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Dawg... my apologies.

I gotta come clean, at the risk of losing some 'wordsmith cred.'

I wish I could take credit for 'Nooba,' but I can't.
'Nooba'.... is all yours, My Dawg.


I'm a "poke at the keyboards" type poster.
That word that so impressed you... was a Clem-DOOOH!© typo.
A total error in marksmanship.

For awhile now, I've been talking about a possible influx of wagon-jumping fans. I've been referring to them as "Noobz" (stylized form of 'newbies').

I meant to poke at a 'z', and poked an 'a' instead.

Truth be told: Your assessment of my (supposed) word usage indicates just how literate and clever you are.


Another Browns fansite I visit has an emoji of a li'l stick figure guy doing the "we're not worthy" bended knee bow. If I knew how to import that emoji, I'd attach it to this response.

I respect the way your mind works.

The fact that you know the alt code for © belies your protestations of keyboard inadequacy, but I do buy that what I took as invention was in fact a typo...but a good one. Been there, done that.

John not Jim.

I agree w/he importance of this hire. Sadly, a wrong decision could ruin any optimism built this year

Disregard that Lil tangent, Ed.

That wasn't cool on my part. I was irritated at the time.

Sorry Dawg.

Who doesn't know © and ®?

Man, I learned those years ago .... and they are the only 2 I remember.

I’ve ALWAYS and still do understand dawg ... getting burnt is a lesson that stays with someone a long time ... ya’all been burnt repeatedly ... this will be my first time IF it happens and i DON’T SEE IT HAPPENING ...

And Dawg .... this aint a race to the Isle ... everyone gets to go at there own pace ... i'm not pushing u, i prefer to look at it as encouraging u ... *L* ....

i said it in my initial optimism thread ... i’ve NEVER had high expectations for this team ... not since the year we made the playoffs ... thats the only time i had pretty much any positive expectations at all ...

There’s ALOT OF REASONS why this HIRE is DIFFERENT

- trust is EARNED ... has King John earned your trust? ... IF NOT CONSIDER it from the THIEFS point of view ... IMAGINE IN THE INTERVIEW the things KJ would say he would do for the dawgs ... his “promises” sort of speak ...

SINCE THEN ...

- builds his FO staff ....
- acquires talent via FA and the draft .... and KNOCKS IT OUT OF THE PARK ..
- may have been the catalyst for a mid-season coaching change ... we’ll NEVER know IMO ...
regardless ...
- aquired enough talent to turn the CULTURE OF THE FRANCHISE AROUND ...

we won some games but if thats what your focusing on ... YOUR MISSING THE BOUNCING BALL ... This is a NEW GAME bro ... the BUILDING HAS CHANGED ... not only does it finally have quality nfl talent in it has a new culture ...

He’s a THIEF and he’s been the worst owner in the history of sports IMO ... he also wants to WIN and we know he loves money ....

With our track record with him as owner .... with the buzz in the media ... with the prime time games were about to get ... WITH A MEANINGLESS WEEK 16 HOME GAME SOLD OUT and the BUZZ IN C-TWON ...

Do u honestly think the THIEFS EGO is that big that he would NOT TRUST KJ with this hire? ...

Seriously dawg ... thats all it takes for me is to know we got the guy KJ wanted ...

I would have been reluctant if we hired Riley ... i will be SKEPTICAL if we hire Josh or McCarthy ... BUT at the end of the day ...

KJ has earned my TRUST and I don’t see how he hasn’t earned the thiefs and he’s also made decisions that are going to put BIG BUCKS in the THIEFS POCKET ...

And the THIEF UNDERSTAND MONEY ....



Still not a bad idea .. matter of fact .. lets throw the toes in just in case ... ...

Take your time dawg .... just get to the Y and get in the pool .... make sure your ready dawg ...

Happy New Year to U and yours Mr. Clem ....

You used an acronym for a nickname you came up with. That's great!

You're gonna confuse a lot of people if you start using your acronyms of KJ or VG. Funny stuff.

Ok, makes more sense. Didn't know he was an option.

If any one of us invested over a Billion dollars in a business, we'd damned sure be in the mix when hiring a person in an impactful role.

But in this case, I don't see Haslam doing anything other than expressing his opinion, (has every right to do) and then signing off on what his GM wants.

I'm not sure where you got the nervous thing? I didn't see it at all.

He probably isn’t for us. He is under contract for next year with the Ravens. There have been rumors of them trading him, but I doubt they’d trade him within the division.

Not sure he's a real option either. But I've read reports that anything from Harbaugh might leave to Harbaugh might get traded for picks to Harbaugh might be extended and given more front office control.

But, IF he is available I think he would be the best HC out there. And he could probably come in and allow Freddy to stay on....maybe even Gregg

On a lesser scale, you just bought a pizza shop for 100k because you've always wanted to own a pizza shop. So... you've decided you'll do the pizza baking and assembly because you want to be hands on. Your pizzas are terrible and people aren't buying them... you hire a guy who shows you what it takes to make a pizza. He's selling tons of pizzas. As a business man, do you step aside and let that guy continue to make your pizzas or do you push him aside and try to make your own pizza because it's fun and doesn't look that hard...

I guess it depends if you just want to play in the pizza dough and don't care if anyone buys your pizza or if you really want to sell a lot of pizzas and make this guy in charge of your pizza shop.

Do we have an owner who just wants to play or do we have an owner who wants to make it work? Time will tell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Munchak

Coaching career[edit]

Houston / Tennessee Oilers / Titans[edit]

In 1994, only one year after retiring as a player, Munchak joined the Houston Oilers staff as an offensive assistant/quality control coach. In 1997 Munchak was named offensive line coach of the newly relocated Tennessee Oilers, a position he held for the next fourteen seasons. Following Jeff Fisher's departure as head coach, Munchak was named head coach of the Titans on February 7, 2011. The 2011 season marked his 30th season with the organization. The 2013 season, Munchak's third as head coach, yielded a record of 7–9. That offseason, franchise CEO Tommy Smith and general manager Ruston Webster requested that Munchak replace at least six assistant coaches. Munchak disagreed with some of these requests and refused to fully enact those changes in his staff.[3] Munchak was consequently relieved of his position on January 4, 2014.[4]

Pittsburgh Steelers[edit]

The 2014 season marked the first season since 1982 that Munchak had no involvement (as a player or coach) with the Oilers/Titans franchise. Munchak eventually became the offensive line coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers. In a 2016 NFL playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals, Munchak yanked Bengals player Reggie Nelson's hair, drawing a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. He was subsequently issued a $10,000 fine by the NFL for the incident that was later rescinded after it was determined that the incident was inadvertent.

Head coaching record[edit]
Team Year Regular season Post season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
TEN 2011 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC South – – – –
TEN 2012 6 10 0 .375 3rd in AFC South – – – –
TEN 2013 7 9 0 .438 2nd in AFC South – – – –
TEN Total 22 26 0 .458 – – – –
Total 22 26 0 .458 – – – –

I believe Munchak coached the titans for a few years. I feel like he was around .500 most his career but I'd have to look it up to be certain.



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I like the analogy.

I think we have an owner that wants to make it work but worry that he doesn't have the introspection or the self control to stay out of the way.

Ranking the 2018 coaching vacancies
Posted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2019, 11:46 AM EST


No. 1: The Browns.

There’s a sizable gap between No. 1 and the rest. This could be the most attractive opening of the past decade, if not longer. And the presence of Baker Mayfield, plus the absence of any real accomplishments since the franchise rejoined the NFL in 1999, makes it a must-have job. Throw in a talented nucleus of young players and plenty of cap space, and the job gets even better. The only drawbacks are that expectations actually may be higher than desirable for 2019, and the potential for meddling by ownership.

*click link to read about the rest...
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/02/ranking-the-2018-coaching-vacancies/

#2. Packers
#3. Jets
#4. Bucs
#5. Broncos
#6. Cards
#7. Dolphins
#8. Bengals

Ronald McDonald shoulda never bought a freakin pizza shop!

Yes, I hire an experienced Pizza chef, I watch and learn. But in the end, I wanna buy Brand X Sausage and he says his experience says, brand Y is better, I'm going with his decision.

I don't see it that way at all. We will keep it to the pizza shop. You want to invest $100,000 and buy a pizza shop. You hire a firm to find you available pizza shops.

The hired firm comes back and says, here is your pizza shop.

You ask them if there are any others and you are told, nope, this is your pizza shop. You don't need to taste it, you don't even need to see it, this is the one you are going to buy.

I doubt the sale went through.

Have we interviewed anyone that meets the Rooney rule requirement?

We have requested an interview with Brian Flores and might have interviewed Jim Caldwell.

Caldwell is an interesting option ... I'd be more open to him than many on the list.

ORIGINAL POLL - 30 VOTES:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1577463/1

Is it worth a new poll with more names added?

I don't know, we will squeak one in there somewhere.

To the Browns credit, we have been leaders in hiring minorities, both in the coaching staff and front office.

We are also reportedly interviewing Eric Bieniemy. (a 1st time coordinator, though Reid still calls plays)

I’m assuming we will interview him, but I haven’t seen anything linking us to Bieniemy at this point.

ESPN linked us to him earlier in the process, but you are right that we don't appear to have set up any interviews with him. (yet, anyway)

j/c:

I am not a fan of Caldwell. Trust me, you guys will hate his game management and play calls in the red zone and at the end of the half and the game.

I'm just not excited about this coaching search at all..I said it in another thread... If you can't hire the first guy your interested in..then go after the second guy..If you can't hire him ..Then it's nothing more than reaching and filling the spot.

I thought I would be more interested in the process going on..I found myself totally uninterested...

I agree 110%... Caldwell would be a downgrade even compared to Hue. I have no confidence in his coaching ability, and I don't think his personality would mesh well with Baker.

Even compared to Hue!?!??!??

Can't let it go....

I'm tending to lean this way a little too... I'm really not too sure I believe that you can really know what you are getting based on the interview process and would have hoped that Dorsey kinda sorta knew who his main target was - wither on the current staff or from outside - and targeted 2 or maybe 3 guys. I've hired plenty of people and some interview really well - but don't end up being as good as their interview. Others don't necessarily interview great but then produce the goods when in the job. So my *hope* was that Dorsey either really liked someone (like he did with Baker) or knew someone that was a viable candidate. Interviewing a 'hot' coordinator that you know relatively little of except what you learn through the interview must have a lot of room for misreading the candidate.

I understand wanting to do some due diligence but it seems like we have some interviews that are for the sake of it. What's the total count now if you include Kitchens and Williams?

All I know is, if Jimmy has the final say we're doomed again. Jimmy has done little to nothing right other than Joe Thomas and Garret and so far (one season doesn't make a career) Mayfield, Ward and Chub.

Jimmy needs to stay as far away from decision making as possible when it comes to NFL football. Thanks for your investment but stick to soccer for managing and decision making Jimmy.

Marvin Lewis is available. Probably Hugh Jackson again, too. LOL

Ive heard that we have no intentions of interviewing Bieniemy.

I find that interesting.

I agree on Caldwell, although he's done a lot of good things. People forget he led a team to the Super Bowl albeit with a HOF quarterback... we obviously could do worse. And although I have no idea who would be better, I'd feel more comfortable with McCarthy.