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We Do Have A Foundation ...

OFFENSE -

Baker Mayfield - 265 ATT. 159 COMP. 1768 Yards 10 TD's 7 INT'S 81.45 RATING

Nick Chubb - 74 ATT. 403 403 YARDS 5.45 APC 63 LONG 4 TD'S

Jarvis Landry - 55 CATCHES 578 YARDS 10.51 YPC 39 LONG 2 TD'S

David Njoku - 35 CATCHES 350 YARDS 10 YPC 24 LONG 2 TD'S

Duke Johnson - 29 CATCHES 281 YARDS 9.69 YPC 32 long 2 TD's
- 23 ATT. 115 YARDS 5 YPC 23 LONG 0TD's

Antonio Callaway - 24 CATCHES 287 YARDS 11.96 YPC 59 LONG 2 TD's

DEFENSE -

Denzel Ward - 29 TACKLES 11 ASSISTS 0 SACKS 1 FORCED FUMBLE 3 INT'S

Myles Garrett - 22 TACKLES 5 ASSISTS 9 SACKS 3 FORCED FUMBLES 0 INT'S

Damarious Randall 45 TACKLES 5 ASSISTS 0 SACKS 0 FORCED FUMBLES 2 INT'S

Genard Avery - 15 TACKLES 2 ASSISTS 2.5 SACKS 1 FORCED FUMBLE 1 INT'S

Larry Ogunjoby - 21 TACKLES 10 ASSISTS 4 SACKS 0 FORCED FUMBLED 0 INT'S

Joe Schobert - 23 TACKLES 26 ASSISTS 1.5 SACKS 1 FORCED FUMBLE 0 INT'S

j/c:

You geniuses were right. Firing Hue would solve everything.

The local media and many of our fans suck. The owner listens to him. He sucks.

As a result, the Browns always suck!

Y'all never learn.

I cant help but think having Nassib, Shelton, Meder, etc would help

I agree.

There's alot of evidence to suggest we would have won today if Hue was still the HC.

Vers, I can't believe anyone thought firing Hue would turn the team into a winner, but likewise, can you really say he deserved to be kept?
He got 2.5 years and was historically horrible. Every terrible coach has help being terrible, and Hue certainly did. But really, it seems like he had to go, no?

It seems like for us, when injuries hit they just perpetuate

That's because injuries on teams with nothing to play for are usually "more serious".

Nobody said that firing Hue would be the cure all, but it was a step in the right direction.

Nassib Shelton and Meder were bodies that helped orchastrate a 1 and 31 campaign.
what are those 3 doing today??
they werent difference makers by any stretch of the imagination.
Nassib was a bust here. Shelton was a cupcake
and Meder peaked out

The Atlanta Falcons are famous for not really being adept at stopping the run game.

If you run the ball, and run it, and run it, and run it some more, and run the ball again, and run it and run it, you should be able to do some damage to the Falcons.

I say this, knowing nothing about their current team other than, they are

the same old falcons.

Problem is, our D gives up 7 every time

This game was hard to watch. I'm so sick of losing.

Well get used to it until we have multiple more drafts and FA periods.

The rest of the league will stay the same. Only we will improve.

And ends with some really sore feet.

watching good games is like watching a different sport

I've always taken into account the importance of defense in sports. Some casual fans only focus on offensive numbers but defense is half the game.

Well in football, you might say offense is 3/7 of the game, defense is 3/7, and special teams is 1/7, or something along those lines.

I wonder if NFL rule changes shift this. It seems almost prohibitive to have a great NFL defense. How can a defense be as great as the Chiefs offense is? Even great defensive players are restrained in what they can do. Can't touch a receiver after five yards (but offensive tackles can hold every play), can't lead with or into the head, you can't even land on the quarterback with your weight anymore.

What I'm getting at is I'm mulling a sort of philosophical change. Just load up on offense. Build that foundation.. let's say Mayfield is that guy. Interior line is good, we have a couple backs, and the slot receiver.

Now find a pair of offensive tackles, a couple outside recievers, and an all-around tight end (someone who can block and catch reliably.)

Then just outscore everybody. Let's be the first NFL team to score 75 points in a game.

Note: I'm not sure if I'm onto something here or it's just a ridiculous overreaction to one game, or even one season of inflated offensive production.

Just like no one saw it coming when you guys whined and crie every week and put all the blame on Hue each week.

My thing is that firing Hue didn't solve a damn thing. And now we'll have all new coaches and another roster upheaval. It's the same thing over and over and over and the geniuses who belittle me for pointing that out never are able to grasp the reality of the situation.

For someone who complained for weeks about people bringing Hue up too much, you sure have done it a lot.

Nobody thought firing Hue would magically flip the switch. Look at the 'Who Wins' thread.. hardly anybody even pretended like we had a chance. The reality is that the Browns are a flawed team, just went through a major coaching turnover, and were facing arguably the best team in the league. It is what it is.

I loathe to get into the Hue discussion in the postgame thoughts thread because he's not our coach, but I do think firing him was a major positive. However, it will take weeks and months for this to manifest itself. It has been six days... what can you really do with a football team in six days?

agree about the GM and HC. That is crucial-- they have to be on the same page!

The game has shifted so much and I agree Haus ... it's almost dumb to invest too much into a defense. Might as well just pour everything into your offense, score 40 a game ... and have your defense rely on turnovers, and penalties

Yes x100000

This is what the Browns do. The media starts stuff, the fans whine, cry, and stomp their feet until Haslam caves in and fires someone.

A new guy is hired and we have to hear how great he is from the same dudes who will be calling for his scalp w/in a year and half.

The Merry Go Round of Misery is alive and well in Cleveland.

I know of a head coach who’s free......and only the second worst in the history of ever.

Hue had enough time, 3 wins in as many seasons does not constitute keeping your job.

Some of our worst coaches even managed more wins in less time.

This stretch of football was the most embarrassing of our time, I have no problem with moving on. It needed to be done.

Cal, last year we were 7 against the run. Offseason we got rid of Shelton, meder, nassib and Brantley. Shelton started and the rest were serviceable backups. Now our d line plus 90% of the snaps and we are probably bottom 5. Good thing we got rid of the front office dummies and got a really smart guy!!

Why don’t you compare the ypc last year to this year. Who are the backups this year?? Do you really think our starters playing 90 % of the snaps is conducive to being fresh in the fourth quarter?? We are getting killed on the ground plain and simple.

If we were getting blown off the ball up the middle you might have an argument, but we're getting torched on the outside, and off tackle. The problem is scheme and LBs not setting the edge or getting taken out of the play. Lack of and weak tackling also contributes to the problem.

Another problem is having our top 3 corners out, and then you have Schobert and kirksey dinged up, Randall out, our D is ravaged by injury yet, let us pile on them!!

We've been having issues stopping the run particularly on the outside all season. Getting torched in fact. It's not piling on, it's observing what's happening. Collins is lazy, and schematically LBs are getting taken out of the play. I understand why our pass coverage is suffering now, and why we're having issues in the secondary. I also understand we miss Shobert and Kirksey. But we were giving up 20-30 ppg before everyone got hurt. It's a problem.

I thought about doing a similar list. It would have been the same list except I would have to include Higgins. I think he is a solid number 2 receiver. ( we dont have a number one ) He doesn't have the stats being hurt but he is solid.

We have 4 solid pieces that every team needs. QB check, Shutdown Corner check, Running back check, Edge rusher check.

LMFAO

Bone man, what happened to your font color.
Like your classic yellow-orange, not a fan of the pea green

Can we not talk about Hue, because he's no longer relevant.

I could be mean about that, but I won't.

Fair response, I didn't mean to sound as rah-rah as it appeared. Yeah I know we have some holes in our D. Our run defence is atrocious.