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guard dawg #1587352 01/28/19 01:58 PM
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well first of all if we can get
1 demarcus lawrence
2 dee ford
3 trent brown
then break the bank
those three plus noah faint and metcalfe would make us the favorite to win the super bowl.

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From an article on 92.3 the Fan. I can't seem to get the link to work from my phone.

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Originally Posted By: jacksondawg
well first of all if we can get
1 demarcus lawrence
2 dee ford
3 trent brown
then break the bank
those three plus noah faint and metcalfe would make us the favorite to win the super bowl.


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I posted that a few days ago.


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Here you go:

Cleveland Browns: How the cap situation really looks

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I am not saying this is realistic I am saying if they became available then break the bank

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Also if they franchise Lawrence that would be his second time and he would be due to get a Mack like raise

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Ravens GM Eric DeCosta said he's "going to do what I can to make sure" impending free agent ILB C.J. Mosley is back with the team.

DeCosta wouldn't dismiss using the franchise tag on Mosley. The former first-rounder is almost certainly looking to get as close to Luke Kuechly money as the highest-paid inside linebacker in the league at just over $12 million per year. Bobby Wagner is No. 2 at $10.75 million annually. Mosley will turn 27 this summer and is an obvious key cog in the Ravens' defense-first ways.

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Thank you Tom Heckert (RIP) and Joe Banner and Sashi Brown.

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What do they mean by "chose to carry over"? I thought it was automatic.


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What do they mean by "chose to carry over"? I thought it was automatic.


Nope. Teams have to choose to carry it over. I don't know why they wouldn't though.

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Probably because they could pay down other contracts.


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Probably because they could pay down other contracts.


No one has ever not taken the rollover.

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The rollover theoretically would allow teams to absorb large contractual obligations up front (ie: ridiculous roster bonus in year one) or space out their contracts in a way that the big hits of core players occur in different rolling seasons.

I'm surprised more teams aren't floating in the 10-20 millions rollover area as that would be the ideal manipulation space needed with a lot of these large contracts.

I would be upset myself if the Browns still didn't have 20 million to roll into nest season,too.

It's too big of a financial tool to waste.


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Just realized almost a 3rd of the rollover total is Cleveland and Indianapolis. Kind of weird


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Cap hell is somewhat of an overblown thing IMO ... you can always maneuver and wiggle money around with all of the rules and stipulations. Not that we can just spend all of it, but I think we're in great shape ... at least until Garrett, Baker, Ward need re-upped


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Not sure where this goes ... for now, I guess this is as good a spot as any ....

Tanner Vallejo - LB - Free Agent

Browns waived LB Tanner Vallejo.

Even if Vallejo wasn't in the Browns' 2019 plans, the day after the Super Bowl is bizarre timing to waive a player who made 13 2018 appearances, including one start. Vallejo played 145 rough snaps. He will be added to someone's 90-man roster with the opportunity to compete for a spot on the 53-man.

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It only feels overblown because it has been so long since it has been an issue for us. We haven't seen or felt the ramifications here in Cleveland since the 2002 playoff loss. We spent like crazy that season to try to win one before Lerner, Sr. passed away and we were in Cap Hell after that. And yes, there are always ways to maneuver..... like cutting quality players, which we had to do. We kept as much as we could, but we blew up that defense.

Never getting to that point again is the only way we sustain something.


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Even if Vallejo wasn't in the Browns' 2019 plans, the day after the Super Bowl is bizarre timing to waive a player who made 13 2018 appearances, including one start.



It may be that those judging the talent level of the Browns LB position believe there is room for improvement.

What matters is who replaces Vallejo on the Browns depth chart at LB.


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It may be that those judging the talent level of the Browns LB position believe there is room for improvement.


What else would it be?


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Probably best for him since it is evident we didn't place much value on his ability to make the squad.


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i kinda liked vallejo


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
i kinda liked vallejo


Me too.

Seemed to always be around the ball.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He had a few solid to better games, and a few *bleh* games.


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testimony to increased talent level of team.

Not so long ago a player like this would be a must have rotational player, now the bottom portion of the roster, with an improving talent these players are expendable.

We need to get used to what we view as talent is being replaced with a better grade.


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Could this tell us anything about what Wilks wants in a LB?

His skill set isn't what he wants.

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testimony to increased talent level of team.

Not so long ago a player like this would be a must have rotational player, now the bottom portion of the roster, with an improving talent these players are expendable.

We need to get used to what we view as talent is being replaced with a better grade.


I certainly don't disagree with your premise there...but...as of our last game a month or so ago, that guy was on our 53 as one of a scant few LBs who could get on the field.

We haven't picked up someone to replace him (yet) and the roster will be set at 90 for awhile now. There must be more to the story than an upgrade to the 90/53.

On a team starving for LBs, this is an odd move at this time. Feels like there is more to the story.

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yeah it could be that we don't see him as a fit .. not like it's a huge loss, but considering our lack of LB depth we must have quite a few moves ahead


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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When Does Free Agency Begin?


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March 14 - At 4:00 p.m., E.S.T., the 2018 league year officially begins, and along with it free agency starts.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Just to clarify, the NFL has also allowed a time period called "legal tampering" that actually allows teams to begin negotiations two days prior to the actual signing period. Sometimes these negotiations are the worst kept secrets in the NFL.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Cardinals claimed LB Tanner Vallejo off waivers from the Browns.

The Browns made the strange decision to waive Vallejo one day after the Super Bowl, and the Cardinals used their No. 1 waiver priority to take a flier. 24-year-old Vallejo was not an asset last season, but the talent-bereft Cardinals will see if he can take a step forward this offseason.

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I saw 3 teams tried to claim him when we did in September. I wonder how many put a waiver claim in for him.

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Good, we are cutting guys other team want.


Earlier I said it was a good thing for him we cut him. I too think the timing odd, but it is far better for him to go in to the off season programs with a new team then hang in with us until first or last camp cuts.


Maybe this is a clue? Dorsey is a old backer who mostly stuck because of special teams play. Maybe Dorsey knows he is going to target a few backers in the draft and knows the kid wouldn't stick, but respects him enough to let him go now to give him the best chance to stick elsewhere.


Anyway, it sounds good, right?

It seems to me if you were a cling by your teeth to a roster spot, due to grit and determination and marginal skills like John, you'd have to have soft spot for a player who was much like you.

It would be far easier to cut the kid now and give him encouragement then to do it in late August, especially if you knew you were going to target a few backers in FA and the draft.

Maybe someone did that for John and he is paying it forward. He seems like a stand-up guy who would do that.


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They all got their break. Most decent people want to do the same for someone else.

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While I get it ad it's probably smart business for the Eagles... it feels. A little shady.... making the dude who won you a super bowl to pay you $2 million to be a free agent when you know you have no interest in keeping him... I know it's a business but feels a little wrong...


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While I get it ad it's probably smart business for the Eagles... it feels. A little shady.... making the dude who won you a super bowl to pay you $2 million to be a free agent when you know you have no interest in keeping him... I know it's a business but feels a little wrong...


The Colts cut Peyton Manning.

Like you said it’s a business.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818...targets#slide10


Interesting idea..


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Last year, Cleveland Browns general manager John Dorsey took two different approaches to supplement a roster that finished 0-16 in 2017.

First, Dorsey exploited inefficiencies in the trade market by acquiring wide receiver Jarvis Landry, safety Damarious Randall and quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

He also made minimal investments in former first-round busts with plenty of physical ability. Left tackle Greg Robinson and wide receiver Breshad Perriman became integral parts of the team's offense over the second half of the season.

Dorsey can marry those two concepts over the coming months.

The Browns aren't expected to be big spenders in free agency despite having the league's third-most salary-cap space, as they'll need to begin extension negotiations for multiple young contributors (Randall, Joe Schobert, Larry Ogunjobi, Myles Garrett, David Njoku and Jabrill Peppers) over the next two offseasons. Instead, Dorsey can trade for a disappointing-but-talented player to fill a team need.

The Carolina Panthers haven't fully developed Vernon Butler after selecting him with a first-round pick in the 2016 draft, and Cleveland has a gaping hole at 3-technique. The 24-year-old defensive tackle is stuck behind Dontari Poe and Kawann Short as he enters the final year of his rookie deal.

Butler played well in a rotational role under former Panthers and current Browns defensive coordinator Steve Wilks. He'd get an opportunity to start in Cleveland, while Carolina could recoup a draft asset.

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