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Agreed.
Good luck convincing a highly sought after coach to not do it his way with his people. It just isn't going to happen.

He's going to want his people, things done his way, and he will likely want a sacrificial bone thrown to him in the Draft where we take "his guy".

The stuff we are doing is the stuff hue should have been doing with the other QBs he destroyed. Kitchens using multiple TE sets and unlike Haley using playaction and getting guys open for the QB


6 games left and I will be surprised if we didn't win at least 4 of those. Hue and Haley were horrid. I think Williams and Kitchens are everything we have been wanting. They don't have to be great just don't be stupid.

Not sure we differ dawg ... actually i know we don’t ... its how the NFL operates .. i agree .. it may not happen ..

OPTIONS bro ... here’s two ways this one could come to fruition ....

1. We play above and beyond the next 6 games and Dorsey loves Williams and decides to keep him on ... i believe Kitchens would have a better than evenshot then ...

2. The new HC LOVES what he sees in what Kitchens odd with the O and grants him and interview and he earns the job in said interview ...

Those may not be the norm but they are possible and are OPTIONS ... more like possibilities ... u know what i mean ...

Why couldnt Kitchens be one of there people? ... especially if Bake really wants him ...

I’m just throwing ideas out .... just sayin its possible ...

I know its not the norm .... but every situation is unique ...

Its gonna be a fun discussion for a change ... at least i’m Gonna have fun ...

Kitchens promoted to Hc n Williams goes back to dc hmm.

McVay, Nagy, and Reich all had DCs retained. They all serve themselves as OCs, I believe.

If you hire a non-offensive head coach, he hires an offensive coordinator. If that offensive coordinator is successful, he leaves and takes his system with him. If the head coach is the system, the system never leaves.

oh, it's POSSIBLE, it's just not PROBABLE.

Agree. Also, its a offensive minded league right now. New and innovating OC's are what teams are looking for and who are getting hired for HC jobs.

McVay hired Wade Phillips. The Rams defensive coordinator was Gregg Williams.

I can't think of one example of an interim coach staying on the next year after a new head coach was brought in.

I don't think Gregg Williams should be ineligible to be our next head coach, but we should go through the entire interview process with him included. John Dorsey has to hire someone he feels comfortable with. My biggest fear is that we keep Williams because we have a bit of success and then we fire him two years in because he was never Dorsey's guy.

I think short of winning out (not gonna happen) and just handing the gig over to Gregg Full Time, your scenario is the most logical.

I like what I am seeing, and if Dorsey decides to go with Gregg I am cool with it. But I want all due diligence done and every rock unturned to get THE BEST candidate we can. I trust in Dorsey, and have no doubt he will do us what he believes is best for this football team.

Williams is also auditioning for one of the other HC jobs coming open at the end of the year. If he can show this team is a winner, he'll be sought after too.

I don't think Williams will ever get another head coaching interview, let alone job, unless it is from us. Everyone knows his schtick at this point.

Agree and good point. I mean, if he can turn the dysfunction around here - I think just about anyone will give him a look.

Sure, a DC whos team is leading the league in TO is not sought after or will ever get a job. . . . . . Bro there is a reason he has been in the NFL for over 20 years. His "schtick" is that he is a respected coach and his players will run through a brick wall for him.

His schtick is that he is a fake tough guy.

How many terrible coaches have been in the NFL for 20 years because they have buddies with jobs? Hue Jackson was unemployed for two weeks.

On top of all that, teams want young guys who can grow into the position.

If we hire a new HC and he asks Williams to stay on as DC I fully expect him to stay. He already claimed he passed up several head coaching gigs because this is where he wants to be. I kinda feel it wasn't Hue he wanted to work with and he's very familiar with our players. I think he knows if he stays he very well could be rewarded with a ring.

Not much has changed, so why wouldn't he pass up head coaching jobs because he's already said he wants to be here?

For sure.

I haven't seen too many posts saying we need an offensive minded HC. I do think it's very possible we get one. Because this is a quarterback league, who we hire to run the offense and work with baker should be of utmost importance.

I think how he handled Baker was awful. Unless Tyrod came out like gang busters, Hue was doomed.... and here we are.

I agree. If Baker says he likes the set-up, there is a good chance the set-up stays the same.

It still has to make sense, we have to show something, though I don't think we need to win as many games as you mentioned. We have to win some, but as long as things are clicking, it could largely stay the same.

Unlike some on the board, I like defensive guys as the head coach. They seem more kick ass to me. I think a football team needs that. The head coach doesn't need to make friends or be all that close to players. He has to be ready to cut them.

That isn't to say there isn't a relationship and respect factor involved.


I like Greg Williams. I would be happy if he stays. I won't be upset if he goes...well, unless we win maybe 5 games. A big part of his interview is currently in process.

The only two coaches we get to run through a real-world trial, instead of just guessing, are the ones already here. Also the only way to avoid system, and personnel, overhaul.

If we do go outside, the huge difference from previous years is that we are clearly a team on the rise. THEY will want to work with US.

I agree. I don't agree with the doom and gloomers who bash Haslam and think people will shy away.

Plenty of qualified people want the job.

With a huge amount of cash to spend and 3 rookie of the year candidates everyone will want to come here!

I think it will either be Dave Toub or Eric Bieniemy cause of their ties to Dorsey.

This +100

However, I don't want Greg to leave.

I'd say our job will be at the top of everyone's wishlist compared to all the others

If Baker and Kitchens have a great connection...I think the next HC - if he's not Kitchens or Williams - WILL be told who is his OC. Take it or leave it. It's all about Baker right now...as it should be.

The Arians advantage is he would be a good coach AND buys us a little time...maybe 2-3 years before he retire retires. (I'm not panning for him necessarily...just a thought.) Him being HC could be "implemented" very quickly/soon (from the announcement standpoint anyway) and allow for folks to get their minds around Arians/Kitchens/Williams. It's not normal for sure...but not outrageous either. I just think an 'old' guy like Arians - who already knows Kitchens - could be ok with inheriting his first OC and DC...especially when he's buddies with the OC and certainly knows all about the DC.

I still think our defense had underachieved with Williams. I'm ok with all coaches departing.

If Arians comes, I think Bowles is a name we might see for DC.

Get where you're coming from, but it's not good to handcuff a HC like that. A HC should be able to pick his staff. The interview will suss out what a HC candidate has in mind for an OC and Baker.

Whether it is the GM-HC relationship or the HC-Coordinator relationship, we've seen, when they are forced to work together, it never works out. The HC should be able to get whoever the heck he wants for his coordinators, IMO. So, with that said, the GM making the HC hire needs to feel confident in the personnel decision making of the HC. That's critically important.

Forcing someone to work with someone else is a failed endeavor. An endeavor we've seen happen far too often here thanks to Jimmy Haslem.

I think (hope?) Dorsey understands this. Absolute worst possible thing would be to stick a HC with coordinators he doesn't want. I mean, didn't we just do that with Hue (based on his whining in the post-termination interviews)? The next worse thing would be a massive offensive or defensive system switch.

My hope is that Dorsey can balance those two factors in the search. A real coup would be something like Arians coming here, liking Kitchens as his OC (they have a history) and keeping Williams or an understudy of his to keep the foundation of our defensive system intact.

I'm hoping that there is clarity within the building regarding Williams and what he wants to do. Apparently he has modified his approach since taking on the HC position. He's dialed it back a bit.

He stated in his intro press conference back when we hired him that he wanted to be DC, and didn't want to be a HC. That may or may not be true, but I just hope that everyone in the building is on the same page. Being able to retain Williams as HC, if he proves capable and the best for the job, or even sliding him back to DC if the new HC wants, would be pretty ideal situations.

I like what we have going on right now as well.

What i don't know is if it is the best we can have. I guess we have 6 games left. Lets see what we do the rest of the way. If we look really good in most of them, win or lose, I wouldn't mind keeping it as it is.

Kitchens could keep the same terminology and install some different schemes or plays. That way the players wouldn't have to learn everything from scratch

Heck, he already has a new install in just a few weeks on the job.

I'm surprised Arians came out saying that the Browns are the only job he would take

and he would bring Chuck with him http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/...2z1e3b48kjlqf6b

Just an FYI,

Arians and Kitchens have worked together in the past. From 2013 to 2016 Kitchens was Arians QB coach in Arizona and in 2017 he was his RB coach.

Who knows, in six games we might well be saying, "Flush these turds".

As long as he's here for a few years his system gets installed and all of his assistants know and can keep his system. Hell, we can't even keep a HC for three years and you're bringing up an OC leaving?