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“When the left points out that the guy I like is a sundowning racist pervert who lacks even a shred of decency or humanity, it’s a tactic”

It’s also worth noting the trend lately where they try to normalize Trump by lumping him in with past presidents. It’s fairly new, and I think it’s because they embarrassed themselves so badly with the whole “he’s a shrewd businessman, he’s not racist, he’s not senile, he’s a fighter”, etc. stuff, and now that the wheels have come off all that, they’re trying to minimize how stupid that all sounds by normalizing him.

Horse Manure.....Maybe you should read what the lib. media and what YOUR ILK here says routinely about the white Christian conservatives and see who gets treated like scum and it aint even close to YOUR leftist haters here ….Im fascinated by the hateful liberal mind.SMH

While Trump uses the office of the president saying "the radical Democrats" to the entire nation. And obviously you have missed the hatred and rhetoric that FOX News spreads.

You do comprehend that you have media sources that are just as hateful and slanted, right?

Trump literally spent half a decade saying that Obama was born in Kenya...

I'm not saying he's not wrong, but each side does it equally as bad, recency is the only difference.

White Christian conservatives have thrown their lot behind a creepy racist pervert with no redeeming qualities.

I’d say there’s a 70/30 split between those who see him as a useful idiot, and those who actually buy in, but either way, when your ideology is “I’m behind the creep who spies on naked 14 year old girls”, how do you expect to be treated with respect or decency?

I pointed out the right did that with Obama, if you need to go back and read, please do.

Its funny, because both sides have blinders.

The left cries about Trump and how he talks about the media, when Obama trashed right wing media it was A-Okay. lol

This isn't a partisan issue, its a fundamental problem with this country and the divisiveness.

"your guy is bad"
"your guy is worse"
"no your guy is the worstest of the worstest"
"but Obama!"
"but Trump!"

round and round we continue to go. nothing ever being solved, and nothing but insults and hate being spewed.

Just look around here.

The left on this board has literally isolated themselves in this forum. They do not allow discussion. They simply throw out insults to anyone that has a difference of opinion. So much to the fact, that the vast majority of those that lean right, do not even participate on the board anymore, or post in the forum.

There are threads literally of just left leaners on here with entire threads of just throwing out insults giving each other a big circle jerk at how much better they are than everyone else, and when a different opinion comes along, they gang up on them and bully them until they just quit posting. We used to have rules on this board that would put an end to the constant name calling and hateful replies to other posters, but alas - they are not enforced when it comes to certain people.

I feel rather bad, that people are so afraid of a difference of opinion, they that have to resort to these tactics. smh

Again- “your guy” is currently a racist pervert who forgets where he is several times a day, and has zero - and I stress ZERO - redeeming qualities or skills.

There’s no precedent to that.

Even Bush, as much as I loathe him, had some sense of humanity to him that could be reasonably presented (even if I disagree), and wasn’t just a senile rape ogre who yells at the TV.

Like at the very least, say what you will about Obama or Bush, but at least they were interested and committed in their job.

Trump literally poses for pictures where he pretends to sign blank pieces of paper and tweets them out with captions that say “hard at work, signing many Bills”. He’s been on the job two years and still doesn’t understand what health insurance is.

The only real difference is that the GOP has claimed the mantra of the moral high ground. They've used terms such as the moral majority, the Christian right and the party of family values.

Then they turn around and put all their eggs in the "married three times and cheated on them all, lie several times a day" basket. The Christian right has decided to support everything they claim to stand against. You have to see the irony there, right?

Trump this Trump that Fox this Fox that you do realize that the derangement bug has bitten you, right? LMAO

Whenever they get cornered into the fact that their political ideology revolves around a sundowning racist elderly man who struggles to understand what’s going on around him, they like to use the word “derangement”, as if it’s a distorted viewpoint.

Tell us, Riley, what part is deranged?

Is it that’s he’s not actually a creepy pervert?

Because he most certainly is.

Is it that he’s not actually racist?

Because he most certainly is.

Is it that he’s not actually a senile old man who rambles incoherently about what he saw on TV?

Because he most definitely is.

What part do you consider “derangement” and why? Can you explain it, with backing evidence?

When someone points out that exactly what you're doing works both ways you go into a rant? It was you with the derangement.....

So...liberals throwing their lot behind anti-Semites, minute before birth abortions,ms13 gangs, open borders no matter how many innocent legal American get destroyed ,protecting illegals over legal americans ,turning their heads on inner city murderers, Perverts in public restrooms with little girls and there is plenty more but you and yours should be treated with decency and respect ,right?


I am fascinated how the liberal minds work.

If you could collect all Breitbart commenters into a hive mind, and then hit that collective mind with a hammer several times, this is what it would sound like.

That has nothing to do with the what I was talking about on this board though, as it pertains to the posters.

Your talking about the party as the GOP, I am talking about particular individuals on this board that constantly defame, call names, ridicule, and demean others simply for a difference of opinion.

I have no idea which one of these blatant lies to tackle first.

Next thing you know you'll be telling us Obama was a Muslim who was born in Kenya.

One man's hateful and slanted is another man's 'fair and balanced.'

This is your brain:






This is your brain on FOX news:




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And this question is specifically for willit, with whom I've actually have several decent talks: how is anyone to have a constructive conversation with this? Where is there ANY ground for discourse? You see my predicament?

“Difference of opinion” being that you get made fun of constantly because of insane stuff like “Trump isn’t racist”.

I do. But then I ask the same thing, in another thread I am discussing about the how those on the left do nothing but call names and attack on this board, while in between the actual conversation someone from the left is putting in replies. I don't read them, but I would venture to say based on past experience they include the wording structure that I am a racist and bigot. Head over and read them and let me know if I am wrong

I would equate him the rights version of PDF. You cant have a constructive conversation with either of them, because they cannot separate issues past their own hate.

You can be talking about a SUBJECT, not even the person, and one will bring up Trump and one will bring up Obama, at then to which the conversation quickly goes to "your a socialist lib" and "your a racist bigot".

I haven't replied to the former poster I mentioned in months, and refuse to. But I bet if you go to the other thread, like clockwork he has been replying with what I stated.

My advice, do what I do. Put them on ignore. I chuckle every time I see a reply to my name that's hidden after months of not replying to them. I know they are starving for attention and starving for a reply, sitting there waiting for one - only to be let down as I refuse too.

And I do appreciate the talks that we have had in the past, I can say that I have taken things you have said to heart as well on SOME things (don't get too big a head). I hope that maybe even if you still disagree with things I have presented, that you at least have given the view point a solid consideration. Because that's really how this is all supposed to work, isn't it? Take a viewpoint, consider it, then if you disagree - state why and move on in a reasonable manner.

You fell on your face multiple times trying to argue “Trump isn’t racist” and “Trump is a successful businessman”. Multiple times.

You deserve outright mockery and scorn for that.

Stop pretending like it’s unfair or undeserved.

“I’m not a racist bigot, I just really like the racist bigot” gets stale quick.

While you may or may not have a point about it being deserved, I'm not sure what point it makes in creating an environment conducive to debate moving forward.

I will say tho, look around, Clem. You have been here longer than I.

People are leaving this board and refusing to post left and right, because of exactly what I have been saying.

I don't want guys like you, heck even swish who I go at it a lot with, pitt, to leave or be silenced. I want to hear the difference of opinion and debate it.

But there is a handful of guys on this board (and in my view mostly on the left) that are dead set on silencing anyone with a difference of opinion, and are dead set on running everyone out of here.

I wish the refs would actually put an end to it, because I believe this was a decent place to converse in the past, and actually learn a thing or two from others, but not anymore. Sadly, its simply who can make the most veiled name called post toward someone else, and I would even equate it to a few as just flat out cyber bullies.

Since we often see things and topics from a different perspective, I see as much mud slinging from the right as I do the left. But you are quite right that there are those who seem more intent on throwing mud than actually having open discussion. Often times I can have productive discussions with posters like you and Bpg even though our politics don't always align.

Not always though. There have been a few times you've went off the deep end with me and I'm sure I've done the same with you. But more often than not, we can have good discussions. I'm willing to wade through the tripe of the less engaged posters to accomplish that.

In today's political climate, which this board is a microcosm of, you can see how the refs would have to have a full time job here to moderate this place. I don't expect that from them. So we can choose to wade through the slop to have constructive conversations from those of us willing to have them, or we can walk away. I'm not much of one to just walk away.

IDk about deep end, but we go at it.

I wonder how much of us going off tho is attributed to the constant berating. Are we just both to a point that we have been berated at by others, that we get to a point that we go overboard on each other taking our frustrations out where it might not belong?

I would say at times it may very well be because we are already agitated. Whether it be by preexisting conflicts on the board or other outside influences.

I try very hard, and am usually successful at responding differently depending on who I'm responding to. Those who normally respond in a civil discourse manner, I try to approach that way in kind. Those who play the role of demagogue I will reply in kind also.

I think the element in which Wil is speaking of IS that pre-existing condition. We are already so agitated with defending ourselves against constant name calling that the slightest question comes off as another ribbing. I know I am guilty of it.

But he is right, ignore is amazing. Even if I have the inclination to un-ignore a post, the mere act of having to press the button reminds me to not respond to it.

I think insinuations fly both ways and sometimes from posters that used to seem reasonable. Let me fly one by you.

"If you don't support a border wall you are for open borders."

I think we both know better. As usual I'm pretty much in the middle on this. I agree that in certain areas it would be wise to add a limited portion of border wall. Who are we kidding? Border fence since that's what it has actually boiled down to.

But I don't believe in the "fence alone" policy. I think we need a complete immigration reform package and not some item by item approach.

But to say anyone that disagrees with a border fence doesn't believe in border security is a flat out lie and naive at best. Many feel that a cyber border would work much better.

It's actually a bunch of rhetoric from both sides that raise the ire from people who simply disagree on issues.

Oh how sad when stupid people believe they are so very smart...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQgq_R13V3s

That was great 40. I really liked watching all the know it all fake news media in their superior way telling us that Trump could not possibly win. Then after they lost all the people at the rallys went shopping after the stores closed. What a bunch of crybaby losers.

THanks for responding.




I've taken a different approach: I've gone back to the football forums more, and pick & choose which PP threads get my participation. It's a bit easier now because the Browns are worth talking about again

I still read most of these threads, but my footprint is much smaller these days. Now and then I come upon a post that's simply too egregious to let slide, and on those occasions, I'll pretty much let that poster have it.

I had reached what I thought was the end of my rope at midseason when the coaching purge happened. It looked like another toilet-worthy season shaping up, and my only reason for coming (PP & EE) was as toxic as it had ever been. Prp gave some good advice: [paraphrased] "stay for the football forums, but don't leave because of PP. Stay away from PP if it makes you upset.

I took his advice and stopped reading anything for about a month. It was like detox. When I came back, I found the same posters saying the same annoying stuff, but it bothered me less.

I've only used the ignore button on one poster in the whole time I've been here because I hated the tone of his football posts. Even he got taken off ignore once I learned to scroll past his posts. It was actually easier than reading "you are ignoring this poster."

It is what it is. I can't make them any less obnoxious, and they'll never accumulate new brain cells. I've just decided that posting reasoned debate with them is affording them a level of respect they haven't earned. It's also why I stopped writing those publication-length op-eds. They sometimes sparked some good convo (such as we've had), but more times than not, they just got [pooped] upon by the same park pigeons that just get trolled by me now.

I just thought of an idea: if a subject comes up that you'd like my take on, shoot me a PM. I'd rather discuss it there than deal with the dolts, dunderheads and spitball throwers.


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Will do. I always appreciate your viewpoint, even if I don't agree with it.

I have always been under the impression that even if you don't agree with a person POV, and even if it doesn't change your mind, you can still learn something from it

told y'all they were the same

Donald Trump Tells His Own Intelligence Chiefs to ‘Go Back to School’ Over ‘Naive’ Assessment of ‘Dangers of Iran’

One day after leaders of the intelligence community presented to Congress the findings of this year’s Worldwide Threat Assessment report, President Donald Trump took to Twitter to rebuke all of their major conclusions.

Tuesday’s report contradicted many of the president’s own assessments of threats from North Korea, Iran and the Islamic State militant group (ISIS). But rather than accept the assessment of his government’s intelligence professionals, Trump ridiculed them and said that they should “go back to school.”

“The Intelligence people seem to be extremely passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of Iran. They are wrong! When I became President Iran was making trouble all over the Middle East, and beyond. Since ending the terrible Iran Nuclear Deal, they are MUCH different, but a source of potential danger and conflict,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.

“They are testing Rockets (last week) and more, and are coming very close to the edge. There [sic] economy is now crashing, which is the only thing holding them back. Be careful of Iran. Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!” the tweets continued.

Since coming to office, Trump has declared ISIS defeated and said that North Korea no longer poses a threat. He has also pledged to get tough on Iran and has abandoned the nuclear deal, also known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), that his predecessor, Barack Obama, struck with Tehran to curb the country’s nuclear weapons program.

In Tuesday’s report, the Director of National Intelligence assessed that Iran remains committed to the deal despite Trump’s actions.

“Iran’s implementation of the JCPOA has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about one year, provided Iran continues to adhere to the deal’s major provisions,” the report reads.

“The JCPOA has also enhanced the transparency of Iran’s nuclear activities, mainly by fostering improved access to Iranian nuclear facilities for the IAEA and its investigative authorities under the Additional Protocol to its Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement.”

Trump has contradicted the assessments of his intelligence community on numerous occasions, creating a rare situation in which a Republican President is at odds with officials from the FBI and CIA. He has repeatedly cast doubt on whether Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 presidential elections on his behalf, despite the unanimous conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia meddled.

On Tuesday, Dan Coats, the director of National Intelligence, told the Senate Intelligence Committee that North Korea is “unlikely to completely give up its nuclear weapons and production capabilities." On Wednesday, Trump also refuted that conclusion, tweeting that the relationship with North Korea is the "best it has ever been with U.S."

"Decent chance of Denuclearization," Trump added.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-in...MzDdAWjz4_XHnNs

McConnell blasts House bill that makes Election Day a federal holiday

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/4...federal-holiday

well, i know what side republicans aren't on. i support this bill from the house, as it will encourage more people to show up to the polls. election day should be a federal holiday from the jump, that way as many people can show up as possible.

also, america can never run out of reasons to throw a BBQ.

I trust him more than I trust the 'Intel' community. He's told us he knows more than they do.

It's unpatriotic to doubt your president.

Don't you understand... THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!

The object is to win elections. Mitch knows that GOP's won't ever win another election if they can't keep voters from the polls.

I'm a fan like you. It should have been a national holiday years ago.

What could be more patriotic than getting as many Americans involved in the election process?

I hope they can find a way to cram this down McConnell's throat.

I guess it's time to make some phone calls....

Want more people voting?

Pay for votes.

Works for the politicians.

[quote=EveDawg]Want more people voting?

Pay for votes.

Works for the politicians.
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They don't even mind when illegal migrants vote in our elections.