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Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.



not sure where she says that

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The Right is so full of hate they can't even recognize a doctored photo - even one as badly photoshopped as this one! No wonder the Right are so full of hate.
Lets be fair, people in general cannot spot a photo shopped photo, regardless of how awful it looks. that's not a partisan issue and anyone with democrat or republican friends on facebook or twitter can verify that.


Thank you. That's pretty much my whole point - you can take anything posted by an idiot on the left or right and claim it as an example of one political side/party side or the other .... but it does NOT actually mean that it's representative of anything more than the extremes.


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No actually it does in the original post but not in yours. This person is an elected official, you posted a comment from a meme page.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez... rofl


Ocasio-Cortez seeks spot on House banking panel

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/419076-ocasio-cortez-seeks-spot-on-house-banking-panel

Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Thursday said she is interested in a seat on the powerful House committee overseeing the financial sector.

Ocasio-Cortez told Hill.TV in an interview Thursday that she’s "looking at" serving on the House Financial Services Committee, which leads congressional regulation and supervision of U.S. banks, lenders, insurers and housing industry.


The Financial Services panel is one of the most sought-after House committees. It’s members wield significant influence over Washington’s relationship with Wall Street, and the panel offers access to millions of dollars in financial sector campaign donations.

The committee is also is expected to lead several investigations into President Trump’s personal finances, along with potential connections between his businesses and Russian oligarchs...


Not surprising as they are placing Mad Maxine Waters in charge of the House Financial Committee. rolleyes
Obi Wan Cortesz will have to fight for Mad Maxine's crumbs.

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Lets be fair, people in general cannot spot a photo shopped photo, regardless of how awful it looks. that's not a partisan issue and anyone with democrat or republican friends on facebook or twitter can verify that.


It's hilarious to me. On a daily basis I see memes from both sides on FB that are so blatantly false it takes an entire 30 seconds to do a fact check and debunk it.

When I point that out to a GOP friend I get called out as a liberal. When I point it out to a friend that's a Democrat I get called a Trump supporter. Both sides are equally as guilty.


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Lets be fair, people in general cannot spot a photo shopped photo, regardless of how awful it looks. that's not a partisan issue and anyone with democrat or republican friends on facebook or twitter can verify that.


It's hilarious to me. On a daily basis I see memes from both sides on FB that are so blatantly false it takes an entire 30 seconds to do a fact check and debunk it.

When I point that out to a GOP friend I get called out as a liberal. When I point it out to a friend that's a Democrat I get called a Trump supporter. Both sides are equally as guilty.



I stopped going to Facebook over this. I can't help myself, I WANT to correct them, but even with very clear and succinct debunking they just strawman me into a fury. I can't deal with hyper partisanship and I can't put family on ignore, so I just don't go there anymore.

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Lets be fair, people in general cannot spot a photo shopped photo, regardless of how awful it looks. that's not a partisan issue and anyone with democrat or republican friends on facebook or twitter can verify that.


It's hilarious to me. On a daily basis I see memes from both sides on FB that are so blatantly false it takes an entire 30 seconds to do a fact check and debunk it.

When I point that out to a GOP friend I get called out as a liberal. When I point it out to a friend that's a Democrat I get called a Trump supporter. Both sides are equally as guilty.
oh I agree on that. I have a few "friends" on FB that will post that meme with Obama putting the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Weinstein and Cosby etc, I will comment that its fake then I get "whatever libtard" from the poster. I think its hilarious, because I don't think a person on this board would consider me liberal lol.

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No actually it does in the original post but not in yours. This person is an elected official, you posted a comment from a meme page.


I wasn't taking your post in isolation ... But basing it on "News" stories and posters here posting multiple stories within the last week about such things as random comments from people claiming Charlie Brown being racist, that Trump supporters are sexually insecure and other such tripe. And if you'll forgive me - the OP doesn't try to suggest there are morons on all sides - it is a hatchet job on AOC. If it's more than that - then I didn't read it properly and like your side step on the Guliani gaff on his Twitter posts - I'm not going to go back and spend time reading junk.


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SMH, not even 15 post in and the sexist/cards are being thrown around. Come to think about it, that's actually more than I expected.


Those lesser posters are on ignore. They can't debate so they name call, it's a pathetic tactic to derail from actual debate.


So calling her an idiot is not name calling? Otay. notallthere


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SMH, not even 15 post in and the sexist/cards are being thrown around. Come to think about it, that's actually more than I expected.


Those lesser posters are on ignore. They can't debate so they name call, it's a pathetic tactic to derail from actual debate.


So calling her an idiot is not name calling? Otay. notallthere


If she were a board member I would debate her. She isn't.

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Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.



not sure where she says that



First, she's using fake numbers - or, at a minimum, misleading numbers. From the Wash. Post:

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It’s also worth pointing out that Skidmore’s total covers 17 years (1998 to 2015), whereas the Urban Institute’s $32 trillion estimate for Sanders’s Medicare plan covers 10 years. So the two numbers are not apples-to-apples to begin with.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.989a62ae8023


Skidmore is the Mich. St. econ professor that talked about the 21 trillion in accounting for the number. Which was over 17 years.

Sanders Number (which Cortez cited) of 32 trillion for medicare for all, only accounted for 10 years worth of expenditures.

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It’s also worth pointing out that Skidmore’s total covers 17 years (1998 to 2015), whereas the Urban Institute’s $32 trillion estimate for Sanders’s Medicare plan covers 10 years. So the two numbers are not apples-to-apples to begin with.



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To be clear, Skidmore, in a report coauthored with Catherine Austin Fitts, a former assistant secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development who complained about similar plugs in HUD financial statements, does not contend that all of this $21 trillion was secret or misused funding. And indeed, the plugs are found on both the positive and the negative sides of the ledger, thus potentially netting each other out. But the Pentagon’s bookkeeping is so obtuse, Skidmore and Fitts added, that it is impossible to trace the actual sources and destinations of the $21 trillion.








Now, if the argument is our gov't. can't even track spending, funding, etc? I whole heartedly agree.

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Trump does this exact type of butchering of the facts and it's a week long Trevor Noah skit played out on cable news. How dumb is he, incompetent, unfit for office. Cortez does it.....and they start trying to see the point behind the sloppy analysis. It's a pathetic display of tribalism.

Do I understand the point she is trying to make....YES, the same way I can decipher the points (most times) Trump is trying to make. Even if they are embarrassingly off target, I am not a tribal moron who see's Orange man bad and young woman dumb.

The fact that so many RUSHED to her defense on this is pathetic. The same people incessantly bagging on Trump for the same exact type of "fuzzy math" takes. If you're (not YOU you're) going to be a partisan hack, fine but don't act like you're anything else.

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Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.



not sure where she says that



First, she's using fake numbers - or, at a minimum, misleading numbers. From the Wash. Post:

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It’s also worth pointing out that Skidmore’s total covers 17 years (1998 to 2015), whereas the Urban Institute’s $32 trillion estimate for Sanders’s Medicare plan covers 10 years. So the two numbers are not apples-to-apples to begin with.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.989a62ae8023


What is fake about these numbers? I can understand misleading numbers, which we'll get to in a second, but how is it fake?
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Skidmore is the Mich. St. econ professor that talked about the 21 trillion in accounting for the number. Which was over 17 years.

Sanders Number (which Cortez cited) of 32 trillion for medicare for all, only accounted for 10 years worth of expenditures.


This part of the article was entirely misleading. Sanders has never said the cost of his UNI program would be 30 trillion over 10 years. Bernie has actually said that his plan would cost only 1.25t a year. the 30 trillion number comes from no one in Sander's camp. That number was decided on by a libertarian think tank out of George Mason: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/fe...althcare-system

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It’s also worth pointing out that Skidmore’s total covers 17 years (1998 to 2015), whereas the Urban Institute’s $32 trillion estimate for Sanders’s Medicare plan covers 10 years. So the two numbers are not apples-to-apples to begin with.



Also lost in all of this is:
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To be clear, Skidmore, in a report coauthored with Catherine Austin Fitts, a former assistant secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development who complained about similar plugs in HUD financial statements, does not contend that all of this $21 trillion was secret or misused funding. And indeed, the plugs are found on both the positive and the negative sides of the ledger, thus potentially netting each other out. But the Pentagon’s bookkeeping is so obtuse, Skidmore and Fitts added, that it is impossible to trace the actual sources and destinations of the $21 trillion.








Now, if the argument is our gov't. can't even track spending, funding, etc? I whole heartedly agree.

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I'm actually glad that our DoD does such horrible bookkeeping as it gives them plausible deniability in regards to funding terrorists and narcos.


I find this thread to be entirely misleading. But what can I expect? there's a reason I don't post in this forum anymore. It's just the same 4 people who swear off name calling politicians unless they're Democrats, in which case they consider them subhuman. It's disgusting.

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It's not that the pentagon cant find where the money went it's that they are refusing to do it since it would form them to reveal top secret ops most likely. I seriously doubt they LOST the money.

No one calls them out on it because they know people will die doing it. I promise you that you and your entire family can cease to exist in the blink of an eye if they so desire it.


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It's not that the pentagon cant find where the money went it's that they are refusing to do it since it would form them to reveal top secret ops most likely. I seriously doubt they LOST the money.

No one calls them out on it because they know people will die doing it. I promise you that you and your entire family can cease to exist in the blink of an eye if they so desire it.


If you read the Washington Post article it explains the situation. She is talking out of her ass.

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It amazes me how much this woman scares those on the right already and she hasn't even declared yet. You can always tell how scared they are of someone by how hard they attack them. It's Individual 1's playbook.


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She doesn't scare me, at least no more than the other idiots in our government on both sides. She's just funnier than most of them and the memes crack me up.


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I don't disagree with her ideologies, her attempts at policy/implementation are hilarious and deserve to be mocked.

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Socialist in America - "American wants socialism"

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It amazes me how much this woman scares those on the right already and she hasn't even declared yet. You can always tell how scared they are of someone by how hard they attack them. It's Individual 1's playbook.



rofl She's a card carrying member of the A A M Local 6 7/8... rofl

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I agree with you. She hasn't a clue just like the current person in The White House.


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anybody notice how much conservatives and neoliberals focus on a junior house member as if she's a high level diplomat?

its really weird the obsession they are showing over her.

actually, its getting really creepy, really fast. hasn't even been sworn in yet.


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Just saw this very professional tweet. As much as I think Jr. is a jackass, he's a private citizen.


lol, she must be a member of this board....HEAVILY IMPLIES SOMETHING........I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT


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Not wishing to be argumentative - I think what she said is accurate.

"a member of a body that will have subpoena power in a month."

followed up with

"Congress as a body, GOP included, has the power. No indiv. member can issue a subpoena"

No doubt some right wing stooges saw her tweet and started posting/claiming it was a threat.....

As for the maturity level of the tweet - I agree and don't like it. I don't think it's becoming of someone in public office ... with that said, there is no doubt a movement that are willing and able to respond using the President's own standards .... these two tweets are absolutely nothing compared to the tripe and crap the President has tweeted.


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My biggest beef with my liberal friends is this very issue. You can't rag on Trump for acting like a jackass and then turn around and act the same exact way. You're either above it, or you're complicit. I don't see a gray area in this.

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I'm not going to argue with you on one issue. Hypocrisy is on display all over the political spectrum, no doubt.

But you have - in your last post - implied the posts from AOC are as bad as the tweet storms and crap that Trump as posted. Personally I don't think that's accurate.


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I didn't mean to imply that, they are not the same. I am simply pointing out the same people applauding her, constantly rag on Trump (correctly) for the same things.

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It amazes me how much this woman scares those on the right already and she hasn't even declared yet. You can always tell how scared they are of someone by how hard they attack them. It's Individual 1's playbook.


I don't think she scares anybody. I think she is a idiot. The stuff that comes out of her mouth is funny. She is just dumb like most Liberals, but she doesn't scare anybody.

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It amazes me how much this woman scares those on the right already and she hasn't even declared yet. You can always tell how scared they are of someone by how hard they attack them. It's Individual 1's playbook.


I don't think she scares anybody. I think she is a idiot. The stuff that comes out of her mouth is funny. She is just dumb like most Liberals, but she doesn't scare anybody.


At least she's not a crook.


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breaking news: posters who voted for an idiot and crook in individual 1 calls most liberals idiots.


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She is just dumb like most Liberals


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Socialist in America - "American wants socialism"

Socialist around the world - "we just want water and toilet paper"




The Breitbart guy who spends half his time on this board arguing “oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize this blatantly obvious racist thing I parroted was racist” trying to argue someone - anyone - is dumb is ridiculous and laughable.

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