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For as much as we got criticized for the osweiler trade, I don't think there are many teams who would consider doing it. Though it did yield us Nick Chubb, so guess we win.


Who criticized us? I thought most people applauded the move.


Really? We got made fun of by most of the sports talk shows, both tv and radio


Sorry, I don’t really focus too much on that type of stuff. Most articles I read at the time were pretty favorable.


Bill Polian was the most vocal. He was completely outraged that we we would do something that is done in the NBA. That's not how the NFL works. That's what happens when you have a baseball guy running things.

Then we got mocked for paying osweiler $16 million and he wasn't even on our roster.


I remember people laughing at Polian’s cluelessness. Either way, it was a smart move at the time and is even smarter with hindsight.

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It was a slick move not seen in the NFL. You see it in the NBA and Baseball all the time. Depo and Sashi played that well.

We ended up with Chubb, and what people don't factor is we were probably near the salary floor and had to spend the money somewhere.


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what people don't factor is we were probably near the salary floor and had to spend the money somewhere.


The salary floor is a farce and not an issue for any team ever.

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I would love to have Kingsbury as an offensive coordinator if I were an NFL team. Head coach might be a stretch, but I could easily be talked into it.

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I would love to see Kingsbury on the opposite side of an NFL field with Baker. It might prove to be more entertaining than Hue.


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I'd like to see Kingsbury to go to Arizona and help Rosen reach his potential.

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QBs coached by Kliff Kingsbury:

Case Keenum (Houston 2010-2011)
Johnny Manziel (Texas A&M, 2012)
Baker Mayfield (Texas Tech, 2013)
Davis Webb (Texas Tech, 2013-2015)
Patrick Mahomes (Texas Tech, 2014-2016)

Kingsbury is either extreme lucky, a great coach of QBs, and/or has a great eye for talent (maybe all three).

(Side note: In 2014 Vincent Testaverde played for Texas Tech. I looked him up to confirm it, but yes, his father is who you'd expect. He then transferred to The U for two seasons and then played at the University of Albany for the 2018 season.)

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(Side note: In 2014 Vincent Testaverde played for Texas Tech. I looked him up to confirm it, but yes, his father is who you'd expect. He then transferred to The U for two seasons and then played at the University of Albany for the 2018 season.)


That happened rather quietly.


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Has anyone seen anyone ask for permission to interview Freddie Kitchens for their head coaching job?

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Has anyone seen anyone ask for permission to interview Freddie Kitchens for their head coaching job?


Not other than us.. and it's something I've been looking for, kind of scares me.


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Has anyone seen anyone ask for permission to interview Freddie Kitchens for their head coaching job?



Haven't read a word or heard a word... that's weird


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Kitchens isn't going to get any first round requests. He's only been an OC for half a season.

He might get a request once a team gets turned down by all the big names it was after, but I doubt even that.

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Has anyone seen anyone ask for permission to interview Freddie Kitchens for their head coaching job?



Haven't read a word or heard a word... that's weird


I don't think it's weird at all. Kitchens was a QB coach that took over as interim OC. Before that, I wouldn't be surprised if many teams didn't consider him a hot OC candidate, let alone a HC. There isn't that much of a sample size of Kitchens as OC. I'm not surprised whatsoever that teams aren't clamoring to interview him as a head coach.

Again, I think this HC comes from the outside and the question becomes whether Kitchen remains on as OC or becomes a coordinator elsewhere. I truly don't think HC is in the cards for Kitchens anywhere at this point in time. I think his best shot (relatively speaking) is here in Cleveland.


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I saw on TV a rumor that the Bucs were interested in interviewing Brian Kelly HC Notre Dame


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Has anyone seen anyone ask for permission to interview Freddie Kitchens for their head coaching job?



Haven't read a word or heard a word... that's weird


I don't think it's weird at all. Kitchens was a QB coach that took over as interim OC. Before that, I wouldn't be surprised if many teams didn't consider him a hot OC candidate, let alone a HC. There isn't that much of a sample size of Kitchens as OC. I'm not surprised whatsoever that teams aren't clamoring to interview him as a head coach.

Again, I think this HC comes from the outside and the question becomes whether Kitchen remains on as OC or becomes a coordinator elsewhere. I truly don't think HC is in the cards for Kitchens anywhere at this point in time. I think his best shot (relatively speaking) is here in Cleveland.


What's weird to me is that there is no talk,, no chatter what so ever.

I get what you are saying and I agree with you, I said so in a post earlier this week, But I did expect some chatter, but instead, it's radio silence...

I also thought that they may be thinking that the only reason Kitchens did so well is because of the players he was coaching. Baker sure is the real deal.... Would a team with a lesser QB be interested?


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Special K is worth keeping. Noticed Riley is probably out of consideration for now.


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Here's why Chiefs' Eric Bieniemy is on interview list for Jets, Cards, Bucs and Dolphins


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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Anyone walking near the Kansas City Chiefs’ practice facility during the past six years might have unknowingly heard the man who has suddenly become one of the NFL’s hottest head coaching candidates.

Such is the bass and volume of Eric Bieniemy’s spine-straightening voice that it reverberates hundreds of yards away, prompting a fascinating mixture of chuckles, stares and compliance from all who hear his cornucopia of sayings, many of which range from the mundane — “Finish!” or “Go get it!” or “Go score!” — to the, um, more animated.

“Most of the stuff has cuss words in it,” fullback Anthony Sherman told Yahoo Sports with a laugh.

Players and coaches praise the role Bieniemy has played in helping the Chiefs, the AFC’s top seed at 12-4, finish with the league’s best offense in 2018. Few understand the scope of those contributions, given the presence of likely MVP Patrick Mahomes and coach Andy Reid, who has called plays all season (his past two offensive coordinators who became head coaches, Chicago’s Matt Nagy and Philadelphia’s Doug Pederson, called the plays).

There is a distinct sense that aside from calling plays, Bieniemy does many of the same tasks as those two, while also inspiring devotion from players in the locker room. Add that to the football education he has undergone over the past 18 years as a coach, and it’s easy to understand why teams seeking a new head coach are intrigued by Bieniemy, who sources tell Yahoo Sports has been requested for interviews by the New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals (he ultimately declined), Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Miami Dolphins. The Cincinnati Bengals also expressed interest in talking with Bieniemy.

His potential hire could make him the latest addition to Reid’s vast NFL head coaching tree. To do so, he’ll have to buck the latest trend, which skews toward hiring the next Nagy, Pederson, Sean McVay or Frank Reich, all of whom guided their teams to the playoffs this season and are either a former quarterback or has a history of developing players at that position.

Not that Bieniemy is intimidated by that.

“I’m a football coach,” Bieniemy told Yahoo Sports.

A player’s coach who wields tough love

During his tenure as the Chiefs’ running backs coach from 2013-2017, no position group was consistently yelled at louder, prodded more or coached harder than the Kansas City runners were under Bieniemy. Yet, when Bieniemy was promoted to offensive coordinator in January, you would have been hard-pressed to find a group that was happier for him.

“I love him — he’s the best coach that I’ve ever been around,” said Sherman, who can be prickly and does not suffer fools. “He believes in you, and it helps you believe in yourself, and he’s not a bulls- – – – – – — he’s straight-forward. He’s going to tell you how it is, like it or not.”

Take the way Bieniemy used to grade the running backs’ performance, for instance.

“You might score a touchdown, but if you did three things wrong before you got there, he’s gonna let you know those three things, then give you that, ‘Hey, attaboy,’” Sherman said with a laugh.

Like any good coach, Bieniemy, 49, tends to save his candid thoughts for his players. In front of the media, he is thoughtful but cautious, quick to chuckle and smile while never raising his tone.

If the podium was the only place you saw him, you’d never know the decibels his voice is capable of reaching on the field.

“You hear [his voice] the same amount,” Sherman said. “But the biggest thing is, now everyone else gets to hear it.”

And yes, that includes quarterbacks.

Can he work with quarterbacks?

As a longtime running backs coach, Bieniemy is well-schooled on run-game concepts and pass protections. But when asked specifically about his greatest specialty as a coach, Bieniemy shook his head.

“You know what? It’s offensive football,” Bieniemy told Yahoo Sports in an interview at Chiefs headquarters. “I’ve been fortunate now to coach since 2001, and I’ve been blessed to work with a number of people … so one thing you pride yourself on is not putting yourself in a category.”

Bieniemy’s reticence to put himself in a box makes sense. As a former running back, Bieniemy has never been the quarterbacks coach — unlike the four aforementioned prototypes (Nagy, McVay, Reid and Pederson) — that teams seem to want these days. But as Los Angeles Chargers coach Anthony Lynn — another former NFL running back with a similar resume to Bieniemy’s — proved this season, perhaps that’s not necessary. In Lynn’s second season at the helm, Los Angeles went 12-4 thanks to his leadership and football know-how, two areas where Bieniemy often earns rave reviews.

Along with Reid, Bieniemy visits with Mahomes after every series during games, and he can often be seen giving the quarterbacks instruction during practice. And while quarterbacks coach Mike Kafka runs the tape-watching sessions with the QBs during the week, Bieniemy also pops into those meetings at times.

“We have a lot of plays, but when he comes in — whether it be about protections or the kind of reads [we need to make] — he tries to simplify it and make it as easy as possible for the quarterback,” backup QB Chad Henne explained.

When interviewing with coach-needy teams, Bieniemy will also mention the fact he called plays for two seasons as the offensive coordinator at the University of Colorado, his alma mater. And while the Buffaloes ranked 92nd in total offense in 2011 and 119th in 2012, Bieniemy says he learned a ton, especially when it came to installing gameplans and working with quarterbacks.

“If you know anything about me and what I did at Colorado as the offensive coordinator, people would be shocked and surprised,” Bieniemy said. “People look at me sideways because I’m a running back, and they think I always want to run the ball. No. I understand the importance of the passing game and I understand the importance of making sure we’re pushing the ball down the field.”

Bieniemy says he tried to be inclusive and collaborative, and that’s something he has continued in Kansas City, where Reid calls the plays and Bieniemy has a crucial role in crafting gameplans that have contributed to Mahomes’ MVP-level season.

How the Chiefs’ game planning works

The true power in a team’s offensive play-calling hierarchy lies with the man who is installing and teaching the plays to the team on a daily basis, and in Kansas City, that responsibility has primarily been Reid’s.

Bieniemy doesn’t have the full-time role of play-installer, but it’s worth noting that neither did Nagy or Pederson. Bieniemy installed plays at Colorado, and Reid gives him opportunities to present to the team in a similar way every Friday and Saturday before gameday.

“When you’re installing, you’re talking about every position,” Bieniemy explained, “so you’ve got to know the entire route concept — what we’re putting in the pass game — you’ve got to understand [tight end] splits, receiver splits, coverages, obviously, and how it all ties in. We want to talk about the quarterback’s drop, his reads, the importance of route depth discipline, getting the ball out on time … it’s a number of things.”

Bieniemy has also played a role in formulating the weekly gameplan. Preparation for the next opponent starts with him doing his own tape work then meeting with Reid, where he proposes plays and concepts he likes. If Reid agrees, they are inserted into the gameplan. Eventually, Kafka joins them and the process repeats itself.

“He always allowed me to have input on what he wants to do, and how he wants to do it, and he’s allowed me to be flexible,” Bieniemy said of Reid. “Again, he gets 51 percent of the vote [about the gameplan]. But he allows me to be me, he allows me to present.”

This type of collaboration is not a given in the NFL, especially when the head coach is as accomplished as a play-caller as Reid. Nagy and Pederson have mentioned that it’s part of the secret sauce that has allowed Reid’s massive coaching tree to sprout.

“We have a set plan [with] how many plays we like to have, so when it’s all said and done, there are no hurt feelings,” Bieniemy said. “It’s about the best plan for the team.”

What about his lack of NFL play-calling experience?

Some will surely knock Bieniemy as a candidate due to the fact he hasn’t called plays in Kansas City, unlike his predecessors Nagy and Pederson.

The Chiefs’ killer season could actually hurt Bieniemy, as the only reason Reid relinquished play-calling control to Pederson in 2015 and Nagy in 2017 was due to slumping offenses that needed a jolt. Reid believes in Bieniemy’s ability but he has been hesitant to rock the boat when things have been going so well all season.

“I think you guys know I am a big fan of his,” Reid recently said of Bieniemy. “I think he would be phenomenal [as a head coach].”

If this turns out to be true, some of the credit will go to Reid, who has taught him a ton over the past six years from X’s and O’s to how to teach players and manage people.

The biggest lesson Bieniemy took from Reid — the eighth-winningest coach of all time and second longest-tenured active coach — is how to present himself to his players and fellow coaches. That should help him as he interviews for head coaching jobs in the coming days and weeks.

“Always be who you are,” Bieniemy said. “Sometimes the message can be uplifting, sometimes it may be a little harsh, but I’m about making sure you understand that you don’t take the message personal, because you know the person. We want to hold each other accountable and hold each other up to a higher standard.”

Hence the reason Bieniemy can scream and prod players with that booming voice, and they end up swearing by him anyway. When you’re as passionate about people — and winning — as Bieniemy is, it’s hard not to be.

And while it remains to be seen if he’ll be entrusted to run a team (this year, at least), it certainly didn’t hurt that Bieniemy got an endorsement from Mahomes, the league’s brightest new star, on Monday.

“He’d be an awesome head coach,” Mahomes said. “He has that mindset, that work ethic, and that determination that you need to be a head coach in this league. I know that he’s had the interest and stuff like that … and I’m excited that I still have him right now on this playoff run.”


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I also thought that they may be thinking that the only reason Kitchens did so well is because of the players he was coaching


I agree with you here, I think that is part of it. Still, I think we still need to appreciate his creativity in play-calling (not saying you aren't).


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I thought Bienemy might be on our list with Dorsey


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Kitchens isn't going to get any first round requests. He's only been an OC for half a season.

He might get a request once a team gets turned down by all the big names it was after, but I doubt even that.



Reports out of Knoxville is Kitchens is a target for the Vols OC position.

Makes some sense to me. Go there, get the Vols O humming, then take over for Saben at Bama in a few years. Nick isn't getting any younger. He is 67. How much longer do you think he is going to go? I don't see him being like Paterno, coaching until he is mummified.


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I agree - as I have said before, it's too much of a meteoric rise to go from first time, interim OC, to HC.

And to be honest - I was listening to Cleveland radio today with one of the hosts really gung ho on giving Kitchens the HC gig .... and all I could think of was that Kitchens has been a revelation as a OC and for us Browns fans he has done truly great. But why would you want to take him away from his strength and burden him with a bunch of responsibility that would only take his time and energy and attention away from the one thing we think/know he's really good at? . . . Nope - too much too soon. I'll be delighted to keep him as OC, but I have no interest in him being HC.

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We are interviewing Kevin Stefanski, who was interim offensive coordinator for the Vikings for half a year.

His career actually looks a lot like Kitchens's.


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We are interviewing Kitchens too .... that's fine. But I want neither as HC. I don't know much about Stefanski ... is his resume deeper than Kitchens? Does he have other OC or assistant HC experience? Apparently not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Stefanski

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Everyone who we are interviewing besides Greg were in college when we got a franchise again.

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We are looking for the best guy we can find .... and that's not always the guy with tons of play calling experience, who got "locked into" a coordinator position. Sometimes it's the guy who scrapped and fought his whole career ..... and who can communicate that drive to the players under his coaching. A head coach has to be able to see the big picture. He has to be able to motivate and inspire players. He has to be able to create and enforce the agenda for the team, and he has to be able to enforce discipline. He needs to know when to throw an arm around a player and support him, and when to let him know he's just not getting it done.

Kitchen has seen the good, and the bad, in coaching. He worked under Bruce Arians, who is a high end, quality coach, and learned from him. I think he saw what not to do with Hue Jackson, and then the impact of setting and enforcing standards on the team under Williams.

This guy is a pro's pro. He is experienced in the NFL game. He is a guy I think will be an impact head coach. We'll see if that happens here, this coming year, or not.


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If Dorsey picks Kitchens then it would be a massive endorsement and speak to things he knows and has witnessed that we know nothing of. If he's the guy so be it, I'll be behind him (or whoever it is) 100%.

But from where I'm standing, he'd be an absolute massive roll of the dice and a total unknown quantity. He's been a good OC for half a season... That's not enough in my book to take that chance but i don't know as much as Dorsey. None of us do.


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But from where I'm standing, he'd be an absolute massive roll of the dice and a total unknown quantity. He's been a good OC for half a season... That's not enough in my book to take that chance but i don't know as much as Dorsey. None of us do.


Totally agree... I wonder if Freddie was telling GW .. throw the challenge flag at the end of the game for Nyoku's catch.. I wonder if Freddie was telling GW...there's a minute + left on the clock...It's 3rd and 10..use the last time out to settle down the Offense and get a good plan together...

Those two things really made me question some things...

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The only thing I heard about Kitchens was possibly the OC in Tampa if Arians goes there.

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If Dorsey picks Kitchens then it would be a massive endorsement and speak to things he knows and has witnessed that we know nothing of. If he's the guy so be it, I'll be behind him (or whoever it is) 100%.

But from where I'm standing, he'd be an absolute massive roll of the dice and a total unknown quantity. He's been a good OC for half a season... That's not enough in my book to take that chance but i don't know as much as Dorsey. None of us do.



A lot of these guys are huge rolls of the dice.

Caldwell? Taub? Stefanski? Flores? Eberflus? Campbell? We are evidently trying to catch coaching lightning in a bottle, rather than chasing the latest "sure thing" coordinator.


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I was kinda hoping we would interview Bruce arians.....but so far it doesn't look like that is in the plans


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Agreed.

If the search committee and Haslam are committed to hiring the most polished candidate, then we can just announce McCarthy after his interview. Because regardless of what you think about McCarthy – and I believe he needs a complete reinvention at his next stop – he possesses the most tangible blend of experience and results.

That said, I think Dorsey is searching for skills that translate to head-coaching success, and the rumored candidates support that notion. Now, I don’t know if Kitchens is a charismatic leader that can galvanize an entire locker room, but Dorsey had the opportunity to closely observe him in the second-half of the season. And some senior official in the organization played a role in his promotion to offensive coordinator over the more experienced, proven Al Saunders.

All of that is to say: I don’t know if Kitchens gets the job, but if he doesn’t, I'm confident it won't be because he’s only been an offensive coordinator for eight games.

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The list of candidates weve set up doesn't inspire me all that much, though I have obviously heard of most of them.

JMO, but Williams is not an option for us. Kitchens probably has a better chance, though not likely.

Campbell might be the one. HC experience, respected, good leader, etc.


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I have to ask WHY the guy who just went 5-3 NOT AN OPTION?

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I liked GW much better as a HC than a DC ... he did some really good things ...

I’m much more impressed with what Freddie did with the O ...

There both in the mix ...

Dorsey is leaving no stone unturned ... he KNOWS what he is looking for and wants ... lets see who he chooses based off his knowledge of the league, our team and his instincts ...

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I have no idea who the Browns will hire. I won't even claim to know who the best candidates are.

I have a few opinions, but they really don't mean much. I don't feel strongly enough to debate them, but I'll throw them out there since this is a message board.

--I prefer that we keep our current coaching staff. I don't want the roster to be overhauled to fit new schemes.

--Dan Campbell is the outside candidate that I like the most. I've been reading for years that he is an extremely bright guy and very well respected. He did a good job when he was the interim coach in Miami. He's tough, intelligent, young, energetic, and relates well to the players.

--I respect both Josh McDaniels and Adam Gase. However, I know how brutal the local media and part of our fan base can be when they don't like someone. I dont think hiring either Gase or McDaniels would go over well w/those two groups. Thus, while they are deserving based on their resumes, I hope we go in another direction.

--I don't want McCarthy as our HC. For years, I have talked about how overrated I thought he was. His schemes are stale. He stinks at clock and game management. I don't think he is very bright. I don't see him as a good match for Baker.

That's about it. I'm not very passionate about any of this. I just hope Dorsey chooses the right guy and that the Haslam's let him hire that guy.

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I was just reading the start of an article by Terry Pluto, and he asked "If the Browns don't hire Gregg Williams, should the Bengals?"

Ugh. I hadn't thought of that. Williams might be just what that team needs to turn around, especially if he brought Kitchens with him. crazy


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It doesn't matter who the Bengals hire. They aren't going anywhere.

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The only way Kitchens goes is if the next coach lets him go.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
--Dan Campbell is the outside candidate that I like the most. I've been reading for years that he is an extremely bright guy and very well respected. He did a good job when he was the interim coach in Miami. He's tough, intelligent, young, energetic, and relates well to the players.


I've always heard very good things about Dan Campbell too. He's one of the intriguing ones on my list.

I'm also interested in this Nick Sirianni



Guess i'll just have to have faith in Dorsey


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