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How can anyone be a downgrade from Hue's record LOL

Is this weather related?

I’m curious how long all this will take. I’m sure everyone is a mix of anxious and making sure they get the right guy. Given how good this job is now, I’m pretty unimpressed with the candidates

The options seem to be pretty underwhelming. I wonder if we could have gotten Matt Nagy last year. . .

With that said, Freddie Kitchens is a pretty legit candidate and I would love to have him.

j/c

Here's what I find to be the funniest part in all of this. For all we know the target of the coaching search could be someone in the playoffs. Yet some fans are "not excited".

Just stop and think for a moment. Can you imagine how much fans would go bonkers if we weren't conducting any interviews? You would be hearing fans screaming about the lack of effort from this FO. How they're not doing their due diligence.

And when they set up several interviews you get a poor reaction out of some fans as well. It seems to be a no win situation no matter what they do.

Dorsey did a great job of hiding his intentions in the draft process. There's no reason to believe he isn't doing the same thing here. The current interviews could be nothing more than a smoke screen while waiting to interview his prime target that might be coaching in the playoffs.

Except we’ve already requested interviews/have interviewed guys in the playoffs.

I really have no idea. I'm just as in the dark about this process as everyone else is. lol

Here are a couple of things I do know.......

Dorsey had a definite plan for the #1 pick in the draft. He kept it close to the vest and had everyone guessing as to what his intentions were to the very last minute.

Dorsey has been in this league for a very long time and has connections all across the league. He has the inside scoop on coaching talent.

Those two things being considered, it would amaze me if he doesn't know who is #1 and #2 target for the job are. IMO, everything else we're seeing is nothing more than a smokescreen.

Is it me or are there no names that are ringing my bell?

Interesting, yet I don't see a single quote from any Browns player.

You are't alone

It's probably being put on front burner because we don't want to see guys starting to take positions.

i wouldn't want any offensive coach from the vikings. defensively, sure.

Except that they delayed the McCarthy interview to move it up. Weird.

Tea leaves tell me we wanted to interview dude before someone else hired him ..

Thats just pure speculation but it is logical ...

He’s out of contract with the Vikings, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up as our offensive coordinator.

Smart. But also puts Kitchens in a bad spot if the new coach doesn’t want him.

Eh, I doubt it. We've probably got the best position available right now. I can't see some coach passing up an interview because some other team made an offer right away.

Thanks. That changes things quite a bit for me.

Trusting in Dorsey to make the right choice

He doesn't have to worry about being in a bad spot because Kitchens will be the next Browns head coach.

So are they going to bring a guy in and force Fredd on him? Is there someone identified who has said, "Fredd is my guy"? If Fred is given the OC job then I look for either a D minded coach or someone who will delegate both O and D to coordinators and just steer the ship. They surely can't bring a guy in who butts heads with Kitchens.

I think there is a good chance Kitchens is the guy himself.

I am underwhelmed. Just a crapshoot on a new guy.

I was just about to post something like this from NFL.com.

Thanks

Well that's just factually false, and probably the funniest thing I heard in years.

Browns players confident they can play for any coach after they thrived following midseason changes
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Jimmy Watkins
CONTRIBUTOR


The Browns will exit 2018 with fewer questions to answer than they entered with, but a sizable question still looms

Who will coach the team?

Will the Browns retain Gregg Williams and/or Freddie Kitchens? And if not, who will replace them? It’s among the most important choices John Dorsey’s management team will decide during its tenure. After all, the future of the team is at stake.

The players don't quite see it that way, however. In their minds, the Browns’ future rests in their hands, regardless of who’s wearing headsets.


“This is a players’ team,” wide receiver Jarvis Landry said. “Our team is the locker room.”

Landry and his teammates adopted this mentality when the Browns changed coaches midseason. They believed the season was headed in one of two directions. One would lead to more losses and dysfunction, an abject diversion from the goals they’d set early in the season.

The other? To band together and raise their standards. That’s the direction the players chose, and that’s a large reason why the Browns boast one of the most attractive head-coaching destinations in the league.

“We decided that we weren’t going to give in,” center JC Tretter said. “We were gonna give everything we got and do whatever we can to turn everything around.”

For his part, Tretter played through a high ankle sprain for the second half of the season. He never entertained the thought of sitting out because he considered it giving in, and he’d promised his teammates he wouldn’t. Sentiments like that are why emotions poured out of the Browns locker room after Sunday’s loss in Baltimore.


Veteran guard Joel Bitonio said the end of every year is emotional, especially when a team loses its last game. This year’s emotions stemmed from different origins, though. A group of teammates that considered each other family knew that their family would change next season. This exact group would never be replicated.

Dorsey took note of the emotions flowing through the locker room. He saw an exhausted group. But the investment that led to the exhaustion is what gives him great faith that the Browns will excel under whoever is named the next coach.

“It was a little emotional after last night’s game, but there were strength of men in that locker room,” Dorsey said. “And there is nothing better than the strength of the men in that locker room to lead those younger players and lead this organization. They are looking forward to 2019 and they will set that bar very high for themselves as well, and that is all you can ask for.”

So when next year rolls around, the returning Browns will be challenged with recreating that bond with a new batch of teammates. Those new teammates won’t share the experience that this year’s group shared, but they’ll be introduced to a new coach, just like the 2018 Browns were midseason.

And the 2018 Browns know how to navigate that situation.

“We play for (our teammates),” defensive end Myles Garrett said. “Keeping that same mentality from this year to next year, and we’ll be able to hold firm through whatever happens through the offseason.”

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...hrived-followin

Honestly, I wouldn't want to hire a guy that doesn't want Kitchens "forced" on him. He's probably the hottest OC in the league right now, and already has rapport with the team's franchise QB. Why would an incoming coach want to squander that? And if he does, why would we want to hire him?

The one thing that I hung on the most to Dorseys most recent presser is this.

He said that once he interviews his next HC, he'll know they are the right one immediately.

That didn't give an exact ringing endorsement for either Kitchens or Williams, or that they had even a slight chance of getting the job. He's been working with them both all year, and even more so once Hue got fired. The product they put on the field is arguably the best since 99. Give them a chance!

And side note. If Gregg Williams did receive the spot, do you all think he would want to keep Kitchens? And Vice Versa. Would Kitchens even want to keep Williams?

Kitchens won't be interviewed till next week, so I don't see any problems for him in this regard.

I do think that Dorsey will still see the process through. Maybe he has a guy he thinks is the right coach for the Browns, only to be completely blown away by a later interviewee.

Williams is not going to be back next year in any capacity.

Why is that? His stock seems to have plummeted...a lot of people that were high on his chances have changed their tune lately.

Josh McDaniels very interested in Browns job

By Steve Doerschuk, Canton Repository sports writer


Josh McDaniels is eager to state his case for a second chance to be a head coach, and the Browns are squarely on his radar. He also is on theirs.

Bill Belichick used Cleveland as a priceless training ground to build an NFL empire in New England.

The prospect of Josh McDaniels leveraging Belichick’s school of schools to land in Cleveland is more intriguing than ever.

McDaniels is enthusiastically interested in the Cleveland opening. The Browns have used back channels to indicate a mutual preliminary interest, but they have not invited him to an early interview. The Green Bay Packers did, and he said yes.

Browns General Manager John Dorsey has been good at cloaking what he is up to, including in the eyes of some obvious candidates. However, indications are that McDaniels is a very serious candidate.

There have been times the Browns had to pull teeth to interest coaches and free agents. This is different.

The team went 0-16 in 2017. In the wake of improving to 7-8-1 in Dorsey’s first year as GM, their situation is viewed as the best among teams with openings. Pro Football Talk, for example, opined that second place isn’t close, but the perception exists among plenty of coaches, not just media analysts.

Baker Mayfield, an emerging roster, salary cap room galore, Dorsey, and an improving view of ownership are among Cleveland’s assets.


https://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20190103/josh-mcdaniels-very-interested-in-browns-job

I can't think of a single reason why Williams wouldn't keep Kitchens or vice versa .... we might be over thinking this a bit while we go stir crazy waiting and looking at the interviewees !

I agree it doesn't feel as if Williams is going to get the job. I'm a bit disappointed with that but Dorsey seems to firmly be in 100% control of this ... I trust him.

McDaniels? Really will have to take a week or two to digest that if it happened .... from a folklore / good story perspective it would kind of be poetic if he came here from the PAts and mirrored the success the Belichick had going to the Pats .... but .... yeah, I don't see it!

Josh McDaniels, interested in Browns job...until he's not. Then he bails.
His trustworthiness went down in my eyes.