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I find that an amazing stat for this offense. And with about 3-4 days prep max?

I would be truly, seriously surprised if that wasn't the first time in a half dozen or more years, actually.

Could be.....Haley wanted him to play and the coach didn't, so he decide to trade him for nothing. He seems to be doing pretty well in N.E. with a head coach who isn't a friend and doesn't take much bunk from players.

It's pretty evident that Josh needed a authoritative figure at the helm and not some glad hander.

Sometimes it can just be that a guy is traded for a low round pick, and it wakes them up. "All those teams reportedly wanted to trade for me, and the most anyone wanted to give for me was a 5th?????" type of revelation.

You realize that he is not telling the truth, right? Hue was the Gordon supporter. Haley wasn't. He just can't let his hate go.

That and the fact that coaches don't trade players. GM's do.

What makes the difference now, they are all 3 gone

Why in God's name are you making that comment to me? Look at this board. The Hue thread. The Gordon thread. The earlier comments in this thread. I am not the one who brought it up.

Let it go!

Do you know that we are scoring 21 points per game in average this year.

That's the most since 2007..


Haley was/is a competent OC, we are going to miss him.

No hate involved....no doubt the coach doesn't trade people, but they put up a fight if they want to keep the guy, thus why I commented as I did.

You two can think what you want. We are a better football team without Hue as head coach.

You and another put your money on Hue and lost. Get over it. He is no longer the coach.....repeat that 3 times, it will help.


It's not my fault you didn't take my advice.

What advice? It seems some think that rubbing things in others faces is somehow a noble act. How odd? Nothing is gained firing coaches mid season. In this case it really doesn't hurt anything either. I made it quite obvious that all I really wanted was to give Hue this season to see what he could do with some talent on the roster. It's obvious that he wasn't really getting the job done. So whether he was kept the rest of the season or not really didn't matter at that point.

But this team isn't "better without him". The W/L column won't be much if any different for the rest of the season without him. In case you missed it, we lost by 16 points last week. Hue could have done that.



All this bluster doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. Hue doesn't trade or cut players. The GM does. So take the L and move on.

No L to take here. You got the L.

Why are people ganging on Haley ability?

We were/are scoring 21 points on average per game, the most since 2007.

We finally have a rushing offense, and can run the ball.

Haley was/is a good OC.

Were we scoring more points because of Haley? or because we have more talent on offense?

Haley had the tools. He just seemed to have had another agenda he was working. It didn't work...

21 points is nothing. We score less points per game than the 49ers who seem to be all coaching, because I have no idea what a Breida or a Mullen is.

Have you been paying attention to how many points we ave been scoring in average on the last decade?

21 is not good, 21 is GREAT.

And its not just scoring, we actually had offense game plans that made sense, but that's just my opinion.

I actually think Haley made our running game work. Don't think Cromwell was that of a drop off when compared to Hyde or Chubb...

I also saw a logic/strategy in our O, something I haven't seen for years.

I'm not a big fan of running game nor the WCO, but comparing to what we have seen in years here in Cleveland, it was refreshing.

Wish I could say the same thing about our D...

Actually, other than the QB position, I'd say our overall offensive talent is not much better if at all.

How the heck can Hue get any credit for anything.... He was the most idiotic OC we have ever had, and most probably the worst HC and OC in the NFL history.

I'm amazed...

21.1 in 2018 - Haley
14.6 in 2017 - Hue
16.5 in 2016 - Hue
17.4 in 2015 - John DeFilippo
18.7 in 2014 - Kyle Shanahan
19.2 in 2013 - Norv Turner

Do you want to check how many points more Haley's offense scored compared to Hue

2017: Hue - 14.6 Haley - 26.4
2016: Hue - 16.5 Haley - 24.4

It should be absolutely clear to all that the problem was never Haley, and comparing him to Hue is ridiculous to say the least.

we allow 27,4 points per game 5th worst in the league, and the only one in the top 5 that does not have a powerful offense.

We are the worst 10th team scoring. All said and done, we have a much better O than the D, and people are still blaming the OC.


Its because of people thinking like that, that we never move out of the cellar.

We got rid of a competent OC just because the new toy wasn't shinning enough...

Yeah, you have no idea what was said behind the scenes so you just made crap up. Dorsey decides who is cut and who is kept. And you think you had a point there? lmao

Historically, being a great Browns team means you win 6 games. I don't want to be great... for the Browns, I want to be great. Haley is just an ill tempered Pat Schurmur.

CHS,

Thank you. You said it much more clearly and succinctly than I would have.

I expect Hall if Fame as well.

1 friggin game that we lost... get real. Smh.

Maybe get real a little on both sides. I do think he did a good job and he seems to have the personality for the job.

I wish there was a way to keep him on the staff next year.

Freddie ran the offense that I would have run with baker n the players available. I love the freedom and aggression greg Williams and Freddie are bringing. I truly want these guys to succeed.

I know the chiefs lack the great defense but I saw baker and the O do some really good things. Ball spreading around, bootlegs, slants screens keeping a defense honest.

This team has talent and if the d was healthy last week, I think we have a legit shot to beat the chiefs. Lets win some games and let things play out.

oh, man... I had forgotten about Mo Carthon.

::shudders::

So you are basing your conclusion of the game vs the Jets, and Baker's performance on it.

You know that the turnaround had more to do with the Jets D thinking they had won the game and not being prepared for any other QB but TT, right?


Also is clear the Baker is actually an hindrance with his lack of accuracy outside the pocket, than he is a plus to the offense within the pocket.

We are scoring 21 point a game because Haley changed the O philosophy to a run Offense first, which actually shows some intelligence when you are playing with a rookie QB.

Its also very refreshing to see a O with a coherent game plan on most of the games, only problem is that we have a loose gun running the D. If only we had a competent HC and the O and the D were in the same page, we could be doing what the Bills did last year.

Comparing Hue ability to Haley has a OC, is absurd, its an aberration. Not that I like Haley particularly, but he was a competent OC.

Hue is the worst coach and OC in the NFL history, that says it all. 66% pass plays called with one of the worst pass Offenses I have seen.

Its also strange reading this from you Eo, because you were defending TT was the reason the Bills success last year...

Judging from EO's reaction, I'm almost sure that we are now entering the new Tim Couch era.

Where most of the posters here will blame all but the QB just justify their position, even getting rid of the proven competent guys.

ANYONE remember about how many boot legs we ran?...

I know we ran one real early ... 2nd or 3rd play from scrimmage ... don’t remember any after that .. sure there was more just wasn’t paying attention ...

Can anyone help me out here? ...

Gracias ...

I want to say there was 3 maybe a 4th?

Ty sir ...

So about one a quarter sound right dawgs? ...

Anybody remember a little thing went around, I think it was called "The Mo Carthon Playbook"? That crayon looking stuff was brutal. He was awfully awful. I liked most of Kitchen's game last week.

pretty much signifies your qualifications in this discussion! If you don't see the difference from Couch and Mayfield then don't blame me for the ignorance.

1. TC did not have a play book in college.

2. TC had some skills but he had an Expansion talent base around him...that has never worked.

3. You just refuse to acknowledge the growth with Baker so far in each game and by your REACTION...we are to blame it all on Baker...lol

Just what game has he LOST. And the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the OBVIOUS CHANGE in the team during the JETS game sort of brings you to the level of - HUH...did you even watch the game...lol

I’d like to offer a small opinion. As much as I disliked Hue’s play calling, and began to question Haley’s as the season went on, I know that this debate has no clear answer.

The talent affects that play-calling. The play-calling must mask weaknesses and promote strengths. The execution must happen on the field.

We’re arguing about which leg of a three legged stool is the most important one. The answer is truly, “None of them, and all of them.”