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My other team has been a dumpster fire and will remain one until we hire a real GM and Bruce Allen isn't one. Our owner interferes too much and we have more media leaks then the titanic.


As far as Jay goes he's categorically allergic to the run game. We only ran the ball this year because due to injury and mismanagement we lacked the pieces to make his passing game work. Bake would put up huge numbers of Jay was his HC/OC though. I have serious doubts about Jay's ability to lead men though.

Harbs imo is head and shoulders a better coach then Jay.

Don't worry, that isn't going to happen. If Haslam is set on a coach, just interview your minority if his choice isn't a minority candidate, and save yourself a lot of time and money.

I think it is customary that the teams pay for flights, hotels, and meals when they bring someone in for interview.

The teams are trying to sell the team to the coach as much as the coach is trying to sell himself to the team.


So you save roundtrip 1st class fare. One or two nights in a decent hotel, and 2-5 meals per interview, 7-8 people per dinner. Maybe $3-5K per interview.

I know that is chump change in the big picture. Just the cost of doing business for a large corporation, but if the owner knows, why bother? These guys didn't make a billion or three by wasting money needlessly.

Thank you, that's been my point.

Do you mean Jim? Since John is not available?

Our team has had improved discipline, are playing with a ton of motivation, and have been spectacular in making adjustments. None of these things are things Jim Harbaugh is good at. Below average, at best. Ask UM fans.

That's ignoring having professional wrestlers announce our draft picks, or launching a revenge tour next year.

The Browns have no plans to interview Adam Gase, who has interviews lined up with at least 3 teams

Updated 3:22 PM; Posted 2:58 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com,

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Browns have no plans to interview fired Dolphins head coach Adam Gase, who has interviews lined up with at least three other teams for their head coaching vacancy, league sources told cleveland.com.

It’s a surprise, because Browns owner Jimmy Haslam has tried to lure Gase to Cleveland in his last two searches, and Gase comes highly recommended to Haslam from his good friend Peyton Manning, who played for Gase in Denver.

With Gase, 40, set to interview with the Cardinals on Wednesday, and with interviews lined up with two other teams, the Browns are effectively taking themselves out of the running for his services.

The Browns also have not requested permission to interview Canton-area native and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who’s been high on their list in previous searches. The Packers and Bengals have requested permission to interview McDaniels.

In regards to Gase, it’s unknown if bad blood between him and Browns’ receiver Jarvis Landry is a factor in the decision.

When Gase was fired on Monday after going 7-9 this season, Landry tweeted a series of laughing emojis.

After Landry was traded to the Browns in March, he told ESPN that he felt it was a punishment from his former head coach.

“I just felt like, for some reason, Adam [Gase] sent me here to die,” Landry told ESPN.com.

The Browns signed Landry to a five-year, $75 million extension in April, and he’s a cornerstone of their offense. The deal includes $47 million guaranteed, and it would create an awkward situation if the Browns hired Gase, who went 23-25 in his three seasons in Miami.

Gase was the first coach interviewed by Haslam in the previous search in 2016, but he opted to take the Dolphins job instead. In his first season in Miami, he went 10-6 and earned a playoff berth.

But quarterback Ryan Tannehill has been plagued by injuries ever since, and the Dolphins finished 7-9 this year after jumping out to a 3-0 start.

Gase loved Baker Mayfield during the pre-draft process, and the two developed a good relationship, sources said.

Browns GM John Dorsey is leading the coaching search this time around and kicked off interviews Tuesday by talking to interim coach Gregg Williams, who went 5-3.

He will also interview offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens for the head job and has requested permission to interview the following NFL assistants: Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni, Saints assistant head coach Dan Campbell, and Vikings interim offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski.


https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/01...st-3-teams.html

There are rumors that the Ravens might try to trade Harbaugh.

Love VICE GRIPS but *L* at someone else losing there jobs ...

CLASSLESS and EXTREMELY in mature in my eyes ...

Just like with Bake ... wish he hadn’t of done it ... pretty sure i’m Still on team VICE GRIPS just like even though i think Bake’s INMATURE at times .. i’m still on team Bake ..

Please don't let it be Josh McDaniels. We do not need an egotistical lying piece of **** as the next head coach. Players will know he can't be trusted and no one will want to play for a liar.

I liked Gase before he went to Maimi. I think he knows offensive football. But it is clear he was way over his head in Maimi. Anyone what would get rid of Landry to soothe their own ego is not the man for the job.

If I had my choice I'd keep Greg Williams as HC and FK as the OC. Sign them for a two-year deal and see how they do next season. If they stumble then NEXT year hire someone else. If they keep things going in a positive direction then extend them to longer deals...

Unfortunately, that won't happen. This is Dorsey's first chance to hire a Coach and I do not see him standing pat. So I guess I hope that he hires Bruce Arians and he keeps both Williams and Kitchens in place. Our D wouldn't have to be rebuilt in someone else's image and the offense could stay close to what was this year with some new input from BA. I thought BA did a great job in Indy. He got saddled with an ancient Carson Palmer while in Arizona. He has brought young QB's along in the past... tiny, Luck etc.

No matter what happens we can't hire someone that changes the D to a 3-4 again. That would kill us for years to come. Having to learn a new system would be bad enough without making a change like that. We also can't hire someone that is pass happy. We need to run the ball and play a balanced O. I don't want Baker throwing more than 20-25 times a game on average.

Jim was one of the best coaches in the NFL the 4 years he was there. He got fired because he didn't get along with Baalke. Did you see how fast the 49ers went down when he left, or has fast they ascended when he arrived?

You know as well as I do that college and the pros are different. College is more of an show to appeal to recruits. The man can coach though.

You don't know the situation between those two. If Gase really did send him here to hurt his career then I think Landry was justified in feeling good about the firing. If someone tried to destroy my career I'd be dancing a jig if he got fired.

If they don't want him, why should we want him?

I'm kinda partial to tht homespun piece of wisdom:

"Dance with theone what brung ya."

There is a chemistry in CLE the likes of which have not been seen in the NeoBrowns Era. If I found myself in Dorsey's position, I'd be hard-pressed to muck around with a combo that has given fans the most exciting Browns football since 2002.

Someone would have to completely knock me off my feet to risk upsetting this shiny new apple cart. I'm inclined to some version of what we already have, however it may shake out.


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The Browns have been the laughing stock of the league for years. The team's only idenity was that of a loser. Waisted draft picks, multiple coaching failures, no QB.
Now we are on the way up. The team is talented and playing with an attitude. Laughing stock no more. We have our QB.
Why change it up with new coaches brought in?
Keeping Williams and Kitchen makes the most sense.
They have developed team chemistry and a winning attitude.
Give them next year to see if they can continue to build on the job they've started.
The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fense.

Interesting. Now my feelings are confirmed.

Come back at me if u want, but YOU ARE NOT A CLEVELAND BROWNS FAN.

keep doing your PFF statisticians thing.

Seriously. How old are you? Just curious.

In MY WORLD, NO FAN can be a fan of TWO TEAMS.

Always Have Been, Always Will Be....TILL DEATH....

That ain't you, bro. Now take your normal shot.

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 03:44 PM

Browns players confident they can play for any coach after they thrived following midseason changes

Jimmy Watkins
CONTRIBUTOR

The Browns will exit 2018 with fewer questions to answer than they entered with, but a sizable question still looms

Who will coach the team?

Will the Browns retain Gregg Williams and/or Freddie Kitchens? And if not, who will replace them? It’s among the most important choices John Dorsey’s management team will decide during its tenure. After all, the future of the team is at stake.

The players don't quite see it that way, however. In their minds, the Browns’ future rests in their hands, regardless of who’s wearing headsets.

“This is a players’ team,” wide receiver Jarvis Landry said. “Our team is the locker room.”
Landry and his teammates adopted this mentality when the Browns changed coaches midseason. They believed the season was headed in one of two directions. One would lead to more losses and dysfunction, an abject diversion from the goals they’d set early in the season.

The other? To band together and raise their standards. That’s the direction the players chose, and that’s a large reason why the Browns boast one of the most attractive head-coaching destinations in the league.

“We decided that we weren’t going to give in,” center JC Tretter said. “We were gonna give everything we got and do whatever we can to turn everything around.”

For his part, Tretter played through a high ankle sprain for the second half of the season. He never entertained the thought of sitting out because he considered it giving in, and he’d promised his teammates he wouldn’t. Sentiments like that are why emotions poured out of the Browns locker room after Sunday’s loss in Baltimore.

Veteran guard Joel Bitonio said the end of every year is emotional, especially when a team loses its last game. This year’s emotions stemmed from different origins, though. A group of teammates that considered each other family knew that their family would change next season. This exact group would never be replicated.

Dorsey took note of the emotions flowing through the locker room. He saw an exhausted group. But the investment that led to the exhaustion is what gives him great faith that the Browns will excel under whoever is named the next coach.

“It was a little emotional after last night’s game, but there were strength of men in that locker room,” Dorsey said. “And there is nothing better than the strength of the men in that locker room to lead those younger players and lead this organization. They are looking forward to 2019 and they will set that bar very high for themselves as well, and that is all you can ask for.”

So when next year rolls around, the returning Browns will be challenged with recreating that bond with a new batch of teammates. Those new teammates won’t share the experience that this year’s group shared, but they’ll be introduced to a new coach, just like the 2018 Browns were midseason.
And the 2018 Browns know how to navigate that situation.

“We play for (our teammates),” defensive end Myles Garrett said. “Keeping that same mentality from this year to next year, and we’ll be able to hold firm through whatever happens through the offseason.”


https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...hrived-followin

Don’t care dawg .. CLASS andacting inmature aren’t SITUATIONAL THINGS for me ...

He can feel good ABOUT IT ... HE WOULDNT BE HUMAN if he didn’t ... crap .... scream for joy and rip him all u want with your family and friends ...

Publically .... naaaa ... no thanks ...

Difference of opinion is all ...

Landry had his conflicts with Gase .. and has said that Gase used to threaten players with trading them to Cleveland as discipline. Sounds as though he picked that up from Belichick .. who traded Collins here, but said he wanted to do better than Cleveland for Garropolo.

So .. to me.. whatever bad can happen to either of them .. can not be bad enough. Do not want Gase here.

Dawg ... all i can say to U is this ...

Make sure your in good enough shape to make that swim REGARDLESS of who we hire as HC ...

And i have a feeling .. basedoff what i’m Reading today ... that KING JOHN will not be trumped by the THIEF and his misses ....

The tea leaves are pointing in that direction based off the two pieces of info that IF they are are true ...

The THIEF was linked to Gase and Josh for his last hire or two ...

IF

- Gase has 3 interviews set up all ready ... IF the thief wanted him one of those three would be with us IMO ... makes no sense to be 4th in line ...

- NO CONFIRMATION we’ve even requested an interview with Josh at this stage ... timeline on him doesn’t give us as much INFO as he won’t make a decision til after the Pats are eliminated ... i know he has at least 1 interview set up with the Pack i believe all ready ..

IF those things are true ... ITS A GREAT SIGN FOR US ...

Make sure u got your “aqua” man skills up to snuff ...

I may even join u for the swim ...

Coach Lincoln Riley agrees to extension with Oklahoma

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...klahoma-sooners

Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley has signed an extension to remain with the Sooners.

Riley was expected to be a hot name on the NFL coaching market, but things had been trending this way for several days. At least for one more year, the 35-year-old will not be making the jump to the big leagues.

Source: Oklahoma Football on Twitter

THANK GOD

And this My Friends, is exactly what I had in mind all these years when I preached about 'culture.'

We have a ringside seat to this transformation. That will be our reward for faithful support all these years. When nooba and wagon-riders come aboard (and you know they will), we will always know a satisfaction that's ours and our alone.

Let the next chapter begin.


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THANK YOU LORD!!!

HAPPIEST OF NEW YEARS......

YES

Diam,

Lay it on me!

Week 1: PIT(9-6-1): Tie
Week 2: NO(13-3*): Lose by 3
Week 3: NYJ(4-12): Win by 4
Week 4: OAK(4-12): Lose by 3
Week 5: BAL(10-6*): Win by 3
Week 6: LAC(12-4*): Lose by 24
Week 7: TB(5-11): Lose by 3
Week 8: PIT(9-6-1): Lose by 15
———Hue and Todd Fired——-
Week 9: KC(12-4*): Lose by 16
Week 10: ATL(7-9): Win by 12
Week 11: BYE
Week 12: CIN(6-10): Win by 15
Week 13: HOU(11-5*): Lose by 16
Week 14: CAR(7-9): Win by 6
Week 15: DEN(6-10): Win by 1
Week 16: CIN(6-10): Win by 12
Week 17: BAL(10-6*): Lose by 2

Above is Browns opponents, their final record for season. I put a * if that team made playoffs. Also put the win/loss margin for score. Unfortunately only have 8 games to go off with GW. The team was obviously much much better once the change was made. That being said, I’d feel more comfortable if GW had been able to get a win against one of those playoff teams. Beating up on other bad teams is good but isn’t going to get the Browns to the super bowl. I am in favor of keeping GW, I just can see how they might want to look elsewhere too. But now that they did win some games it’s hard to want to blow it up.

Sooners aren’t messing around, they want to keep Riley.

No need bro ... u must have missed it ... one day when u took a shot at Vers i cancelled the bet ... it must have got deleted or u didnt see it ... i said it and i’m A man of my word ...

If u wanna do it anyway ... let me know ... i’ll Give u one ...

It would have been sumptin along these lines ...

Things are looking bright in C-town ... its great to be a DAWG FINALLY .... don’t mess with Diam ... next time he might not be so nice ...

Sumptin along those lines dawg ...

I’m actually not a douche .. i just act like one on here sometimes ... and i’m Working on that as I’m not PROUD OF IT ...

HAPPY NEW YEAR to u and yours Rish ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOoooooooooo ...

I’m soooooooooo excited dawg ... can u tell ... *LOL* ..

Rumor has it U guys have a real good Defensive class coming in ... if true .. OH VEY .. in that conference if u can play D u can get into the playoffs pretty much every year ...

Riley fired Mike Stoops mid year because of that defense. So I’m anxious to see what he’s got in mind, because he has to have something in mind for that porous D. Doing this now also helps alleviate the fears some recruits might have in signing if they think Riley won’t be here.

I only take shots at people who launch the first grenade or just deserve it in general.



Don't take this the wrong way but it's not hard not to be a douche. It's just a conscious decision. Just don't do it.

Happy New Year to you and the entire board. Your present is below. I am also a man of my word, and I did not see the cancellation post you mentioned.

I agree you got to beat the best to be the best...But I really enjoyed the ones they won...after the last 2 seasons these were like baby steps... but the team is growing up real fast...

I’m gonna tweek it a bit ... same theme .... just wanna come up with sumptin better for our future ...

I agree .. its real easy not to be a douche .. not even close to being one accept for my behavior on here ...

There’s “excuses” for it ... but end of the day ... i type the words out .. regardless of whats said to me ... i control what I type ...

When i first came here way back in the beggining ... i was attacked unmercifully cause i said policy would suck here ... wasnt a popular opinion a year before teh first snap was taken but i knew what he did in Frisco ...

Like u .. i attack back when someone else lobs the first grenade ... back then .. grenades coming my way were in every post ... at one point ... the season hadn’t even started yet and they took a vote to kick me off the board cause i was a PESSIMIST ... *LOL* ...

It was bad ... i got in the habit of biting back ... PROBLEM IS .... i let that define me and become how i acted on here .... and since then ... i just rode with it ... so 17 of the 18 years or so of being a DOUCHE IS ON ME .... ..

There are times when its justified still IMO ... but that dont excuse MOST OF THE TIMES ..

I’m working on it ... appearantly no one else is noticing ... *LOL* ..

GOOD TIMES AHEAD BRO ...

I’m gonna get to Vegas in the next 24 months come hell or high water .... would like to shake your hand when i do if your interested ....

Two things...

1. I've noticed the effort. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2. Let me know anytime you're in town. If it's during football season, I'll take you to a Browns bar to watch the game. Lady I work with is the VP of the Browns Backers here. I'll take you to her bar where they watch the games. I always watch at home on the ticket but I need an excuse to get out to the bar with some other Browns fans. There are a ton of Browns fans in Vegas.

Anytime your in town let me know. That goes for anyone on the board who would like to meet up.

Speaking of which, cfrs, we should meet up to tailgate for the Phoenix game. Probably be going down with my cousin and my dad. My cousins buddy has season tickets. We'll probably snatch those up and tailgate with his group. Did it last time and it was a blast. Good group of fans down there. You and whoever you bring would be welcome to join us.

Mike Silver sounds like an absolute idiot in that video.

j/c:

I think it's a mistake to speak w/conviction when you don't know the real truth.

For example:

--People are saying Josh McDaniels is an arrogant, blankety blank. That isn't true. I know his dad real well and Josh was a hard-nosed player who did things the right way to move up the chain in the NFL. He's a really bright guy and is not the arrogant, piece of crap that some say he is.

--Harbuagh is a good coach. People are saying the Ravens don't want him. Is that really true? I heard they want to keep him. The kicker is that JH hasn't signed that contract yet and may want to explore other options. Then again, he may not. I don't know............but, you guys don't know either.

--Everyone who doesn't agree w/certain people sounds like an absolute idiot. LOL

More objectivity and less subjectivity would be a welcome change.

Definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.
He is, nonetheless- a tool.

Mike McCarthy - C - Free Agent

The Browns will interview ex-Packers coach Mike McCarthy for their head-coaching vacancy Thursday.

McCarthy has also been linked to the Jets and Bucs but has turned down the Cardinals. Despite wearing out his welcome in Green Bay, McCarthy seems like a good bet to land another head job right away.

Related: Browns

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter Jan 1 - 9:18 PM

DANG IT ....

Outstanding!


https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/01...st-3-teams.html

Why is that outstanding?

He's probably the brightest guy available.

I am not saying I want him to our coach, but why is outstanding?

Now do you see why I've been slow-walking this optimism thing?
This is an extremely sensitive period of time, and I'm as nervous as a ho in church this off season.

This is the only team that historically has more drama during the off season than anything produced on the field from Sept. thru Dec. For almost two decades, 76 Berea has been a soap opera set with a football team attached. 20 years.

Every two or three years (sometimes only one) 'Real Housewives of 76 Groza' goes down... and CLE fans are again left bereft. And here we are again... forced to make changes at the positions that should be most stable (players come and go- coaches should rotate out more slowly).

When I get on this subject, I can barely breathe. Disorder and chaos drive me nuts. This coaching hire is the single most important thing since 1999... and although I've been impressed with Dorsey's acumen and professionalism, it's hard to relax just yet. Because in CLE, dysfunction is never more than one or two disagreements away. That's the culture that has plagued this place for an entire generation.

Dorsey's got to get this right. And 'getting it right' will involve a healthy dose of reading character. And people are unpredictable.

FWIW - I remember Diam saying something along the lines of, I won't do a sig bet, but I'll still bet you for pride, or something like that. But good to know that we have at least 2 standup guys here

I am loving the word invention; nooba = plural of noobie. I don't know of you invented it or picked it up somewhere, but it's new to me and I like it!