DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Interesting take from ESPN on Haslam and the coaching search

I figured....all's cool my friend.

Before I respond to your post, I want to remind posters that both Sashi and Hue were fired and they aren't coming back. I also don't think anyone is going to change their mind on things that have been posted thousands of times. That number is not a hyperbole. Meanwhile, Haslam still owns the team and the article contained a lot of information to ponder if one wants to take his mind off the same old tired-ass agenda line of thinking.

Niolen, you brought up something I really didn't consider. I have been worried about what will Haslam do if the team is not meeting the lofty expectations that many have for next season. However, you brought up a similar question of how will he react if the team has some success. Will it reinforce his recent restraints or will he resort to past practices?

I think this is the interesting conversation and the Sashi/Hue crap is lame. Both guys are gone and are unemployed. Stop thumping your chests and put the millimeter tape measures away.

I have two questions for the board.

1. How confident are you that Haslam is going to stay out of the way if the team struggles next year?

2. How confident are you that he will stay out of the way if the team has some success and we start getting a lot of attention?

I don't consider Haslam in that sense, so I am not all that worried about it.


That's to say, why worry about it now?

My question is, what can we do to change it? The answer is nothing.


I can't buy the team from them and run it my way, so questioning their way is moot.


Sure, we can give up our seats, then 10 others will step in to buy them. Me.....I will keep mine until I die.


I am a PROUD season ticket holder. I don't bail on my team because they aren't winning.

Why worry about it now?

Why worry about Sashi and Hue now? LMAO They're gone.

I guess it is okay to talk about guys who are gone, but not about a guy who is still here. This board never ceases to amaze me.

I don't worry about them.



I agree, they are gone.


Why still worry about it?


Time to move on my man and renew a friendship.

I'm not sure about what is being said about Toad or the 9 out of 10 not being starters next year, but I agree otherwise.

And I don't really see any Sashi lovers and Dorsey haters, it's more of the other way around.

I don't think anyone is really worried about it, I just think some wanted to point out the hypocrisy of some of the arguments made around here.

I think we’ll be fine either way ... why u may ask ,,, *L* ...

As u well know i am no fan of the thief as a human being or an owner .. he’s been the WORST OWNER in the history of sports ... the record over the last 3 years SEALED IT for now .. and its not like the first 3 or 4 years of his produced anything but UTTER CRAP on the field or in the win column ...i’m not gonna re-hash the whole thing ...

I firmly believe when he hired Sashi and Hue and gave them 5 years he was going to stick to it ... PERIOD ... i don’t think they could have produced bad enough results to get fired before year 5 was over .. IMO he had BOXED HIMSELF IN TO THAT ... he had went through Coaching staffs and FO’s like toilet paper ... Chud/Banner lasted a year ... Pett/Farmer lasted two ... in his first 3 years he had hired and fired two coaches and 2 FO’s ... i give him a pass on Shurmer as he was a holdover ..

MAYBE .... JUST MAYBE they could have got fired after 4 years .. but IMO he had to give them that time ... like i said .. i think he BOXED HIMSELF IN and he would have never been able to hire another HC ... plus i think the egotistical jackass thought he was going to change the NFL and prove he was the smartest owner ever by revolutionizing football and doing it with analytics and non football people ...

I think the bye week witch i now dub the DEBACLE AT THE FACTORY OF SADNESS forced him too fire at least one of them .. Hue left him no choice (not a shot at Hue .. IT WAS DOOMED TO FAIL .. how could it not ... Sashi BROUGHT ZERO CRED TO THE JOB and having TRUST in your GM is huge ... that failing was a NO-BRAINER ... Sashi was and still is the DUMBEST HIRE IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS IMO)

I think Hue kept his job cause the thief didn’t want to fire both of them ...

For that reason ... and the fact DORSEY HAS EARNED HIS TRUST ...

I think Freddie and his staff will get a FAIR SHOT and the thief will stay the hell out of the way .. LIKE HE SHOULD ...

It was very telling IMO when he wasn’t on the stage when Freddie was announced at HC .. i also think the fact he’s finally used a COMMON SENSE ORG. CHART and has Freddie reporting to King John is another sign ...

I could be way off base ... wouldn’t be the first time ... BUT I FEEL PRETY GOOD ABOUT THAT ...

Thats my story and i’m sticking to it ...

Happy Hue Jackson Day, Diam! Cheers mate!

Baker was asked if he'd read the ESPN article during his Super Bowl rounds. He said "No," he heard it was a long read (lol), and it's all in the past...he was just concentrating on the future.

Love this kid.

If YOU would stop bringing up Sashi's name going forward, that would represent a 75+% decrease in the number of times his name is brought up...maybe 90+%.

Just post your thoughts...stop with the preambles...it looks like posturing and agenda. Make your point and move on.

Dude, shut up. I wasn't even posting on this thread and it was all about Hue and Sashi.

Btw--I won't respond to anything else you say, so have at it.

Those are two very good points and I was happy when I read about them. It's a very positive sign. And you very well could be right that he will stay out of the way.

However, I can't help this gnawing feeling that Haslam will forcefully reinsert himself should the team not live up to the lofty expectations that so many have for them.

Haslam is going to be right there if we start the season 0-1. He's not going anywhere. Browns fans should be terrified. Some of us hold out hope that things will be ok now, but you have to wonder....

I understand some think we are still a year away, but we are in win now mode. It's a very exciting time. Probably a tune for another thread but I'm excited to have 3 or 4 primetime games and to see where they fall and against whom.

Browns have one of the league's easiest schedules for 2019. Barring major injury, if we do not make the playoffs we should all be very worried.

I think the point about the schedule is a good one. It appears to be very favorable. I'm praying that the stars are finally aligned for the Browns. I'm running out of time.

I just saw a graphic yesterday that Goff has reached the super bowl quicker than any other QB selected with the #1 overall pick. I say let's break that record next year and shock the world.

But that might just be me drunk. On the Isle. Ive been recruited as a bartender on the isle.

LOL

I'm hoping I'll need the help this upcoming season!

This might just be blind optimism/hope talking... but I've decided that Haslam has learned his lesson. I think something really has to blow up (something along the lines of a suspension/fine for a GM texting a coach on the sidelines during a game) in order for Haslam to feel like he has to insert himself again.

J/C

our team didn't get more talent after the Pittsburgh game. It didn't. WE got rid of hue, and we started winning football games.

IF that doesn't stand out to some of you, then IDK what else will.

You cant say hue didn't have any talent, because he had the same team that Gregg and Freddie had. one set of coaches won games, one did not. plain and simple. Hue is gone, sashi is gone.

But I do know that Sashi is not credited with yesterday, happy post Hue Jackson day - 1-31

Freddie is our coach now, and I am thrilled.

Baker is our QB and I am thrilled.

Haslam seems to have learn to let others lead.

Its a new day

This is actually a very good point... There is hope.

Also...

I wonder if the Pilot stuff, as you say, led him to be more hands on here? It was said when he started he was only here once a week or so... Perhaps he started to worry about the Pilot stuff and tried to distance himself and wanted to desperately turn this team around so that it would "look good" on him. Thus thrusting himself into the daily operations and meddling as he has...


Just a thought...

Right. I was thinking more along the lines of the Pilot/Flying J stuff is still unresolved.


I actually liked Mangini and I think he was one who had a lot of control when he was here. But he needed help and hired Kokinis. Kokinis was hired after the draft I believe... it's been a while.


Anyway, here's an interesting read about Kokinis and Dorsey that I found...


Article

j/c:

I encourage to revisit the original article because some things are being twisted.

I encourage you to quit telling people what to do or post and say what you have to say. It's a message board...not an 8th grade cheerleader tryout.

I think the Haslam's are learning. They've made mistakes, but they've been different mistakes for the most part rather than the same one over and over again. They've tried different things with the HC (OC vs DC). They've tried different kinds of GMs ("football" vs "cap" guy). Hopefully they've figured out that they need all of it, but the most important part is everybody being on the same page and working together.

Let people do what they are good at. If you hire a guy to add talent to the team, actually let him pick the players. Don't blame people for problems, work together to fix them. I'm definitely sick of the blame game.

I'm cautiously optimistic. Freddie seems to be a good consensus builder. Dorsey seems to be a good evaluator. Haslam seems to have let/be letting Dorsey pick the players without interjecting. He has been good about upgrading the facilities. I'm hoping they can all keep their egos to the side and work together- deferring to expertise, but not disregarding others' input. Haslam and Dorsey both strike me as people who don't like to compromise/once they decide on something no one will talk them out of it. Hopefully they can all work well together before they make their minds up.

I like your post and it is very reasonable. I do disagree w/the point about the Haslams not making the same mistakes over and over again.

I said Haslams because you did, but I don't blame Dee. She seems more level-headed and rational than Jimmy does. I think Jimmy has repeated the same mistakes over and over.

I think the article made the quite clear. He creates an atmosphere [albeit not intentionally] that pits people against one another. The one constant is that each regime has been dysfunctional and I believe that Jimmy is at the center of that.

I'm not arguing w/you. Just conversing. Trying to move past the crap that WSU is trying to create.

My goodness...just say what you have to say and leave the drama out of it.

We're good.

The same underlying mistake perhaps, but in his mind at least I think he's trying not to repeat the same mistakes. Hopefully he caught the underlying issue this time, and it's the one that is being corrected. ...One of the ones... Early indications seem encouraging.

As far as Dee, I get the sense that she points and Jimmy acts. Could just be her TV background. I imagine her directing the scene. Maybe it's just because Jimmy seems like a caricature/he's over-acting at times. I don't know the exact dynamic.

But, she's involved enough that she gets to share the "credit." It's all guesswork on my part on how much either of them are involved behind the scenes. She's mentioned here and there in articles as being "more involved." What that "more" is comparing hasn't been made clear to me.

We are both speculating, but I think your take is sound. Hopefully, other members of the board will add to what we're talking about.

IMO, the core issue was the reporting structure. Analogous to a pair of magnets: when put together incorrectly, they repel, but when done properly, they attract and come together as one...

to answer your question, versatile, this is how I think it will play out. I think Jimmie h is a very smart guy. He is a driven type a personality who has been very successful along the way by being a highly involved micromanager. it has worked for him ......until now. I think he came in as owner and began to employ the same tactics that worked for him in the business world and nothing worked for him.

Jimmie was impatient for positive results so if he did not get quick results he swooped in and made changes. He hired coaches and fired coaches. He hired gms and fired gms. He hired team presidents and fired team presidents. and yet the losing continued. He got so frustrated that he went with a radically different concept with sashi and depo. IMO they were instructed to tear it down and then build it back up.

what Jimmie did was radically different. We are starting to see the fruits of it but they never envisioned 1-31. Never. So once again he jumped in and made changes. Finally the football gods smiled upon us and we got Dorsey and a slew of other quality football guys and we saw some success fairly quickly.

I guess that was a lot of talk leading to this. If we continue to progress Jimmie will sit back and enjoy the ride, with a big smile on his face. side thought. I can remember early on in jimmies time here the camera going to him in the owner’s box as we blew or lost another game. The anger and frustration were visible in his face and body language. He wants to be smiling and laughing after games and if Dorsey gives him that he can write his own check.

If things go south early on i think Jimmie will give Dorsey way more time than previous guys just because we have enough parts in place to always be respectable. we won’t be 1-31, we will be competitive so Dorsey will be given time.

I know he gets lots of grief but I love having Jimmie as our owner. I want my owner to live and die with the browns on the field. I like that he is angry when we lose. Jimmie made a lot of mistakes but they were errors of caring too much. I am ok with that but I am glad that he seems to have made a good call with our gm and happier days are coming.

Sorry for the length of the response.

I share the same sentiments about Jimmy. He's no dummy. I think he is hell-bent on doing things his way until someone PROVES to him that there is a better way. How many people - me included - act the same way?

Every team in the NFL for every season since Jimmy bought the Browns has failed to reach their ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl except for the Ravens, Patriots, Broncos & Eagles. Our failures have certainly been more excruciating and soul-crushing than pretty much every other failing team...but there is reason to believe that we are on the right track and will go that route for awhile and see how it works out.

Yeah, encouraging people to do something is telling them what to do.



I hope I said what I had to say clearly enough to meet your requirements.

Just curious ... how does building a TRUCK STOP business in any way qualify u too be INVOVLED IN FOOTBALL DECISIONS ... rhe BEST OWNERS .. the ones that CONSITENTLY WIN are the ones that hire here football people and let them do THEIR JOBS ..

The thief is a smart man .. hell he got away with STEALING MILLIONS over many years from truck stop owners all over whatever parts of the country he operated in . No dummy gets away with that ...

BUT IF HE WAS SO SMART ... why would he not look at the ORG.S THAT WIN AND SEE HOW THEY DO IT ... crap .. to this day i wonder what the hell he learned from Pit ... IT CERTAINLY WASN’T TO KNOW HIS PLACE ..

WE STUNK CAUSE he made HORRIFICK HIRES ... then he tried to prove how smart he was and CHANGE HOW FOOTBALL TEAMS ARE OPERATED by hiring a LAWYER with ZERO FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE to be in charge of the ROSTER and aquiring talent ..

How is that smart bro? .. ITS ASSININE ...

Let’s see .. here’s how all the WINNING ORG’S DO IT ... but u know what .. I’M SMARTER THAN THEM cause i know the truck stop business like the back of my hand .

Your “LOGIC” here is SEVERLY FLAWED ...

U guys can spin it any way u want .. we just came off the WORST 3 YEAR RUN IN SPORTS HISTORY and what did we lose to close the season before that one .. OUR LAST 6, 7 OR 8!!!!!

He SUCKED ... WORST OWNER IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS and u guys are gonna tell me he had a CLUE... gimme a break ... he is SMART but it appears he has no COMMON or at least BUSINESS SENSE when it comes to football ..

The STARS ALIGNED for this bafoon and were all the benificaries of it ..

U look in the dictionary under the phrase ... I’d rather be luck than good ... and his is the very first picture in that definition ...

You would think that having been a minority owner of the Steelers and watching the Rooneys he would know that.

Marketing a product that you're already being supplied with has nothing, and I mean nothing to do with building a winning product. In his opening presser he mentioned marketing several times, but not team building. Why? Because marketing is what he had done.

I've said this from the very beginning.

What DOES qualify a person to own a NFL team other than having a crap-ton of money? He had some small ownership of the Steelers and is worth billions of dollars. If that doesn't "qualify" a guy, I don't know what does.

However, just because he qualified, that doesn't guarantee that he knows what to do once he's the owner.

You can't blast him for the past years of poor decisions without giving him credit on hiring Dorsey and canning Hue. He's trending up...in a world of "What have you done for me lately?" there is reason for optimism.