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Some more Browns coaching info. Dorsey says Williams is in the running.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-for-head-coach

I think that no matter who we interview for the HC, there will be a give and take that will involve Dorsey asking that candidate about our personnel and how they fit into that candidates system, how they intend to utilize the skills they see our personnel having.. ie.. Baker

We very well might, but if the early returns continue on their current trajectory, we NEED to have some extremely serious consideration given to keeping the band together.

Flip does not cut it for me - as if I have any say.

None of the teams in his past for which he has been a coach of some sort speak quality offenses, except the Eagles as QB coach for 1 season.

Kiffin, Cable, Allen, Sporano, and Ryan. My God, those were some of the worst offenses in football.

McDaniels all day, every day over Flip in my opinion. Don't care about his first go-round in Denver. Live in NE and watch the damn Patriots all the time. Him and Brady have been unbelievable.

That's not what the Beatles said.

hammer, I think the past 20 years Brady would have been “ unbelievable “ with you or me as his oc.

Yeah, but they're overrated, so I don't count their opinion

He did beat Pitt in a playoff game with Tim Tebow. . . .

but im not a fan.

IDK about Flip either. Minn was a good offense before he got there. I think he is a benefactor of having Cousins with a high powered core of players. He def didn't impress me here.

That was John Fox.

In the running is one way to put it.

I have to think that the Browns will have to have a lot more games like the one vs the Falcons for Williams to actually get the job beyond this year.

If Baker is flourishing, and the team busts butt in every game, I think that he'll have a real chance at the job. I don't think that anything is automatic right now. I am sure that Dorsey has a list of people to call, but who is to say that he can't be convinced?

What is he going to say? No, he has no shot and shouldn't put everything he has in to earning the job?

Williams wins 4 or more games from here on out, we'd be foolish not looking at him more seriously.

I think we don't know if Josh McDaniels is a good coach or a bad coach. The Patriots offense is incredible and has been for years before and after Josh McDaniels. The offense was also one of the early adopters of running tons of spread concepts and has continued to be innovative. The problem with McDaniels is that it is hard to know how much is him, how much is Brady, and how much is Belichick. Because of that I don't think I would want him. Belichick and Brady's greatness make things too convoluted.

I wasn't criticizing Dorsey, but rather just stating what I think the team has to look like for Williams to get the job.

I agree that that 4 or more wins from here on out and it'll be a serious consideration.

I think if we win several more games it would make the decision even harder. I don't think Dorsey wants to hire Williams and having him not return despite having success would be a tough sell.

You're probably right. There's definitely an area where it could be a very hard decision.

Williams isn't Dorsey's dream candidate. At the same time, Williams took over in the middle of the season when things were going off the rail, with an absolutely brutal second half of the schedule. Also, four of the remaining six games are road games.

The odds are stacked against him. If he can make it work and have success at the end of the season here, I think that says a lot. You don't want to let a good coach get away.

At the end of the day, these are the types of decisions that Dorsey is here for. It may be an obvious decision-- probably a bad thing, though if we run the table or something crazy, it'll be an easy decision the good way. Or it might be one where he just has to make a hard decision that many fans don't agree with. That comes with the job.

So, you guys are saying, that if Williams wins 5, out of 8, games, with a team that was 4-35-1 before that, against a very tough schedule, he should get ....... Serious Consideration?


Ummmm .....WHAT???

j/c

I've read a few comments about Williams being a questionable choice for HC because of his involvement in the bounties while in NO. Another point made against his becoming the HC is that he is defensive minded and Mayfield needs an offensive minded HC.

First, I am not advocating Williams is the man for the job. What I am talking about is dismissing him as a legitimately good choice for the job because of those things.

Second, while the bounty episode was clearly reprehensible, holding that against his being HC ignores the power of learning from mistakes. Using myself as an example, in 1989 I went through drug rehab for an addiction to cocaine. Three years into sobriety I became a paramedic for the City of Cleveland. Five years after that, I became a Cleveland Cop. I used my experiences as an addict to understand the people and situations that I dealt with as a cop. There are those who said I had no business being a cop because of my history, but I firmly believe that it made me a better person and a better cop. Now obviously, not everyone learns from their mistakes, but my read on Williams (distant as my view is) is that he has and it has made him a better coach.

Third, a good leader doesn't have to do everything well. He has to understand what he does well, and delegate what he doesn't do well to someone who does.

In the Browns current situation, the team has responded well to the leadership of Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC. Two games is a small sample. Should they continue to do so, improve where they need to, and win at least 3 of the last 6 games, then Williams should be given strong consideration as the permanent (well...) HC

All that said, it's Dorsey's decision, and based on what I know and have seen from him, I trust him to make a better decision than I would. I just don't want to see Williams dismissed out of hand because of past mistakes or because he's a defensive guy.

Shocking stuff, I know.

Williams has done a nice job so far. Let's see how it goes the rest of the way.

I'm going to guess Arians won't be strongly considered, but that's only a guess after seeing the press conference

If GW can win 2 more games against this schedule, Dorsey will have him in the front of the line in the HC interviews.

This team was 2 - 5 - 1 dawg ...

Not sure what the completely void of a QB or pretty much any talent from the last two years has to do with this team ...

Williams took over a 2 - 5 - 1 team ... not a 4 - 35 - 1 team ... previous teams records are irrelivent ... each team (especially with our yearly roster turnover) is a different entity ...

We play Cinci twice and the rats and donks ..

Those game are EXTREMELY WINNABLE ...

Who are the other two teams? ...

Are the rats even a 500 team anymore? ... the bungles don’t resemble the team that beat the rats in like week 3 .. they’ve returned to who they are ...

Naaaa ... not sure who the other two team are but we can beat the bungles and the donks and we beat the rats with the worst coach ever according to u guys ... why would that be such an accomplishment? ...

We got Joe back last week ... Mitchell should be back for the last 4 ....

Were gelling ... about the only negative is potential injuries and the rooks hitting the wall ...

All in all ... no reason we can’t win these games ... while on the same token we could lose them all ... *LOL* .

Or Williams.

He sounded the least excited about retaining Kitchens.

Carolina and Houston are the other 2 teams we play, Diam.

If we win two or three games down the stretch, but more importantly, continue to show definite signs of getting better, I might be highly irritated if the GW/Freddie combo gets the boot.

yeah

Continue to show definite signs of getting better?

The Browns haven't gone better than 2-5 through 7, or better than 2-6 through any 8 game stretch since Bobby Hoying,... excuse me, Brian Hoyer was quarterback.

hince my focus on, "8 gamees remained, win any 3 !! "

No matter what they do, hire, fire, let a fictional character take the reins, whatever,
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otherwise, they don't really have "continued signs of definite improvement" since the big tuna was running things... excuse me, the Walrus, The guy on the golfcart, Holmgren.

3-5, it means something, it means something because it's been a while. One step at a time.

6 games remain, win any 2 more!

... ... (well technically 2-5-1 is better...) Get outta here, ain't nobody got time for that!

What is your point?

His posts don't require a point to be enjoyed.

Some of Throw Long's posts are downright psychedelic.

Haha, I can enjoy some of them, I just wasn't sure what TL was trying to say.

I think that alone may qualify you as a United Nations interpreter.