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Yes, PFF credits him with (3) contested receptions this last season, whereas A.J. Brown had like iirc (17) for reference.

I would think that his lack of size is a contributing factor.

If we spend any draft picks of any kind on a backup quarterback I will be mad.

We have much bigger holes to fill.

We can always find a washed up QB in FA to be the backup.

Hey DA whatcha up to?

I don't usually disagree with you Eve, you could be my kid sister, or something like that...but we have maybe three 5th round picks. I could see spending one of them on a QB to develop as a back-up, then a trade chip in 3 years.

See the thing is, Dorsey appears to be some kind of genius at draft picks.

And we have holes and need depth at other positions. Shore those up with draft picks.

Back up QBs are a dime a dozen, why try to draft one of those.

I would draft a kicker above a backup QB.

Because most don't have a skillset similar to Baker. Honestly if Tyree Jackson falls to the 5th I'd be cool to take him.

Agreed. If we take a developmental type he HAS to have similar traits to Baker otherwise it's like getting a rake to mow the lawn.

Some senior bowl links for those interested - I think the 2 Washington OTs may be options in the 3rd or 4th round -

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...-off-great-week

https://www.colts.com/news/2019-senior-bowl-day-3-practice-observations

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2019/1/23/18193664/senior-bowl-notes-day-1-observations-falcons

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/24/senior-bowl-south-practice-takeaways-day-1-2/

I don't think it's necessary to have a backup similar to Baker at all. Just get the best person available for the job and if they have to play you adapt to their skillset. Carson Wentz and Nick Foles are not very similar but both play well.

Your score is: 32204 (GRADE: A+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 26 (IND): Lawrence, Dexter, DT, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 2 (IND): Bush, Devin, OLB, Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 17: Metcalf, DK, WR, Mississippi (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Hockenson, T.J., TE, Iowa (A+)
Round 3 Pick 30: Hodge, Kalhil, ILB, Buffalo (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Boyd, Kris, CB, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 6: Christmas, Demarcus, DT, Florida State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Morgan Jr, Stanley, WR, Nebraska (A+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Bates, Ryan, OT, Penn State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: McSorley, Trace, QB, Penn State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Higdon, Karan, RB, Michigan (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Van Ginkel, Andrew, OLB, Wisconsin (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

Whoa boy. The Dorsey worship on here is probably going to get out of control. We should remember that Dorsey is not some sort of draft wizard that nails every pick. He might be better than average which means he will be right 55% of the time instead of 45% of time. We had two relatively high picks (Austin Corbett and Chad Thomas) that played basically no significant snaps for us last year and they both play positions that we desperately needed depth.

I love what John Dorsey has done. We should all take a step back and remember that he is still going to fail sometimes.

Ok.

Let me rephrase that, with a disclaimer.

Compared to our previous front offices for the last 20 years, Dorsey appears to be some kind of genius at draft picks.

Give credit where credit is due.

He didnt follow the hype, made his own picks in 2018, and they have so far worked our spectacularly.

I agree that he wont nail every single pick. Because nobody can. But he is doing way better than any front office we have had since the return.

Good post.

As an aside: I know I should know this, but are you a chick? I've read many posts of yours, you're quite the personality, but I was drunk for some or almost all and I don't remember your gender being established (in my head).

Yes, Eve is a woman.

I am a female, yes.

Tyree Jackson isn't too similar to Baker, besides their ability to command an offense and intermediate accuracy. They just need someone who can understand and work the concepts of the offense.

Where I come from that's called coaching.

The point of this post is not to claim that Dorsey is a draft genius that never misses. You point out that a good GM with a draft success rate of 55% is likely to be above average. I don't believe you selected that percentage based on any statistical data but as a way of illustrating that good drafting GMs frequently make poor selections.

The point of my post is that fans and media often identify Corbett and Thomas as evidence of Dorsey's bad drafting. I just think its way too soon to reach that conclusion. They may or may not eventually contribute to the team but drawing that conclusion after a rookie season seems rash at best. We know that Corbett will have to change positions in order to see the field with much regularity. It goes without saying, he'll need to perform at a high level in his new position to earn any meaningful playing time. We haven't been told specifically what is hindering Thomas' development. Although when asked, Williams was positive about his progress. We do know that for most young players that once the season starts a great deal of developmental work for guys who aren't starters or who haven't earned a spot in positional rotations in preseason comes to an abrupt end. It is likely that an offseason of positional specific training will be needed so that they raise their level of play.

We did get immediate contributions from at least 5 rookies. But even those guys had ups and downs as they established themselves as professionals.

I read a mock that had us taking WR Metcalf, and Devin White falling to the Ravens.

I would be so ticked off if that happened .....

I picked that percentage because based on research first round picks hit about 53% of time. Every year around draft time I post an article showing the success rate of draft picks. If you'd like I'll find it and post it again.



http://pfref.com/tiny/2HKA7

The above is a link to all second and third round picks from 2018 sorted by approximate value. Corbett and Thomas contributed next to nothing, while most other second and third round bring something to the table.

I wasn't using it to point out that Dorsey is bad at drafting, just that he is not perfect. If he were perfect then both of those guys, who were relatively high picks, would have contributed on some level. They did nothing.

With that said, they are rookies and should be allowed ample time to develop.



I believe Corbett played every single snap of the preseason at left guard.



The 2018 draft was a success that we as Browns fans have never seen before. To get a QB alone would be enough for me. On top of that we got Ward, Chubb, Callaway, and Avery. That is ridiculous. My only point was that we shouldn't expect that much success in every draft. If we do we will end up disappointed.

I stand corrected on the percentage you chose. I learned something, that's always cool.


This pretty much sums up what I was trying to say.


Chalk it up to bad reading comprehension. Are you saying he took 100% of all snaps at LG during preseason? Or are you saying that 100% of the reps he received were at the LG position? Honest curiosity, no agenda.

During preseason games Corbett only played at left guard. I don't know about practice.