DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum John Dorsey Should be Executive of the Year

yeah blowing a team up is quite easy, not sure why people think Sashi didn't something special there. Sashi never addressed the QB position, thats the biggest reason he's not here

Thanks for getting this back on track. I appreciate it.

I think Dorsey's real challenge will come from Chris Ballard, who is the GM for the Colts. He nailed the draft by getting Nelson and Leonard. I think both made All Pro. He also hired Reich who is a bright guy. The Colts really improved their OL and their defense.

Interestingly, he was Director of Player Personnel in KC, so I believe he and Dorsey have ties.

The only other guy is the dude from the Bears, but I would rank him a distant third.

I forget which regime it was, but it was quite awhile ago and I remember them blowing up the roster and wanting to rebuild the team and the culture.

At that time, Diam said something along the lines of "the easy part is over." He was referring to getting rid of players. And then he said "now the hard part is here." He was referring to actually bringing in good players to build the roster.

Well, we did the first part, but obviously never succeeded in the second part.

I'm just amazed at what Dorsey has been able to do in one year.

Dorsey sped up our 5 year plan by about 4 years. Can't really ask for much more. Now he tweaks and sets us up for long term success

To piggy back your final sentence, it really is possible to improve a roster in a short time. I'm not saying that every team can fix a roster as quickly as Dorsey fixed this one, but it would seem that any team that's down for multiple seasons in a row (3 or 4) really needs to look at who is making the roster decisions. It just hammers home how important it is to have the right people in charge of acquiring players.

Indianapolis GM

Yeah, he is the first guy that I have ever really trusted to make good moves.

My only trepidation comes from the question of who will be the head coach. I hope we don't hire someone who will want to change our schemes so much that we will have to overhaul the roster.

unlike past regimes, i think Dorsey deserves trust to get the HC hire right. I'm not even concerned it will be the best guy. I'm more anxious than anything because it is a big part of our offseason

I don't think Dorsey will get executive of the year. Yes the Browns showed tremendous improvement and didn't finish last but they didn't make the playoffs either. I don't think they will give the GM of a 3rd place team that award. If he does get it, that would be great, but don't be mad everyone if he doesn't.

Why do people keep saying this? I don't get where anyone is getting the information that Haslam has ever done anything to butt in.

He invested a billion dollars in this and if it were me, I'd be all over watching what's going on.

I've never seen anyone give a demolition crew as much credit as an engineer who orchestrates and designs a complex building.

Only on Dawgtalkers.

Sorry tab, but I can't give a demolition crew as much credit as an engineer. One tore down the building. The other one built a building. One is much tougher to accomplish than the other.

Least we forget he did draft some nice players.

That said, I am very happen we have John.

Any time you demolish a team you set up cap room. When you cut away your roster, cap room comes with the territory. When you trade down draft picks, you accumulate draft picks in return. They go hand in hand. So yeah, the demolition is the easy part. When you let some of your best players walk, you pick up that cap space without really doing anything but sending that player down the road.

Where we got lucky was finding the right guy to use those things. That was our only saving grace. You need only look behind us to see that we've had a great amount of picks and cap space in the past only to have it muddled up by having the wrong people handling things.

Any way you slice it, sending players down the road to accumulate cap space and trading down in the draft to accumulate picks is kicking the can down the road. We saw a lot of that with Sashi. I guess if you want to thank him for that, have at it.

I agree that the much credit goes to Dorsey, but would the year been as good as it was without Garret, Bitonio, picking up JC, and Zeisler. You do have to give some credit for the year's success to Sashi as well. He did do some building, as well as tearing down. That said, Dorsey does deserve th Executive of the year award.

You can't really say he did nothing. But there's 18 to 20 players left from the previous regime left on our roster. That's in a single season. And there will be more gone after this year. We all know the front seven will be addressed heavily.

So if you're asking if everyone from the previous regime was toast? No, not everyone. But when you look back, we had a better roster when Sashi got here than we did when he left.

Just look at all of the skill positions. From WR, to RB, to QB, to the secondary. It was a complete overhaul.

Love this. The success of our drafts are directly related to Dorsey's preparedness. Glad to see he's holding his staff to a high standard.

If you go by just straight win totals for the years, three teams improved by 7 wins..

Browns
Texans
Bears

and one team by 6 wins..

Colts

Considering the other 3 made the playoffs, I'm betting GMOY goes to one of the others.

If the Browns can get to 11 wins next year and win the division, Dorsey will get the award for next year with a nod to the fact that this year played a big part in it.

The colts were also stiffed and put in a BAD situation with the whole McDaniels thing too. To rebound from that, sticking with an injured luck, etc. he would be derserving of it.

Rooting for Big John, but not gonna be made if the Colts GM gets it.

I'm wondering how much better Sashi's record would be if he was allowed to fire Hue like Dorsey was or if Farmer gave him the same amount of draft picks and cap space.

As well as hand him players like Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, Joe Schobert, Larry Ogunjobi, Kevin Zeitler, Rashad Higgins, David Njoku and not Paul Kruger, Donte Whitner, Craig Robertson, Xavier Cooper, Dwayne Bowe, & Gary Barnidge.

Oh, I can't forget about Dustin Colquitt. But, you know, I would have rather had Andy Lee instead of that 4th rounder (that led to Jarvis Landry) the same year we signed Colquitt....

All of this Hue and Sashi talk is moot. I never liked Hue, and liked Sashi.

We are in a good position. Time to stop fighting over those guys.


JMO

I give Sashi props for all the draft capital and cap space. He took the hit for it like a champ too. Somebody will hire him eventually.

As an NFL GM? I seriously doubt that.

Btw--------would you rather have Sashi or Dorsey running the show?

I have avoided this discussion for quite a while, but strangely felt the need to pick it up once the normal perpetrator decided he was going to spin Dorsey being good into Sashi being bad.

He's insulted that we aren't all buying in blindly and for some reason that amuses me. He's good at football posts but bad at propaganda posts. I even get a smirk or two when he calls in the posse to back him up. If he doesn't want a dog bite, the first thing I would suggest is to stop poking the dog with a stick.

Dorsey all day every day, silly question.

And this is what it all boils down to, right?....because 10/10 people on here would want to be in the position the team is in right now, with a franchise QB and a very positive outlook in 2019. So of course this means Dorsey. But the nonsensical commentary by a couple people that all was bad with Sashi and all is grand with Dorsey is absolute nonsense agenda posting, and in one particular instance, just someone needing to double-down on a quote that he incorrectly referenced ad nauseum that was ill-advised from the day it was mentioned, and another, still salty so many people are glad Hue is gone when he sold the farm for him.

Bottom line is there have been great decisions by both regimes, and some questionable ones. All of that has led us to where we are today. This caveman-esque argument that "Derrr....Sashi bad. Dorsey good." is hysterical.....and typical as some posters go.

I'm not permitted to defend myself. I surely can defend myself, but I don't want to be suspended for "bickering." Meanwhile, certain posters are permitted to take shot after shot.

Agreed. Dorsey and his immediate underlings nailed the draft last off-season and brought in two key guys via trade in Landry and Damarius.

Yep...

I will reply to you because you didn't take the low-road and make stuff up and resort to insults like the others.

First of all: I have no problem w/Hue being gone. I defended him because the Sashi guys were always blaming him for everything and people got ugly. He got fired and the team performed better. You won't see my crying about poor Hue like the Sashi crowd did for over a freaking year.

Secondly, Sashi did some good things. He drafted Myles. He signed Bitonio. He got other guys who have contributed.

Next, he just made too many bad moves. He got nothing for guys like Schwartz, Mack, Gipson, Benji, etc. He passed on too many good players. He alienated his coaching staff by cutting guys like Haden after Hue and GW praised him.

Additionally, there is a reason he is unemployed by NFL teams. It's not because of my "agenda." It's because of the factual evidence of his body of work.

Finally, Dorsey talked about getting real players and he did. This team has far more talent than it did under Sashi. I don't feel that Sashi would have even come close to accomplishing what Dorsey did. We are better off w/out him in my opinion.

Btw------------I am okay if you disagree. I won't call you names or assassinate your character like others are doing to me. It will simply be a "difference of opinion."

I don't try to compare Sashi to Dorsey. Different men for different times...

Okay. But, I do. Hope that is okay?

Sure, it's OK. But could you hold off until the popcorn is ready?

LOL..........but, I'm not going to argue w/those guys anymore. It's not worth it.

Disagreements - by all means; arguments - let civility reign...