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As of now at least Greg Williams is the leading candidate to be the HC of the browns next year. I couldn't be happier. So nice to have a coach that isn't blaming everyone else. It is nice to have a team that didn't beat themselves with penalties.

I know the odds are against him majority but Stevie wonder could see the difference post Hue n Haley. I want us in the same d next year n I want baker n this young offence not having to learn everything new again.

There is something to be said for continuity, or so I've heard.

Even though i’ve Watched it for decades now on here .. it still amazes me how ficlke the over whelming majority of my fellow dawgs are ...

Last week we couldn’t tackle a lick and the team gave up ... ya’all wanted to hang williams ...

This week ya’all wanna annoint him ...

Ya’all must have played CB in football cause ya’all have short memories ... *LOL* ..

There’s 7 games left ... how about ya’all chill and wait til the portraits done for ONCE ..

Everybody, including yourself seems to have entirely missed what it is I said about Hue. All I said was The team was tore down and he didn't have the personnel to win with. Let's give him this season to see what he can do.

That's all I said about Hue. When he was fired, I said this... I don't see how firing a HC mid season helps anything. An interim HC is temporary and usually never really changes anything. At the same time it was obvious the team wasn't performing so I don't see how it really hurts anything either.

So I don't mind you referencing things I've said as long as you state them correctly. Which you certainly didn't in this case.

So you tell me, after all is said and done, are you trying to say Hue was a good hire? You see the end result so what is it exactly you are trying to say?

The owner makes the decisions. He's at the top of the food chain. You see the teams record, you see the end results, so I have no idea what point it is you're trying to make. You've watched him hire HC's and then the GM. So you've watched him do things backwards. lmao

Are you sure this is an avenue you wish to continue venturing down? Really?

jc

i was a hue supporter right up until we went 0-16. after that, i didn't care what happened to him, and honestly he should've been fired right after the last game of the season.

what really took me off the Hue train was the reports/him saying he didn't coach/call plays like he wanted cause he didn't think we could win, or something of that nature.

that completely turned me off on that guy. you see coaches around the league trying their asses off no matter what talent, or lack thereof, is on the roster, trying their best to win games.

but then for him to say some crap like that? then, its pretty clear Haley was dorsey's pick, the playcalling is still trash, so hue tries to toss him under the bus, when the reality is that they both suck.

it's not surprising that the team looks worlds better with hue out of the picture. i'm glad he's gone, and williams/ kitchens is doing a great job transitioning us away from the trainwreck that was the Hue jackson era.

i dunno if those two guys will be here next year, but atleast you wont here them two making excuses for why they're NOT trying to win. they are coaching to win, putting our players in the best positions to make a play.

thats what real coaches do. not sit there and come up with crap reasons why they aren't coaching to their best ability.

Great post.

John Harbaugh no longer coaching the Ravens...

I don't think he's what we're looking for, but I do like him.


I suspect Denver will get him.


Harbaugh done

Eh, done but not officially done.
Still just speculation at this point.... like Hue being a sure-fire goner after going 0-16.

WOW ... if this is TRUE ...

Man ... were gonna have ONE HECK OF A LITTER TO CHOOSE FROM ...

This could be a TON OF FUN ... this could be one heck of a buffet to choose from ...

If he's out-the-door already, but staying through the end of the year. It'll be interesting to see the last game he calls for them if any animosity exists.

It makes sense on a couple fronts ....

- new GM taking over ...

- roster turnover ...

- WE MAY WANT HIM ...

Work with me dawg .. *L*

I'm not sure we want him.

I know that I'm not enamored with the idea.

Why not? ..

+’s ... -‘s ...

Curious as to what u like and dislike ...

Also ... just as important ... why dont u think hes a good fit here ...

I posted earlier (maybe this thread) that the concern with Harbaugh would be the OC he would bring in... I like Harbaugh and he would be on my list, just not the top.

I see Harbaugh as Jeff Fisher lite.

No thanks.

Harbaugh will get a look. That team is always tough, physical and well coached. I do think we need an offensive mind, but we could do a LOT worse than Harbaugh.

My biggest reason that I can articulate is that he would absolutely bring a new OC & DC, which will mean all new schemes and another powerful spin of the merry-go-round.

The other, less articulate, reason is that I've just never cared for him. I've always kinda felt that everything Harbaugh (meaning both of them) is overblown and more media creation than substance (kinda like Chucky). That said, I'm no great follower of any coach, ever.

I'm consistently a fan of trying to establish some form of continuity in Cleveland, however, so in that vein I sincerely hope we find some way to make Gregg Williams and Kitchens our long term solutions - provided they continue to give us ample reason in the coming weeks.

I think the problem you speak of with a complete coaching turnover will happen no matter who we hire. Coaches always bring in their own staff if they're worth a damn.

IMO, the only way we keep Kitchens and GW is to retain GW as the HC.

We will have our pick of the litter with this talent I will leave it up to Dorsey who ...

See for yourself.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...ach#Post1065437

I read that .. didnt understand it .. have a few questions on it ...

Why is their a concern about the OC he’d bring in ... whats the thinking behind that ...

And who was the source ..

I think he's saying our job is the best job. I might agree, unless Aaron Rodgers' team has an opening.

JC: I just hope for a thorough search.

I don't think Gregg Williams is our answer, despite the way the team played yesterday. That recording of him when he was with the Saints in the playoffs vs the 49ers has always left a terrible taste in my mouth about the guy.

I think we can do better.


I guess I'd be interested in a few of the college coaches: Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Riley, maybe that Iowa State guy, and maybe even the Clemson coach.

For Pro Coaches: there seems to be some guys, John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy. I keep hearing about that Chiefs Special Teams Coach.


Arians doesn't interest me. I would like someone that could help build our offense around Baker Mayfield's skillset though.



I think my top choice would have to be Nick Saban. I think he could assemble a good staff, and from my understanding of his personality, he runs Alabama like a professional program as it is. Just wonder whether we could lure Saban to come here. Maybe to finish what he started in the 90's?


EDIT: NM, Saban's quite old. Jim Harbaugh has had a great track record in the NFL. Now that John Harbaugh is out of Baltimore, I don't see why he'd be a bad candidate (other than his ability to wear out his welcome after a few years)

Gregg Williams is a great guy to get players motivated over the short term. He's act would get tired over the entire season.

Seasons matter. This season is still going on, and things are looking up. Teams that may have taken the Browns lightly in the past now do so at their own risk. No, we most likely won't be contenders for the playoffs, but dammit, the Browns are becoming competitive and relevant again. So for now, Gregg Williams is our coach, and that's good enough for me. Next year will take care of itself - we still have 6 games left to try and win. Until we lose again, 9-6-1 is possible.

I think Harbaugh was good for a bit, but has run his course. Their offense is not that good IMO.

Is the offense on Harbaugh or on Flacco?

I like Harbaugh, but I don't want to switch to a base 3-4 defense, which I believe the Ravens run.

1. Base is nickel.
2. Harbaugh doesn't run anything, he's hired people who cater to his personnel.

You seem to have a special knack for being rude and dismissive. They run a 3-4.

Let me put it this way - I don't want to see Myles Garrett standing up to rush the passer, or worse, dropping into coverage.

He currently does both of these.



Basically every team runs a hybrid defense nowadays. There is no base.

Some notes on Williams from CBD - he has significantly mellowed his bombastic character as HC. He also made a change to the schedule, apparently wednesday and thursday practice schedules were significantly different, he made them the same,time-to-go-home wise, very popular with players. Increased discipline, focus, professionalism.

Sacks are down, drops are down, penalties are down, 3 and outs are down, all significantly.

A note on Kitchens, he apparently takes the playbook for next game around to individual offensive players, asking for their 3 or 4 favorites, Bitonio I think it was said it kinda affects them, that when THEIR plays are called, they wanna make sure THEIR play works, so they don't look bad. Gives a little extra effort.

Keep these guys, keep the same system, keep winning.

There are still six games left.

I know what that says. Base means nothing.

If Williams can win out, we have to keep him. Odds of that happening are not very good.

We need a young offensive minded head coach PERIOD, but we also need some kind of damn continuity.

I wish Williams could impress so we don't have another complete overhaul for the 20th time.

I would love for he and Freddie to stay in the organization.

6 games left.

I hear you. Even tanking has lost its luster now that the Browns have blue chip talent at some of the games most important positions. That is, for those who advocate for tanking at the end of a lost season. I won't judge either way.

Look at the standings.. there really isn't a great 6th seed. Figure the Chiefs, Patriots, Steelers, Texans, and Chargers look like pretty good bets for the playoffs.

Who is #6? The Titans at 5-4 and coming off a solid win against the Patriots seem like the most likely.

Win 6 more in a row and 9-6-1 is probably good enough to get in. Two of those games are against the Bengals and another against the Ravens, so we could put those two teams at 6 losses each, not factoring in any other games.

I know it's a long shot. By no means do I think it will happen, but there is still something to play for. If/when we get knocked out, there's still something to be said for winning games and establishing a better culture. 7-8-1 with some strong wins would look pretty good based on where we were a week ago.