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The only reason anyone would label you a hater of Baker is because you're overly critical of him. I think you called his play in the Chargers game horrific. Gross overstatement. Kid had like more than 5 plus level throws. He wasn't perfect and made his share of mistakes, but "horrific" is really extreme and out of context considering he was starting his third ever game. It's that type of embellishment that gets people labeled.

Back to the topic. In an ideal world we start winning some games and get to maintain continuity. I think I think that's best for team growth. I'm undecided on Hue. A win tomorrow will go a long way in helping keep everyone in place. A blowout will be hard to stomach.

One other thing I think I think. I think it's important in sports to strike when the iron is hot so to speak. I think there should be a natural progression and teams should grow the longer they stay and play together. But I don't think that guarantees anything. It doesn't mean in three years you'll magically be playing in the playoffs because everything the team is doing is relative to the rest of the league. The rest of the league isn't standing by waiting for the dregs of the league to get better. You have to find a way to start winning some games for confidence and momentum. Confidence and momentum just can't be underestimated in contributing to wins and losses.

The Browns simply can't go 2-13-1 the rest of the way, then rest on this notion that they are growing and developing even if they are competitive in every game. They need to start winning some games. Tomorrow would be a great start. I was impressed with the collective press conferences of Hue, Haley, and Baker this week. Considering all the stuff that came out after last week's loss, they played it off well. If the team and coaches can block out the noise and start stringing together some wins that would best for "team growth".

Question for all you sardonic wits: Which of you were sure we were going into Heinz field today and beat the Steelers raise your hands? This team needs a few all out ass kickings just as much as they need the experience playing teams like the Steelers, winning close games against the Ravens, and closing close games against the Bucs. Today they were outmatched, outclassed, and outmanned. The loss stinks, from it should come growth. It should also serve to show that we are still woefully shy of talent, and woefully young and inexperienced. If you think about it, it's actually more shocking how poorly the Steelers played against us the first time, and during the 1st quarter. They're seasoned and stacked with talent. They should've won. There's growth here.

Question for all you sardonic wits: Which of you were sure we were going into Heinz field today and beat the Steelers raise your hands? This team needs a few all out ass kickings just as much as they need the experience playing teams like the Steelers, winning close games against the Ravens, and closing close games against the Bucs. Today they were outmatched, outclassed, and outmanned. The loss stinks, from it should come growth. It should also serve to show that we are still woefully shy of talent, and woefully young and inexperienced. If you think about it, it's actually more shocking how poorly the Steelers played against us the first time, and during the 1st quarter. They're seasoned and stacked with talent. They should've won. There's growth here.

Talk of firing him is nonsense? Have you seen Hue Jackson's record?

cal, you just hit on the source of our incompetence. that team is “loaded with talent” and we are not. Yet I would bet that in the past ten years we have drafted, on average, 20-25 spots higher than them. We should be the team loaded with talent and we are not. We have sunk a ton of dough into an offensive line that was a sieve today. I just do not know if we are ever going to be a regular playoff contender.

I get the frustration, but you can't hold all the previous draft busts against the current administration, and losing Joe T this year was a huge blow. Had he not been injured last year he may have given us another year or two to prepare for his departure, but that didn't happen and asking Dorsey to fix all the holes at once this year is asking the impossible. I imagine WR, OL, LB & CB will be top priorities this year.

Hmmm......
The scientific method would seem applicable here:
Constant - Hue
Variable - players
Result - well, you know.

It's ridiculous to think the 2026 & 2017 teams were capable of winning anything. Or to trot out Hue's record for those two seasons as a reason to fire him, but you, many others, and the media will hang your hats on that. So there's no reasoning with that. You believe you're right. So be it. I believe you're wrong. I think this season will be rough with ups and downs. I believe next year will be better, and the year after that better yet. I just hope I get to see it without blowing it up and without having to reset the clock. I do see growth in losing. You have your take, I have mine. I can live with that.

lol, no one in this discussion is proving anything. It's all opinion. The only thing that will prove anything is time. You want to be proven right, give the man time and talent. If he fails, you're right. I'll throw you a party.

People are ignoring that Sashi completely dismantled the team and we has almost zero talent on the team the first two years. Constant losing has long-term effects.

I made countless posts about how hard it was going to be to overcome such epic losing. The same guys who loved Sashi are the same guys blaming Hue for all the losing.

We have a new GM now in Dorsey. He is improving the talent. The team is young and inexperienced. They don't know how to win yet.

While discussing the team on Diam's Optimism thread, I tried to warn people of unrealistic expectations. The fallout can get ugly. And it's ugly right now.

Of course, there are posters who were going to complain no matter what, but now others are actually believing the crap they spew.

You're leaving out an ass load of other variables. Age, experience, the other teams, refs, and so on. But I think you know that.

Yeah, it's to the point where I watch a game and I am thinking about how certain people will use this or that to simply bash the Browns and Hue. Those posters have taken the fun out of a season that I think has shown growth.

The sad thing is their biased negativity is adversely affecting the team. It sucks listening to negative comments day in and day out when you are busting your ass. I played and coached. Believe me, I know all about it.

Holding up Hue's record his first two as a reason to fire him is low hanging fruit and I expect the media and most fans to grab it with both hands. Nature of the beast. Hell, I even understand it. It's just that I've been watching football a long, long time, and I see good things here, for the first time in a very long time. I see no reason to blow it up, especially over something as silly and meaningless as fan/media impatience.

I want to point out something that at least a few people may remember.

While posters are complaining about our coaching staff in general and Hue in particular, it was the Browns who came out of the gate w/energy and focus.

We completely dominated the Steelers in the first quarter. It could have easily been 21 to 0, but we didn't execute as well as we should have in the red zone.

Some might even remember the Steeler fans were booing their own team. Talk of the team quitting on Hue is nonsense. We were the team who came out playing better. We had way more energy than they did.

We got beat because the Steelers have a better team right now. Changing coaches won't change that.

Talk of the team quitting on Hue is nonsense.

I want to point out something that at least a few people may remember.

While posters are complaining about our coaching staff in general and Hue in particular, it was the Browns who came out of the gate w/energy and focus.

We completely dominated the Steelers in the first quarter. It could have easily been 21 to 0, but we didn't execute as well as we should have in the red zone.

Some might even remember the Steeler fans were booing their own team. Talk of the team quitting on Hue is nonsense. We were the team who came out playing better. We had way more energy than they did.

We got beat because the Steelers have a better team right now. Changing coaches won't change that.