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No, We don't need a young offensive minded coach, what we need is a coach who knows WTH he is doing and is great with young QB

that man is Bruce Arians.

Do you realize that Arians:

1. Has the most wins ever for an interim head coach at 9-3 record.
2. He is the first(and only if im not mistaken) interim head coach to ever win the AP Coach of The Year Award.
3. The guy has only had 1 season below .500 as a head coach which was a 7-8 record.
4. He has gotten to the Title game once
5. has made the playoffs 3 times in 6 seasons.
6. has never won less then 7 games in a season has a head coach.

If your tired of losing all the time, You hire Bruce Arians. He will be able to hold down the job for 3-4 years(and win games) while we groom someone like Freddy Kitchen to take over 3-4 years down the road.

We gotta establish a culture here, and a young college coach isn't going to be able to do that, a proven winner like Arians can. He can set the tone of the building, hold the players accountable, have instant respect and credibility, and more importantly rally these professional men to win.

The more i think about it, the more its gotta be Bruce Arians....he is simply the best choice to build around Baker Mayfield....he is very good at making an offense for his QB and making it successful.

This is disingenuous. I'm talking about something that would be the norm in a base 3-4, and you are referring to a rare occurrence in a base 4-3. Its not the same; degrees matter.

If GW can win 2 more games he'll have won as many in a half of season as Hue did in 2 and a half.

I'll not worry about the playoffs (we'd have to run the table, most likely, but 5-1 might get it done).

On to Cincinnati.

Personal opinion and preference..

an Offensive minded head coach who can work with Williams and Mayfield.

I don't think the Defense is that far off, probably another playmaker or two to be phenomenal. And then Williams can go back to perfecting his Defense.. making it better.

Then bring in a offensive minded head coach to work with Baker...

Arians sounds great... Wonder if Peyton is interested in working with a hot shot QB... (Joking, but that'd be interesting at least)

So, we have a calming, stablilizing HC, who emphasizes discipline, accountability, and professionalism.

We have an OC who is creating schemes with the input of his players, designing things around their strengths, and is creative enough to install the reverse wishbone.

What was the point of this thread again?

People, sometimes the grass is greener on YOUR side of the fence.

Stay off my lawn!

Fixed that for ya.

I tried the lines from the movie on my wife. Got smacked.

For u and the rest of the McDermott pimps .... this is your boy ....

Check out the time stamp ... i’ll Help ... from today at 1:48 PM ...

Speaking Monday, Bills coach Sean McDermott said he is "still confident" in Nathan Peterman.
We are not. It will be a dark day for the Bills franchise if Peterman is forced into another start this season.

Source: Mike Rodak on Twitter Nov 12 - 1:48 PM

BRB ... just for u kieth ... ... BRB with the rest of the story ...

6 hours later ...

Nathan Peterman - QB - Free Agent

Bills waived QB Nathan Peterman.

It comes the same day coach Sean McDermott said he was "still confident" in Peterman. The 171st pick in last year's draft, Peterman was dubbed a sleeper pick at the time but went on to be anything but competent in his brief time in Buffalo. The 24-year-old made eight appearances in 1.5 seasons with the Bills, starting four games, going 1-3 with a historically-bad 3:12 TD:INT mark, throwing an interception on 9.2% of his passes. It's pretty telling that longtime borderline NFLer Matt Barkley joined the Bills less than two weeks ago and immediately looked like a Hall of Famer compared to Peterman. We'd bet he eventually gets another shot and a much needed change of scenery. He'll never develop into a starter with long odds of becoming even a No. 2.

Related: Bills

Nov 12 - 8:03 PM

Yup ... this dudes who i want leading my team ... ...

Good call guys ...

Yet you wanted the guy that said, "trust me on this one" when talking about Cody Kessler?

When did i say i ever wanted Hue ... EVER .... from day 1 ...

U guys get confused a lot ...

Please go find a post where i said i wanted hue ... HUGE DIFFERENCE between defending someone from a lynch mob and wanting someone ....

All I EVER SAID was he DESERVED a CHANCE with an NFL ROSTER and this was a NEW JOB for his as far as i was concerned ...

Rip me for what i say wrong .... lord only knows theres plenty of that ... i give u plenty of ammo ...

BUT DONT STOOP TO DEVICES LEVEL AND JUST MAKE THINGS UP ....

I NEVER EVER SAID I WANTED HIM .... EVER ....

I DEFENDED HIM ... thats not saying i wanted him ... i said til the day he got fired he deserved a chance ... NEVER ONCE SAID HE WAS THE ANSWER OR I WANTED HIM ...

Thats wrong dawg ... plain flat out wrong ...

Crap ... vers more than once accused me of setting Hue up to be fired as recently as a month before he got fired ... now your telling me I wanted him ... *LOL* ... i never did either of those things ...

You're lucky that's all you got.

Well, when you defend the guy to the extent you did...it kind of implies that you wanted him around. I don't you recall you saying otherwise.

Ravens have always struggled offensively. They've also probably gone thru more than half a dozen OC's during his tenure, I believe none left as head coaches.

With Baker you want to marry him with a great offensive mind for years to come. I'd expect Harbaugh to go to Denver.

I think the point is that Harbaugh would bring in a DC (or keep Williams) to run what's best for ir personnel. Harbaugh was a special teams coach. I don't think he's going to come in and demand a switch in defensive schemes.

I'd imagine something similar to the steelers when they hired Tomlin, who I believe had a different philosophy as Lebeau but he kept Lebeau as the coordinator. And as cf mentioned teams run a hybrid nowadays despite whatever "base" they run.

Not quite sure where you think you're going with this one because this is just a weird reach. But yes I definitely would have taken McDermott over Hue. If the Bills fire McDermott I would consider him.

Man, why would anyone want Harbaugh or McDermott?

I want no part of either guy. Add Josh McDaniels to my "No way, ever" list.

I see no reason to trust any of them with an up and coming team, with a young, potential franchise QB. What is any of their backgrounds qualify them for this kind of job?

Low blow and uncalled for.

I don't make stuff up, I'll leave that to a few others on this board. Its ashame you would stoop to this level (as you say) and slander someones name simply because you don't agree with them. There's a handful of you where this is becoming the norm and not sure why your clique insists on telling others how they should think. It's the reason why this board is unreadable at times... can't go too far before you see a post where you think someone's opinion is moronic or stupid. It's disrespectful and I can't imagine you would do that in person. The power of the internet prevails.

I don't think Arians is the guy, but I'm not opposed. Arians is not Hue, but he seems to value what Hue always wanted, a big sturdy quarterback. He's had big ben, luck, and palmer to name a few.

Im not sure Arians is the right fit.

Oh man, tell me you got pictures!

Any coach can establish a culture if the players buy in to the plan.

I didnt even get involved until this year .. i stood out of your HATEFEST and all the threads u guys ruined ... both sides SUCKED BIGTIME BUTT ....

When i did get involved ..... all i ever was said was give the dude a chance ... i viewed this as a new job for him .. new chance .. lets see what he can do with an NFL ROSTER and him being HC alone ...

I was HARDER THAN most on him the first two years ... just cause i didnt feel the need to say the same things 1000 MILLION TIMES and didnt call for his scalp every post and thought he deserved a chance with a real nfl roster doesnt mean i wanted him or thought he was good ..

I said multiple times i had no clue if he was good or not .. just he didnt have a chance and deserved one ..

I can’t help it if u have selective reading or weren’t paying attention ...

Your dead nuts wrong here dawg ... and thats not right ... i hate it hen people put words in my mouth ... ITS BS ...

And just so u know Jfan ... as i’m Sure the entire board has vers labeled wrong here also ..

He stuck up for Hue .. never once said he was a good HC ... NEVER ONCE did he say that .. he felt the same way i did ...

He just felt the need to defend him for 2 entire years where as i started to defend him this year for the reasons i all ready stated ...

But vers never once said he was a good HC ...

Not once ..

U wanna rip me on this one .. go down the 3 GREAT O MINDS WORKING TOGETHER road ... pretty sure they never even got in the same room much less worked together .. *LOL* ..

I give u guys enough ammo ... no need to put words in my mouth ... my history of misses is well known ... i run my mouth a lot so when i’m Wrong folks take great joy in pointing it out ... i deserve it, comes with the territirory ... *L* ...

I'm not Gregg's biggest fan, but most of these other names don't do it for me.

They'd all mean massive upheaval or shotgun weddings. Neither has worked for us yet.

We need continuity. Baker, Williams, and Kitchens seem to mesh pretty well. I'd strongly consider sticking with them if the wheels don't fall off. Baker could be seen as the QB version of Gregg if you stop to think about it. I'm not seeing a better fit out there who would appear remotely ready.

I agree... I thought maybe bring in Arians and
maybe can the special teams coach and keep everyone else..

Then knowing Coaches like their own guys... so now it's a new staff and maybe the dreadful D scheme change.

I'm comfortable with Al Saunders helping out with the Offense as Baker and Kitchens gel together and make some new and exciting recipes on Offense.

Lol. "HATEFEST"

The main reason to get a new coach is to get everyone in the organization on the same page. That's why I don't think Williams stays. Falling in love with and keeping the interim never really works. Romeo and Mularkey are two examples. I really don't think Williams will be retained but you never know.

Wait and see.. I have a funny feeling that we will see what we have under Williams... if they win 3 or 4 out of the last 6 and are at least somewhat impressive in the ones they lose, I'd keep williams and Kitchens, Hire a new RB Coach and Promote Williams son to DC.

At this moment, that makes sense. It may not by the end of the season.

I really think that Baker Mayfield will have a thing or two to say about it also. He seems to enjoy playing for Kitchens and Williams...

that's just factually incorrect.

Go to the Hardknocks threads, he was practically writing about the guy like a grade school crush. I posted some of his replies about Hue in another thread. They are there.

j/c

I'm a little confused as to why people feel we need an offensive minded HC. IF your HC can do his job of managing the team and allow his OC and QB coach to do their jobs, then it makes no difference. If your system is set up correctly it's the OC and QB coach who work mainly with your QB and O position players, not the HC.

Who a HC hires and can attain to his staff is far more important than whether the HC is an O minded or D minded HC. Hiring the right people for their respective job is the biggest key to a HC. Having the right people in the right position to do their jobs is the biggest obstacle.

Of all people I would have thought Browns fans would realize that.

I would have to see how the rest of the year turns out before I give my exact thoughts.

I want to see how Greg/Kitchens are with this team, and if we can keep progressing. If so, I am absolutely ok with staying course with them.

Dream scenario for me is Arians HC, Kitchens OC, and Williams DC.

Brings in new blood at the top but keeps continuity where it matters.

Get it done Jimmy.

And Arians can work with Kitchens to be the next HC when he retires ...

Ain’t going down that road bro .. water under the bridge ... like timone said (as I’m sure your well aware by now ... *LOL*) ... in tomes like these u just gotta put the past behind U ...

Not gonna go search post ... i know what Vers thought ... he said it more than once ... the hard knocks stuff i praised Hue over also ... LOVED how he handled Bake ... some other things i was really impressed with .... fell for it hook, line and sinker (TEAR ME APART FOR THAT FELAAS ... it may not be fun casue i’ll Join in ... *LOL* ... but THATS LEGITE) ...

U guys got to a bad place ... a real bad place ... things were said ... reminded me of the cess poo at times ... real shame ....

Again bro ... water under the bridge .. not going there ...

For me bro ... always been like this ... its about the FUTURE ... ours is bright ...

And hopefully at some point we can all enjoy the ride instead of destroying each other over our EXTREMELY TOXIC PAST ...

Thats my hope anyhow ...

Agree 100% ... especially if him and Kitchens get along well ...

If Bake likes Kitchens and Dorsey does ... and he does a good job the rest of the way ... why not bring on a guy n the D side of the ball and let Kitchens run the O ...

The OPTIONS ARE ENDLESS DAWG ...

And we get to choose ... how sweet will that be ....

BONE wonder what flies on the walls in Berea are hearing ... wish we knew one ... *LOL* ...

What coordinators do we like and why?

What current HC that might be become available are we interested in?

Any interest at all in Arians?

Any interest in any college guys?

Does williams have any shot, if so whats he gotta do ...

The possibilities are endless at this point bro ....

The best part ... as curious as i am and as huge as this is ... i actually wish we had a game this week ... as bad as any game were in could be i still CRAVE WANTING MORE ... I LOVE watching this team .... except for when were missing tackles ... *LOL* ...

Every mistake Bake makes i dont get depressed ... i could be fooling myself but it feels more like a STEP IN THE PROCESS as opposed to a CAREER ENDER ... u know what i mean?

All the KIDS ... DANG DAWG ... I’M SOOOO EXCITED ... are u kidding me ...

Ward, Mg, Obi, Chubb, ... man .. those are some POTENTIAL STUDLY STUDS that are PUPS ...

Then theres Mitchell, how about Fells at FB ... Kitchens very well may have a future bro ..

Its only two games ... like what hes doing in that hes very creative and he has the players vested in “there” plays ... the results are gonna start to fade after the bungle game .. we’ll lay some real D’s ... but I LOVE is concepts ..

- protecting the edges ...
- the 3 rb set
- calling plays that the players look comfie running ... the players looked Ike fish out of water with Haley ... a lot of that was on bake ... and he will get confused again .. hes a rookie ... but the plays seem to be a lot smoother and much more seamless to me ...

An i kidding myself there or seeing sumptin that isn’t there? .. LITTLE HELP ... *L* ...

Anyhow dawg ... not sure where to begin with the search ... for now ...

WANNA ENJOY THE RIDE ... watch the kids grow ... I finally feel like were on a ride thats gonna end far far far beyond the Isle and hopefully ends on the final podium of the nfl season instead of us wanting to dig deeper and deeper holes to bury ourselves in each week ...

Where we differ is I don't believe you can go out and find a quality HC candidate who won't hire his own staff. I don't think any candidate will come in here forced to keep anyone on the current staff.

Is it possible? I guess so but that certainly isn't standard operating procedure in the NFL.