DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fire Hue Jackson Part Two

I don't think you're getting why people are laughing at the idea of Hue and analytics.

j/c

Every single franchise in the NFL uses analytics and has since the 1980s. I don't get why people keep tossing this buzz word around.

Analytics means you use math to analyze the most and least successful options historically to project success.

Running the 40 yard dash is a form of predictive analytics. Scouting. Route design. Zone Blocking. etc and so on. It's all analytics.

When people say "analytics" I feel like they mean "Nerds that never played football." of which I am one so that's probably why it triggers me lol

I agree......lol



Size, weight, and speed are the early forms of analytics.

Paul Brown in the 40's and 50's was big in to analytics.

I believe Paul Brown was the first to administer IQ tests to players. Substandard IQ's were not rostered on a PB team.

But hey....leave it to "football" guys

j/c - I don't think there is a poster here that doesn't recognize that every team in the NFL and probably all of professional sports that uses analytics....

However some teams use it more and some less. And Hue - isn't an analytics guy.

Heck our post counts on this site are a form of analytics lol

Oh I totally agree on that point. Hue wasn't really much of anything coaching wise lol

I was just bringing up a separate point.

I don't think anybody believes he installed a new offense. He simply installed a new package of plays using the current terminology.

Sorry for the double post. I went back to a tab and my comments were still up, making me think I hadn't posted the comment. Could no longer delete.

NRTU

If the playbook is the same maybe Haley should have tried a few of the plays that Kitchens employed:


Like the fake screen left then pass back to the right

the middle slip screen to Johnson

The inverted wishbone

The three tight end sets to afford mass protection to Mayfield

The shorter drops

the quicker slants and release points


Just to name a few, he might still have a job.

What.

It makes sense ...

Hue started on that side of the ball ...

Who knows better how to stop an O ...

Eases the OC neck turn when looking over his shoulder ...

I’m glad it worked our for Hue ... no ill will for him or Sashi ... wish them both the best others than Hue can lose very game except when we need them to beat the rats or stilers ...

Worse D in the league, freshly fired DC, what do they have to lose? The worse that could happens is they move sideways. It'll be interesting to see how they handle Lamar.

Hue knows just how to stop an O

By coaching it.

If Hue does well next week on Bengals D it will be the 39th time he derailed the Cleveland Offense.

HUE - OK D, they are on their 2, watch for the flea flicker, im telling you - Its coming!

Offense - HB screen right, 98 yard TD.

Hue Jackson<A Manchurian Candidate

NFL Insider Predicts Condoleezza Rice Would Actually Out-Coach Hue Jackson

https://www.12up.com/posts/6225917-nfl-i...mHc6gKp5U3hevyM

Somewhere on Twitter someone posted that Dorsey thought there was a leak among those who are involved in the coach search and he used this ridiculous story to expose the leak. It supposedly did and that person is no longer involved in the search.

What ticks me off is the reports that Rice turned down the job. It was never offered, was not going to be offered.

She was asked about the reports, and say she was not qualified. What's wrong with that?

She was not offered the job, so she can’t “turn it down.” That headline makes it sounds like another Cleveland fail.

Lol I think its brilliant that Dorsey would leak that. Time to plug the holes in the ship.

So were we right or were we right?

Time for the know it all in this Forum to eat some crow....

Don't want to rub the firing Hue on their faces, but since I don't see any constriction posts, I do not think we should let this pass.

If anything is being proven is that the ones who were here asking for Hue to be fired some seasons ago were right.

I've made several posts regarding this and stating I was wrong. Hue should never have survivied the first season based on what we have seen since his departure. I supported him for 2+ years.

Now I've made that statement, how about you admit that you were wrong with Baker? Don't spin it like you just wanted to wait and see more. The media, fans and ex players all saw something special in this rookie and you were praising Rosen Allen and Darnold. Repent! All will be forgiven.

I was on the fence about Hue myself ... I wanted to give him the benefit. It looks like he was a big part of the problem here, at least 3 games later. Can't believe how drastic the change has been

Are you going to eat your crow about Baker?

There are alot of people who need to eat crow about Baker. For some, a double dose of crow with Hue AND Baker. Its from the same couple of guys who qualified posters about knowing, or not knowing, football. Boy, that backfired.

Agreed. the ones who constantly bashed others for "not knowing football" or "not having football talk" are the ones who should be eating crow.

FYI, its week two for Hue with Cincy and hes winless there too!

Just some general thoughts:

I feel much better about the Browns. The atmosphere is much better, the guys have more energy, there are less penalties, the offense looks like it has been unleashed. I certainly believe a lot of this is coaching. Some of it is no doubt our younger guys continuing to improve and develop as time goes on. The bye week surely helped with this, as it often does.

I think I got all the Hue frustration out of me. Don't hold me to this, but I doubt you'll hear me say anything more about him until the next Bengals game and maybe not even then. Hey, he's a coach there, that's fair game IMO.

This coaching change has exceeded even my expectations.. especially how fast and how stunning the turnaround has been. It's just simply an amazing change in a few short weeks where I kind of figured it would take months and manifest itself more next season.

I think we all kind of see what's happened with the team. I'm going to try to look more at the future.. it sure looks bright.. rather than at the past.

How many times did we hear Hue, post-game, gonna "coach em up"? Only to see the same friggin problem, again and again, over and over, no improvement.

GW says "we're gonna get that fixed", and holy crap, it gets fixed.

Penalties down by over a third.

Drops nearly eliminated.

Sacks against down by 80%.

Points up by one-third.

Points against down.

More wins in three games than Hue had in two years. Same wins with same players in three games, it took Hue eight.

Hue Jackson may be a nice guy, but as a head coach, he most definitely finished LAST.

Well, Huey talks about analytics, given the right audience of course. But he doesn't follow it much, get it much, or use it well. That is how you lose 18 plus and bust on draft picks. Just another bad area for Hue. Hats off to Mayfield after the game; well played, rook, well played.

Hue is gone and it's time to move on. Williams has created a different atmosphere and it's showing on the field. I was never a Hue Jackson fan but always held out hope he would right the ship. Knowing what we know now, he should have been fired after 1-15.
A new era under Dorsey looks bright.

I was a Hue supporter. I liked him, I still do and thought he was a good coach. After seeing what has happened since he left I'm man enough to admit I may have been wrong. My Browns actually look like an NFL team and I can't remember the last time I was able to say that. It feels good.

To your point, from Jason Lloyd....

Mayfield is more involved in the offense since Freddie Kitchens began calling plays, a number of sources said Sunday. But it’s not just Mayfield. Up and down the offense, Kitchens has involved everyone on the play calling — even the offensive linemen.

As the time and distance between Jackson and the Browns grows, so do the reasons for why everything looks so different now. A number of players mentioned Sunday how much faster the tempo is at practice under Williams than it was under Jackson. The competitiveness in practice has been raised, too.

“Games are fast,” one defensive player said Sunday. “It’s hard to play fast on Sundays when you aren’t practicing fast during the week.”

Williams has also adopted the idea of focusing on one task every day. While Wednesdays are typically game-plan installation days, another day the goal is no turnovers and yet another day the focus is on perfect execution. And Sundays also have their own title: Savage Sundays. That certainly has been the case the last two weeks — particularly when Randall handed his interception to Jackson.