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Both Colts coordinators are intriguing - Sirianni on offense and Eberflus on defense. Though I don't know enough about either to through support behind them.

I think if the weird stuff with the Colts didn’t happen, he’s the obvious choice. But it did happen and now he’s not even going to get an interview.

If it was me I'd still choose Williams and keep him and Kitchens in tact ... but the time this is taking and the number of candidates they are interviewing - just makes it seem like it's not GW. Don't know that posters have changed their opinions or just assuming it's not GW.

I want the coaching staff to remain the same. I am doubting more as time goes on that it will.

I don't see McDaniels fitting well with Baker. I think he's a good coach, but don't think their personalities mesh. Though, I guess he and Brady have shouting matches on the sideline and it works out okay there.

I'd be okay with Campbell, but not ecstatic about it. I need to watch some of those Miami games when he was the interim. "They" talked up a week 17 win over New England, but Vollmer and Chandler Jones were hurt and LaFell and Martin were Brady's starting receivers. I'm watching it now. Landry should have good insight on him. If he kept Kitchens, I'd be more amenable. I'd be curious which direction he'd go at the coordinators. I'm not that tied to Williams as DC. I kind of like him better as HC than DC.

What do you think of Munchak, Vers? His record with the Titans was not the greatest, but those were some underwhelming rosters. The OL seems to be what makes the Steelers Offense go, and Dorsey seems to be a trenches guy.

I wonder if we could pry Eberflus away from the Colts for DC since he was a McDaniels guy and not necessarily Reich's choice. Though, his results may have made him Reich's guy now. The Colts D was flying around last week (Jabaal Sheard more lumbering around-he seems to have...bulked up). Eberflus has those Browns ties.

I've heard McDaniels wouldn't get any HC interviews for a while, but I wonder how many people forget that Belichick resigned via napkin from the Jets after he was soon to be announced as their head coach. Things worked out, I'd say.

I wonder if Patriots fans are still leery of Belichick.

I don't know that I agree. I would think their personalities would mesh very well.

I think the lack of endorsement by the players was telling. Did they like and respect Gregg? I think so. Did they enjoy playing for him? I think so too.

But I found it odd how the players pretty much took responsibility for their turnaround and didn't seem to overly praise the coaches or pine for them to stay.

This also tells me it's Baker's team. They go like he goes moreso than the coaches.

I like Munchack. I even talked about hiring him years ago for one of our many HC opportunities. I can't remember which one. LOL

He's 58 and I think I want someone younger, but again, I'm trusting Dorsey on this one. I will say that I think Munchack is an awesome OL coach. I love how the Steelers trap block.

Very good points. I agree.

Report: Josh McDaniels, Browns Jimmy Haslem share mutual interest

1) got to find a way to keep Kitchens

2) making Gregg HC seems like the best way to keep the band together

3) outside HC should be defensive minded or special teams focus to avoid having too many hands in the soup on offense

I love how Dorsey is casting a large net for this hire.

Seems much..Interviewing these guys may also be for other options if the new HC is looking for a staff to put in place... Also I feel these interviews will help him down the road if he needs to put someone else in place..

If this is the #1 priority, and I might agree with you, then you just make the Kitchens the head coach. If you are worried about losing Kitchens to another team as their head coach in a year or two, just make him your head coach.

That's EXACTLY what he's doing.

People have fake titles all the time so they can get more money.

Yup. Kevin Stefanski doesn't have a real chance to be our head coach. He does have a chance to be our next offensive coordinator.

Yeah. That's what it is.

Good observations. Whatever.

Crazy to interview the day after coaching in a playoff game. These guys who interview while still in the playoffs have to be so stressed.

So, the Saints called him an assistant HC so they could pay him more money? I'm not seeing the logic there. I could see promoting someone to that position to keep them from jumping ship, but he had the AHC title from the time he was hired.

I just literally don't know what an assistant head coach does. It seems like a fake title to me. Not knowing what it is, it doesn't make much difference if he has that on his resume to me or not.

I put this reply in the wrong thread.

All I've seen is this, which is not real specific, it's part of the article I posted on page 8 of this thread...

So. . . not much?

I just think having the knowledge that Kitchens can work well with our franchise QB is more valuable than anything anyone else can offer.

Thanks for that.

cfrs disagrees with me, and I cannot find anything definitive to support either one, but I thought that when you are given the title of Assistant HC, then interviewing for a HC position is no longer a promotion but a lateral move thus allowing the team to deny interviews even for HC positions.

I am going purely by memory from years past. Like I started with cfrs tells me I am wrong. I cannot find anything definite. Wouldn't even know where to look.

Maybe not? There a lot of not so sexy things that go into coaching a football team, at least you can be sure that he is trusted to address and help with those. Plus he has actual, although limited, experience after being thrust into a toxic situation.

Who's to say Kitchens would go anywhere?

If it was posted I missed it, but has Campbell ever called plays? O or D? Does he have his own offensive system to install? If not, he's certainly going to need someone to call the O plays and Kitchens would be the logical choice.

It's always a gamble. There's no way to say Kitchens would get a better offer or go anywhere. Yet at the same time the Browns obviously considered the possibility. They named him asst. HC in January of 2018.

I don't see why they would give him such a title, which I'm sure came with a pay upgrade, if they felt confident he would stay without doing so.

Not that I know of, which why I said I liked him. No allegiance to either side of the ball

I thought it had more to do with making it more difficult to hire them away as coordinators. But I could be wrong.

I don't know. I think it could be more a sign of the maturation process of a young team than anything else. It's clear (to me anyway) that they've bought in to what GW and FK were doing and Baker seems to be that bridge between coaches and players. This team got a crash course in the business side of the NFL when Hue and Haley got axed. I feel like it could simply be acceptance of the fact that they have zero say in the matter and are rallying around the things they can control.

But that's just me

You don't have to give a person a title to give them more money. You can pay them whatever you want.

I will reply to your post mostly cus it is within the same topic.

A possibility is that Dorsey over the last 8/9 weeks has gotten to see through actions and execution what both Gregg and Freddie have done. In a sense Dorsey has all the behind looks from practice to game day and all the things in between to have a strong opinion for or against either one of them. GW especially reported to Dorsey regularly in the season so he already had his finger on the pulse of how Gregg wants to shape the team (his vision). Let us say Dorsey liked what he saw after the coaching change from the advancement of player development, to the meetings and from practice to game day. Let us speculate that he can get behind keeping the pieces together, however, from the beginning he said he would turn over rocks and seek the best person to lead the team.

I have not truly been inspired by the names that have rolled through here not to say that any one of them can't be that diamond but on the surface I have not really been wowed to say "OMG now that is the guy!!!" I speculate that this process is really more Gregg and Freddies to lose than to win. Dorsey is bringing in everyone but at the same time no one as well. I propose he is doing his due dilligence to have someone wow him and if he is not wowed then he will be more than comfortable rolling with what he has.

I agree. I think Dorsey will come back to Williams and offer him the job when all the interviewing is done.
Dorsey is interviewing a wide variety of candidates. On the surface it would seem he doesn't have a clue what he is looking for but I am sure he has a reason for looking at so many candidates.

I agree, thats why I think that the process is a dog and pony show.