned.
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We've stayed the course this long. Seeing it to the end of the season seems the best of a bunch of unpleasant options. Get more reps, see what happens. The head coach is encouraging bad habits. It's a gots to go situation. I don't see Haley or Williams magically fixing things. They're just as culpable for the "bad habits" of their respective units. The options I like are busy coaching other teams. That won't change til the season is over. Those options are likely to have a rough transition period, too, whenever that time comes.
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Hue should never have been brought back. Haslam botched that decision, unsurprisingly.
The team is regressing each week and playing completely uninspired.
Tension amongst the coaches is infecting the team.
I'm not sure they will win another game this year.
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... give.. Zampese the OC duties. Again, not that this is a solution. Simply a means of stemming the bleeding.
At this point (and I'm assuming we keep Haley), I don't see any other direction to go...
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did I miss anything? Yes, you did. You missed the biggest one of all. The Haslams stink. They are the root cause of all the stench.
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We've stayed the course this long. Seeing it to the end of the season seems the best of a bunch of unpleasant options. Get more reps, see what happens. The head coach is encouraging bad habits. It's a gots to go situation. I don't see Haley or Williams magically fixing things. They're just as culpable for the "bad habits" of their respective units. Jimmy Haslam is in charge. If he doesn't do something, then people will know that there is no accountability. Those options are likely to have a rough transition period, too, whenever that time comes. Likely? As others have noted the past several days, quick turnarounds are not unusual and many have occurred recently.
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Hue should never have been brought back. Haslam botched that decision unsurprisingly. Double bingo.
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Those options are likely to have a rough transition period, too, whenever that time comes. Likely? As others have noted the past several days, quick turnarounds are not unusual and many have occurred recently. Hopefully a shorter rough period. But it's much easier to get through it during an offseason. It doesn't help that our rookies weren't supposed to get forced into action during the offseason, so we spent most of that time getting Tyrod and Josh Gordon and Hyde and Higgins ready.
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Why is it any more time to go "this week" vs last offseason or after 2016?
If it's true he had a 6 year contract, maybe the ownership wants him to see it through for the entirety of his contract.
Only ownership can fire the coach, I believe, not the fans or the media.
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Hue Jackson is 11-44-1 (.205) as an NFL head coach: 8-8 in Oakland, 3-36-1 in Cleveland. Of the 219 coaches in NFL history who coached at least 40 games, Jackson ranks 218th in career winning percentage. Only Bert Bell, who couldn't be fired because he owned the team, was worse. https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/1056648871626137600
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Tyrod and Josh Gordon and Hyde Sounds like a time wasted.... But i thought the FO and Coaching staff were on the same page......
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But it's much easier to get through it during an offseason. The Rams fired Jeff Fisher mid-season. Just get the poison out of the system before it spreads any further. It doesn't help that our rookies weren't supposed to get forced into action during the offseason, so we spent most of that time getting Tyrod and Josh Gordon and Hyde and Higgins ready. It's almost like they should have been getting first team reps all along. . .
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2 things to me:
1. We've gotten worse 2. We didn't play as hard today
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I'd at least wait until years end....its not like we are in the running for the sb....
I'm wondering how things will look once we get some guys back...Higgins, Shobert, maybe Mitchell at seasons end....
Personally, I'd give him another year....its not like we are going places without him....get more pieces and look for progress....
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