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Hue Jackson interview with MKC 11/1/18:

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/er...with-hue-j.html

Wasn't this already posted in the prior thread?

This whole thread will be an echo of the last one.

They refuse to stop piling on. The other thread was locked before most are, probably because I proved some were talking out their butt...........so, let's lock it and start a new one where we can all bash Hue...............even though he is gone.

I'm serious when I say this...........there are some very shady characters on this board.

Good night.

Our head coach was just fired. There will definitely be more news to come out within the next several days. The article I posted is just the most recent news and many haven't commented on it.

J/C

That interview was "out there"

Felt that he was auditioning for future roles - i guess thats why he is distancing himself from the train wreck where he played a part (and he absolutely did). He was in full damage control and everybody copped it.

Seemed like a nice guy, but he clearly has accountability and revisionist history issues. "I get it....thats on me".

Thing is, i don't think he did get it....or accept truly that it was on him. Those soundbites are like when a toddler says "sorry" but don't know what they are apologizing for. Thats why you see all these independent 'no dog in this race' media types dog piling him as a lot of what he said was completely spurious. The Wentz thing....just wow. The Offense being better under him with worse players was also debunked.

Man i was pulling for this guy this year but we saw something we hadn't in his first 2 years....the team roll over. That was probably the beginning of his end.

Be interested to see what role he lands in professional football after this debacle. You have to think that at a minimum teams would hold him to account for his record and some of his behaviours in all this mess even if he doesn't hold himself at all responsible for it.

Looking forward to Haleys riposte. LOL

Onward. Next Coach up!

I agree, you bring up some good points.

Just to play devil's advocate, I can see why Hue might feel slighted and distance himself.

He never really had a team to try to win with.

I mean, we beat the Steelers (wk 1) and the Raiders minus the refs.

We beat the Saints minus the kicker (which is on Dorsey to get a kicker that can make kicks not hue).

So those are clearly just bad Cleveland style luck. I mean, if he's 4-4 at this point even with the loss to the Steelers (which would look less bad without 2 missed kicks), there's no way he's fired.

Then on top of that, I'm not sure who you blame for the rest of the failures. Like are dropped passes the coaches' fault or the GM for not getting WRs that don't drop the ball?

Our stop-gap QB Tyrod was atrocious so we had to throw Baker to the wolves which was never Hue's plan (nor should it have been).

our GM traded Gordon away, and even though that was probably a lost cause, in which case, he sould've been moved during the offseason, again, not Hue's fault.

Then Higgins gets hurt, Willies steps in an makes plays and in true Browns fashion, breaks his collarbone in practice!

I mean, this stuff would derail any coach. I know people say these kinds of things happen to every team, but they really don't, not like they do in Cleveland.

I want to say, I HATED Hue as a coach years 1-2. His clock management was terrible and play calling head scratching at times, but this year he seemed much improved.

The team really fell apart around him.

Kinda reminds me of a Jeff Fisher situation, where even though Fisher wasn't AWFUL, it was also clear he wasn't the guy to take you to a SB.

Hue was pretty much the necessary fall guy for a proper rebuild.

I can agree with what you say.

If that's all it is, then Hue should still be here.

My main concern is the report of him and Haley trying to undermine each other and the childish bs around that.

If the coaching staff was toxic/dysfunctional.

Because if that's the case then you have to make change happen.

I'm learning a lot about excuse making watching Hue's publicity tour. This fool is just hurting whatever of a reputation he had.

Mad respect for Sashi cutting the phone lines while Hue ranted how he could lead the browns to a super bowl with mccarron and doing it his way.

Sashi died so we can live.

In reading the interview, I thought Hue conducted himself well.

j/c:


DMS= Twitter direct messages that are not public.

I don't know about any of that.

I do know that while he was here is was OK to voice an opinion on why he should not be coach. I did on many occasions.

Now that he is gone I see no real purpose to discuss him much unless the purpose is to pile on him or the posters who liked him as head coach.

But hey, that's JMO.

Also, Hue will be doing the ESPN carwash today ... sports center, first take, etc.

There is plenty of reason to keep discussing him. If you don't want to, fine by me.

probably to Cinci. Wouldn't surprise me. A second thread for more of the same? Just seems odd to me.

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Yup. And at the press conference, it didn't sound like that was going to change.

Apparently the same story coming from so many different people isn't enough sometimes.

Hue is obviously dishonest to some extent. How much so is hard to tell, but he isn't right about everything, which apparently he is trying to convey. It's obvious to me why he was fired after week 8 and not at the bye or end of season.

J/C

I don't know if I ever recall a HC being fired and then giving an interview about it. . . . that's kinda just Hue. Always about him.

He was classy in the interview for thanking the fans and saying he wanted to win and was sorry he couldn't do that. I believe him there. I believe he wanted to win. Who doesn't? I just don't think he knew how to.

I think he is trying to save face, and tried to play a victim a little bit as well, as he does often. "discord" was not a harsh word when you tried to get your OC fired or at least take away his responsibilities.

JMO

of course you do, Hue. Everyone loves flea flickers from the end zone.



Of course absolutely nothing was your fault. You didn't decide to change the line the Friday before opening day. You didn't decide that Baker was not going to get ANY reps, and you didn't decide that Baker was better than TT and insisted TT play no matter what. . . .

Yes, the entire league and fanbase.

That's just false.

Usually the HC coaches the whole team. Maybe you should have stepped down as HC and remained as OC if that's what you wanted.

Sure you did Hue.

Gregg was already on the staff.

ahhhhh, once again, tell the world your position Hue! lol. I think you should have said "as a former head coach" pal.

I don't think you ever did.


None of which have been a succesfull head coach as of yet. Some guys are just better OC/DC. Its not a knock on them. Just the way it is.

I highly doubt that, based on the play calls you had last year - and the way your team ended and turned out in OAK.

Ahhhh, so if we start winning, it was because of the work YOU did. Gotcha. I see how that works out for you.

I don't think that's an endorsement, Hue....

I wonder if Haley will speak soon?

Just a general reply to a few things.

Hue loved goff and rightly so. he liked wentz but saw him as a mid first talent, flacco type. He also loved mahomes but the browns couldn't be quiet and word leaked chiefs n Dorsey jumped us. This is why Dorsey was very demanding of everyone to b3 draft silent.

Hue was right Sashi buthcherd a fantastic ol for no reason. He took a 3rd round receiver at 15 overall. I had a 2nd on Higgins late 3rd o, coleman.

Hue did help get Dorsey here, hell he stayed with hue while he was I,terviewing.

Haley was a total ass because he thought hue was tryi,g to play up to the camera. Doesn't matter, Hue was the coach. Not a fan of hue but Haley was wrong.

It didn't work for hue, I am glad he is gone but I wish him the best.

I feel Haslam needs to go but this isn't going to happen. He has done only one smart thing since he has become owner and that was to hire Dorsey.
I was excited when he hired Hue but quickly became skeptical after watching and listening to Hue.
Hue was in over his head as a head coach as was Sashi as a GM. The hiring of John Dorsey is the best thing to happen to the Browns since their return in 1999.
Even Haslam is not dumb enough to fire Dorsey.
My concern is if Haslam refuses to let Dorsey hire the next coach, a coach that will answer to Dorsey instead of Haslam, Dorsey may resign as GM.
Hue's firing was way over due. His record alone proves this.
I hope Haslam can learn from his mistakes and let Dorsey run the Browns.

Come on man the Raiders have thrown in the towel since we played them

Gruden should learn from Hue, the best way to keep your job is to blame it on the lack of talent.

He just has to put it all on Reggie McKenzie, and he will be safe.

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I think Hue has an account on here.

j/c:

Who’s idea was it to put Hue in front of a camera so soon after being fired?

Hues. He is a good man and you can tell, but he is absolutely an egomaniac

12, just so I am clear. When hue was hired he was considered a hot item. The bengals tried to keep him by offering him hc when Lewis retired. Most fans liked the hiring of chud. Farmer was being chased by more than the browns. Dorsey is considered a good hire. If they do not have success that does not mean they were a bad hire at the time. Hindsight is 20/20. So 12, what did you think of Jackson as a hire 3 years ago??

Hue is just making it more and more obvious that we had to cut ties with the guy.

Bad coach, worse leader - everything is everybody else's fault and he can do no wrong.

I'd be shocked if he ever got a head coaching gig in the NFL again. Come to think of it, most teams probably wouldn't even touch him as an OC although he probably has enough connections to at least get one of those jobs.

I honestly don’t see how anyone could credibly hire him as a coordinator. An head coach with a loose grip on their job has to worry about him undermining them. Last time Hue got fired he went to the Bengals and was a secondary assistant and special teams coach, then running backs coach, and then offensive coordinator. The most likely scenario, in my mind, is that he goes back to the Bengals, but their offense is so successful right now that they can’t make him the offensive coordinator. I’d guess they make him some sort of offensive consultant or something along those lines.

He will get a job at Notre Dame... has the hunchback...

He'll probably be hired as a QB coach or OC at Cincinnati or one of his buddies