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We really shouldn't be surprised. They just love to hate on Baker.
 ... Yup ... Bark the BUM on a HORRIBLE O led the league in all purpose yards ... if they didn’t “hate” Bake so much Bake would have won it ... no way did Bark deserve it .. ... IMO .... Nelson from Indi should have won it ... yet he’s not even in the convo nor do i think he won rookie of the week even once .. He may have been the best gaurd in football ,,, PERIOD ... he pancaked Clowney in there playoff game ... thats not done often .. if ever ... he OWNED him on that play ... and whoever lined up in front of him all year GOT OWNED ... Like i said .. he may be the best gaurd in football as a rookie ... DUDES A BEAST ... 
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I have been reading some statements about this topic in two forums that I find confusing. I read stuff about the NFL picking Barkley to win because they want to highlight the big market teams. I read that Baker won the Rookie of the Week the most times. I read that people won't drink Pepsi because Baker didn't win their Rookie of the Year award. I read something about Baker winning the Heisman in a vote of his peers.
Perhaps someone can clarify things, because I thought the following:
The Rookie of the Week is voted on by fans and not by the NFL, writers, or other players. Is this incorrect?
The Pepsi ROY award is voted on by fans and is not chosen by Pepsi. Is this incorrect?
The AP ROY is chosen by writers and not by the NFL league office. Is this incorrect?
The Heisman is not chosen by other college players and I think it is voted on by selected media members. Is this incorrect?
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It doesn't bother me that he didn't win it. If the other player hadn't played for a NYC team, it might have gone the other way.
Bake didn't really get rolling until mid season. Bark was rolling from game one, so he had the eyes of the writers on him for a longer period of time. i agree peen. had baker started week one, the award would've been his to lose. Barkley balled out starting game one, so while the giants as a team wasn't getting national attention, he sure was. peyton manning threw 26 TD's in 1998, which was the most at the time for a rookie QB. but Randy Moss won ROY that year. I love barkley, but expect Baker will lead us to a playoff birth before barkley helps lead his team to one. so i dont mind a short term snub, because long term, we're gonna be better than the giants.
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Oh damn that's a very apt comparison Puts things in better perspective
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Baker Mayfield is OUR rookie of the year!
I don't give a damn what others around the NFL might think of Mayfield or if he deserves any awards...to this Browns fan, I know Baker is our Rookie of the Year.
The Browns will continue the battle for respect in the NFL knowing RESPECT MUST BE EARNED. The Browns have not done enough "WINNING" to earn the respect of those who vote for these type of awards.
I believe most Browns fans feel that Baker Mayfield is the Rookie of the Year...and yes, we might be a bit biased.
Let those who didn't vote for Baker explain their vote...
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I read that people won't drink Pepsi because Baker didn't win their Rookie of the Year award. I'm the one who brought that up and I didn't say that, I said that it was just another reason for me to prefer Coke over Pepsi. Didn't say I wouldn't drink Pepsi as I do if that is what is offered.
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Others talked about it, too. The point I was making is that I believe the fans vote on that award and it isn't made by Pepsi. Is that incorrect?
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As far as I know you are completely correct.
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Manning also threw 28 picks his rookie year ...
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Baker Mayfield is OUR rookie of the year!
Might be Chud 
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The Heisman is not chosen by other college players and I think it is voted on by selected media members. Is this incorrect? What’s incorrect is how you understood what I said. I said he won the Heisman over all of his peers, or every other elidgable player, not voted on by his peers.
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Sorry boo boo, but I think my post taken as a whole is a lot more accurate than the crap that is being spewed on this thread.
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I'll just insert this tidbit in this thread. I didn't realize Mayfield is just two games away from an NFL record:
He has thrown at least one touchdown in each of his first 13 starts. It is the third longest streak in NFL history. He trails only St. Louis’ Kurt Warner (23 from 1999-00) and Minnesota’s Brad Johnson (15 from 1996-97).
How confident are we that he will smash this record?
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I'll just insert this tidbit in this thread. I didn't realize Mayfield is just two games away from an NFL record:
He has thrown at least one touchdown in each of his first 13 starts. It is the third longest streak in NFL history. He trails only St. Louis’ Kurt Warner (23 from 1999-00) and Minnesota’s Brad Johnson (15 from 1996-97).
How confident are we that he will smash this record? Isn't that 10 games away from the record? Looks like 2 games gets him a tie for 2nd.
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You're right. Darn me. Still, it's rarified air he's already in.
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It did not surprise me at all.
Barkley finished strong and was the biggest positive variable on a failing Giant team. I was very disappointed for Baker, QB transition to the NFL is the hardest transition of them all. RB transition to the NFL is the easiest transition of them all.
That variable which is not so obvious did not win over the STATS and again the finish that Barkley had with the Giants that made him stand out more.
This is typical Baker persona. Deep down he cares, deep down he has this as a fuel to become THE BEST. Next season he will be edged out of NFL MVP by a Mahome or another. But I expect some amazing things from Baker.
It would have been nice but his 2nd year progress is possibly something to wonder about.
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I'll just insert this tidbit in this thread. I didn't realize Mayfield is just two games away from an NFL record:
He has thrown at least one touchdown in each of his first 13 starts. It is the third longest streak in NFL history. He trails only St. Louis’ Kurt Warner (23 from 1999-00) and Minnesota’s Brad Johnson (15 from 1996-97).
How confident are we that he will smash this record? Isn't that 10 games away from the record? Looks like 2 games gets him a tie for 2nd. It's amazing that the record hasn't been challenged or beaten by the likes of Brady and Manning in the modern era. Seeing Brad Johnson's name as second place ... just makes me scratch my head because I was never much of a fan.
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I think that the amazing thing about his run for the record is that he is 13 strong AS A ROOKIE!!! That is what is amazing. just saying 
Question. Is this a from the onset of ones first start? In checking Brad Johnson, he started 9 games his first two season without a Touchdown so this has nothing to do with their Career starting beginning...
Warner we all know he was not a rookie when he started his streak. And Brad Johnson was I think in his 3rd season when the streak of 15 started.
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I'll just insert this tidbit in this thread. I didn't realize Mayfield is just two games away from an NFL record:
He has thrown at least one touchdown in each of his first 13 starts. It is the third longest streak in NFL history. He trails only St. Louis’ Kurt Warner (23 from 1999-00) and Minnesota’s Brad Johnson (15 from 1996-97).
How confident are we that he will smash this record? Isn't that 10 games away from the record? Looks like 2 games gets him a tie for 2nd. It's amazing that the record hasn't been challenged or beaten by the likes of Brady and Manning in the modern era. Seeing Brad Johnson's name as second place ... just makes me scratch my head because I was never much of a fan. Manning failed to throw a TD in his 3rd start, a 44-6 beat down... now after that one game, he threw a TD in 27 consecutive games.. it only takes one. Brady failed to throw a TD in either of his first 2 starts... in fact he had 4 regular season games in his first year as a starter where he didn't throw a TD... and in 3 playoff games he threw a grand total of ONE TD and had a rating of 77..... but they won the super bowl and for that he is the GOAT.
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Did someone on hear mention a Baker td stat something like he made 20 end zone attempts and had 20 completions 20 for TDs?
Is that right did I read that on the board once?
Is that a real stat? is there a source?
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Did someone on hear mention a Baker td stat something like he made 20 end zone attempts and had 20 completions 20 for TDs?
Is that right did I read that on the board once?
Is that a real stat? is there a source?
Thanks You sure you don't mean red zone?
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I looked up redzone the stats are different. I swear I saw this stat on this board.
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Did someone on hear mention a Baker td stat something like he made 20 end zone attempts and had 20 completions 20 for TDs?
Is that right did I read that on the board once?
Is that a real stat? is there a source?
Thanks You sure you don't mean danger zone? I fixed it for you.
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My bad. I think I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.
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Maybe it was 20 TDs in the redzone and 0 INT's? does that ring a bell to anyone?
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Yeah, that is the one I was talking about. It's true. It was posted on here quite a bit. Incredible stat!
No doubt about that.
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Sounds like yes, I think the stats won't change in the offseason.
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Did someone on hear mention a Baker td stat something like he made 20 end zone attempts and had 20 completions 20 for TDs?
Is that right did I read that on the board once?
Is that a real stat? is there a source?
Thanks You sure you don't mean danger zone? I fixed it for you. I love that pic of Baker in his fighter jet!
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Maybe it was 20 TDs in the redzone and 0 INT's? does that ring a bell to anyone? Our red zone scoring was incredible. I think that the only times we failed to score in the 2nd half of the season (in the red zone) were 2 or 3 kneel downs, and one late 4th down attempt that failed.
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The only trophy that matters for Browns fans is the Lombardi. Baker is our rookie of the year. That is all.
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Maybe it was 20 TDs in the redzone and 0 INT's? does that ring a bell to anyone? There was a time where we were making TDs on 100% of our trips to the red zone (it may have been 20 trips in a row) once GW and FK took over, but towards the end of the season we failed to convert on one, breaking the streak.
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It was 20 for 20 in td’s when we got to the red zone ... not td passes but td’s on 20 visits to the red zone in a row ...
I asked awhile back how that compared historically .. i think its the record ... that is INCREDIBLE for any team much less with one with a rookie qb as most rookie qb’s struggle in the red zone more than other areas of the field ....
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It is mind blowing. 20 for 20, tough to do better.
It seems we weren't at 50% before.
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The year before i think we went 20/20 with no points much less TD’s ... *L* ...
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The year before i think we went 20/20 with no points much less TD’s ... *L* ... You think we got to the red zone 20 times last year?
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The year before i think we went 20/20 with no points much less TD’s ... *L* ...  probably pretty close to true. sad. unwatchable football. things are looking up. I'm still not ready to exhale.
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The year before i think we went 20/20 with no points much less TD’s ... *L* ... probably pretty close to true. sad. unwatchable football. things are looking up. I'm still not ready to exhale. Think about what Dorsey did w/the offense in just one year. He brought in the following starters: QB: Baker RB: Chubb WR: Landry WR: Callaway RT: Hubbard LT: Robinson/Harrison TE2: Fells Dude replaced 7 of the 11 starters on offense in just one year. And the difference, as you and Diam noted, is amazing between the last two years.
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He actually replaced 8 out of 12 starters if we're counting Hyde, who was also a starter.
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No, because Dorsey also brought in Hyde. You can't blame Sashi for that one. LOL
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