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Not going to get into what happened and all of that for now.
He is a member of the team. The suspension? Still to be determined.
Let's say worst case ten games. (which I doubt).
Ok six games left in the season what do we have in Hunt the player?
I will go out on a limb. I can not think of a better backfield in football. Last year after Freddie took over we scored pretty easily. That was with Chubb and Baker in their first year and not having been starters.
We learned that Chubb is really good. One of the best actually.
Baker under Freddie took off. We were far from set at receiver. We added Perriman and got through injury to others. So we are not talking about much experience together.
Now we add Hunt. In 2017 he was rookie of the year and lead the league in rushing with 1327 yards. He had 8 TD's rushing with a 4.9 yard per carry average. In addition he caught 53 balls for 455 yards and 3 TD's.
In 2018 in 11 games 824 yards and 7 TD's rushing. Receiving he had 26 receptions for 378 yards and 7 TD's.
Not too shabby for a guy who turned 23 in August.
So Baker, Chubb, Duke, and Hunt with Hilliard another 23 year old as depth. Four guys are 23 years old. Duke is 25.
If we are in the playoff chase after 10 weeks and he comes on the team. What does that look like?
Unsure because I don't the league rules about practice etc.
What we can say is he can only help because he is really good.
How would he be worked into the lineup? Well only the imagination of Freddie and Monken will provide the answer but I like that kind of problem.
Hunt is about ten pounds lighter than Nick. Their styles are a little different. Nick actually had a better forty time 4.52 versus Hunt at 4.62.
Hunt is more of a cut back, read and go guy. Nick shows more power. Both can catch the ball.
Not an easy combination to deal with.
Also both are capable to be the feature guy if one were to get injured.
So we added a guy in Hunt before free agency and the draft that is already a proven premier player in the league.
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I just watched this highlight video of Hunt in action. I see a a running back with very good vision, great feet, good hands, and better power than I remember. I am excited to see him in Seal Brown and Burnt Orange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je69GB5hEGY
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I just watched this highlight video of Hunt in action. I see a a running back with very good vision, great feet, good hands, and better power than I remember. I am excited to see him in Seal Brown and Burnt Orange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je69GB5hEGY No doubt. It's one thing to say "well, if you watch a highlight vid, you're not seeing any of the bad things", but you also get a sense for some of the constants. The biggest thing for me was seeing that he runs a lot like Walter Payton. You do not "hit" him unless he simply did not see you coming... if he does, he initiates the contact, and he hits you. It's going to be interesting watching defenses try to find answers for two physical running backs, both of these guys will flat out run you over and neither gets cheated out of a single yard.
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Ohio produces much football talent, especially northeast Ohio. Living in Colorado, I was in awe, how I saw KC fans revel in football talent from Cleveland. Kelsey and Hunt.
We need to secure our own talent, we need to protect it. One reason I don’t think we talk about Denzel Ward enough.
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Once Hunt joins the roster (assuming there is a suspension) I don't see Hilliard on our roster he will be cut or better yet traded for a team in the need!
jmho and I expect hunt to do some Returns.
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My guess is Duke will be traded. He has more value. And that trade may come sooner rather than later.
If the suspension comes down and it 3 or 4 games. Hilliard may be the third guy and Duke traded in a package deal. Duke plus draft picks to get somebody.
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I think Hilliard is the key to Duke’s future ... Hunt is a wildcard for this year and he only signed a one year deal ... I have no clue how long he’s “ours” or if we can do anything but franchise tag him ... Hunt is a very very murky situation on many levels .. some of witch i’m clueless on (what our options are after this year as far as “forced” retention goes) ... At this point ... we have NO CLUE if he will be suspended for 4 games or 10 games ... I honestly believe what we think of Hilliard’s potential has way more to do with Duke’s future at this point ... All I know is I can’t wait for FA to start .. this is gonna be FUN FUN FUN!!!! LETS GOOOOOOOooooooooooooo .... 
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From my understanding the Browns control Hunt for two years. Meaning they have the option on year two. I believe he could become a RFA.
The reality in my opinion is Hunt will be a model citizen. I mean why would he not?
He already missed five games last year. And he has not been charged.
Dorsey on Duke "not yet".
Meaning when the Hunt situation clarifies; Duke becomes expendable. Of course he does because there will not be enough touches.
Hilliard is insurance on injury and may just be cut or put on the practice squad.
I don't see a future for Duke with the Browns for sure after this coming season.
If the Hunt suspension is ten games. Maybe he stays. If the suspension is short Duke may be gone soon.
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The thing I think some are missing is how much do you invest from the perspective of cap space at the RB position?
Now if Hunt is here for one year and gone through RFA, I think Duke may be safe. But let's not forget that Duke signed a three year deal where over 8 mil. of that contract is not guaranteed. Signing Hunt to an extension won't be cheap. So are we going to pay both of them big money in a tandem RB situation? I don't think so.
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I love Duke, but Hunt is a better player. It sucks, but that's the way things work.
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Just my take but I highly doubt Dorsey did this deal with the intentions of having Hunt for a questionable amount of time for one year.
He is 23. Dorsey wants Hunt and Chubb long term. Meaning five years.
He is getting 1 mil with limitations and no guarantees.
If all goes well they have money. I could see a three year deal for a negotiated amount that would work for all parties.
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I'm sure that's the intended goal. Sometimes that's just not the way things work out though. It's a no lose situation. We either get Hunt or a high draft pick.
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U also have to take into consideration with Hunt that we trade him like the fish did with VICE GRIPS last year ... tag him and then trade him ... we’ll get a lot more for Hunt than the morons accepted for a top 15 reciever in the NFL ... we STOLE HIM .. Pit made a great point about how much $$$ u want to pay the RB position .. we have Chubb for really cheap the next 2 two 3 years ... Lots of balls in the air here .. all i know is there ALL GREAT BALLS to have right now .. it will be extremely diffucult for this to end up bad for us ... extremely difficult ...
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All good.
Not to get into the incident but I believe it will be forgotten quickly. Unless Hunt is really a bad guy or not too bright.
From what I have read about his time in KC. He was a popular player and a good teammate.
So in the end I think this will turn out well.
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I find a reason and a way to keep Duke and use him. Just feel we haven't found a good way to make best use of him yet.
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all i know is there ALL GREAT BALLS to have right now I see what you did there..
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j/c:
I have weighed in on this on the other Hunt thread, but to reiterate:
--Hunt is a premier backs. Probably one of the very best in the entire NFL.
--He is a very good receiver in addition to his running abilities.
--I don't know what the NFL will do in regards to the suspension. I think games is fair, but I keep hearing 10-12. I think the NFL should consider that he missed 5 games last year. Thus, I think 6 is fair. But, I doubt it will be about being fair.
--I think that we can trade Hunt if we so desire for a high pick. However, I hope we keep him. He is that dynamic.
--Duke? I don't see us trading him right away if Hunt faces a lengthy suspension. I do see Duke being move eventually.
--Once again, another great move by Dorsey.
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I think Hilliard is the key to Duke’s future ... Hunt is a wildcard for this year and he only signed a one year deal ... I have no clue how long he’s “ours” or if we can do anything but franchise tag him ... Hunt is a very very murky situation on many levels .. some of witch i’m clueless on (what our options are after this year as far as “forced” retention goes) ... At this point ... we have NO CLUE if he will be suspended for 4 games or 10 games ... I honestly believe what we think of Hilliard’s potential has way more to do with Duke’s future at this point ... All I know is I can’t wait for FA to start .. this is gonna be FUN FUN FUN!!!! LETS GOOOOOOOooooooooooooo .... This one is the right answer and I don't know how much the brass likes Hilliard. I just don't see us starting to throw weapons away yet with so little depth. Perhaps if we get a couple more sure fire threats at WR Duke might be expendable also. You don't find sure fire WR's in the draft though. You might find great prospects but the jump from college to the NFL is tough at WR.
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I dream the combo becomes Ingram and kamara. Baker gives his best brees impersonation. Of course we missing a Thomas.
But Ingram kamara combo hope, is very doable with Chub and Hunt. We might even be better.
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I find a reason and a way to keep Duke and use him. Just feel we haven't found a good way to make best use of him yet. I dont get this thought that always comes out when we get a new player that someone that is high on the depth chart at that position is going to go. Duke is a versatile player and his versatility will keep him here as our 3rd down back. Hunt and Chubb will be our two headed monster as our RBs and Duke will be our 3rd down/specialist back. He will not see many carries out of the backfield but will be used in 3rd down passing situations and in situations where he starts in the backfield and then motions into the slot. He causes problems for teams trying to cover him with a LB
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It would also be smart to keep in mind that injuries happen, and Duke is a very good safety net.
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If Hunt's suspension is six weeks or less, Duke could be gone by draft day. Wouldn't expect it to happen, but his potential upside has value in a trade. Without looking at the draft order, there has to be teams, 8-16, that are in dire need of a "known commodity". Swapping picks and targeting their needs while securing Duke... while we take our best overall player in the 2019 draft. Sounds like a win-win if that player is there. If hes a DL, there's a decent chance he will be.
I expect Hunt's suspension to be the max - 10 weeks. I say the max because there is no way the league will tell him to be our puppet AND lose an accrued season. If they did, there would be a grievance filed and the argument for time he already "served" in 2018. The league's biggest obligation, to itself, is to limit its black eyes for the foreseeable future.
I'm really hoping we keep Duke and engage him in the offense properly... finally. If we're playing well when Hunt joins us, we may all wake up feeling dangerous... during a run at the playoffs.
Imagine Duke, Chubb and Hunt in the "Inverted Wishbone", deep in enemy territory, in a late December game to decide a playoff berth. I don't think there are many DCs that would like to imagine that.
That's the fantasy scenario. But isn't it also the scenario with the highest upside? We're in a definite position to chase the highest upside for the next few years. Especially with elite running backs / game changers at $1m per year.
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j/c:
I have weighed in on this on the other Hunt thread, but to reiterate:
--Hunt is a premier backs. Probably one of the very best in the entire NFL.
--He is a very good receiver in addition to his running abilities.
--I don't know what the NFL will do in regards to the suspension. I think games is fair, but I keep hearing 10-12. I think the NFL should consider that he missed 5 games last year. Thus, I think 6 is fair. But, I doubt it will be about being fair.
--I think that we can trade Hunt if we so desire for a high pick. However, I hope we keep him. He is that dynamic.
--Duke? I don't see us trading him right away if Hunt faces a lengthy suspension. I do see Duke being move eventually.
--Once again, another great move by Dorsey. I agree. The only hitch is that Hunt missed games because he was released, not suspended, thus I am not hopeful that the NFL will consider that. How many games was Mixon suspended? His violent act was way worse than Hunts. JMO
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If Hunt's suspension is six weeks or less, Duke could be gone by draft day. Wouldn't expect it to happen, but his potential upside has value in a trade. Without looking at the draft order, there has to be teams, 8-16, that are in dire need of a "known commodity". Swapping picks and targeting their needs while securing Duke... while we take our best overall player in the 2019 draft. Sounds like a win-win if that player is there. If hes a DL, there's a decent chance he will be.
I expect Hunt's suspension to be the max - 10 weeks. I say the max because there is no way the league will tell him to be our puppet AND lose an accrued season. If they did, there would be a grievance filed and the argument for time he already "served" in 2018. The league's biggest obligation, to itself, is to limit its black eyes for the foreseeable future.
I'm really hoping we keep Duke and engage him in the offense properly... finally. If we're playing well when Hunt joins us, we may all wake up feeling dangerous... during a run at the playoffs.
Imagine Duke, Chubb and Hunt in the "Inverted Wishbone", deep in enemy territory, in a late December game to decide a playoff berth. I don't think there are many DCs that would like to imagine that.
That's the fantasy scenario. But isn't it also the scenario with the highest upside? We're in a definite position to chase the highest upside for the next few years. Especially with elite running backs / game changers at $1m per year.
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Even if Hunt is suspended 5 games, I doubt we trade Duke before the season kicks-off. Any playoff hopes go down the drain if he is traded and Chubb goes down early. My thinking is if we trade Duke, it will be at the trade deadline and getting a pick for next year. Actually, I would probably prefer to gain a 2nd or 3rd rounder for next year. We have enough ammo to move around this year. I'd like to be in the same position for next year as well. This years draft probably won't make us a championship caliber club. Next years draft might be the one to do that.
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I am really interested in how the new coaches might use him, better than Huey and Haley managed to do. I write off some of that "planning" as holding Duke back. I think he has not been used best where he is most capable ad most able to shine. Especially, I think Dorsey has an eye for many things, better than we have had, and that talent is one of the strongest.
He does not seem to be calling to rid himself of Duke yet.
And maybe it is time for a little nod of respect as the trend is headed up. Duke has done what was asked of him, especially during that dumpster fire season. More than plenty of talent for a one-year show me.
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I dont get this thought that always comes out when we get a new player that someone that is high on the depth chart at that position is going to go. I have asked this same question. Why not drop from the bottom of the depth chart? Salary cap would be the only reason I can think of that would justify removing someone higher on the depth chart, but that is not an issue for us right now.
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Regarding Duke's usage. I posted the stats multiple times and won't bother to look them all up again since people ignore them, but Duke had a very high usage rate when Hue was calling the plays.
His usage was decreased dramatically w/Haley. When Kitchen's took over, he used him in the first game or two but then utilize him very much after that.
The bottom line is that Duke was used more than almost all of the NFL backs who possess similar size and skill when Hue was here. Duke should not be utilized as a top RB in the mold of Zeke, Barkley, Gurley, Bell, etc.
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This is true.
Duke was used 42% of the time this past year and 53% of the time the year before.
I read that we were using Haley's gameplan and playbook. Haley also uses only one RB with a certain set of skills that Duke did not possess. I'd expect Duke to be used more next season. Although a trade wouldn't surprise me.
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I don't want to trade him, but Duke won't play much if we keep Hunt. Surely, Duke would not be happy in such a setting and we could probably acquire compensation in an area of greater need.
With that said, I don't know if we will keep Hunt or trade him. The guy is one of the very best backs in the NFL. I am not sure if people on here realize just how good he is. He isn't going to be sitting on the bench when he returns from his suspension.
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I am still drooling (Like I have been for years) at the thought of using two backs in the backfield at the same time. Chubb/Hunt, Hunt/Duke, Chubb/Duke all three can run, catch, and block and I still say teams in today's NFL would have to sell out to stop us leaving the passing game wide open for Baker if they do.
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I am still drooling (Like I have been for years) at the thought of using two backs in the backfield at the same time. Chubb/Hunt, Hunt/Duke, Chubb/Duke all three can run, catch, and block and I still say teams in today's NFL would have to sell out to stop us leaving the passing game wide open for Baker if they do. Byner/Mack.
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My guess is Duke will be traded. He has more value. And that trade may come sooner rather than later.
If the suspension comes down and it 3 or 4 games. Hilliard may be the third guy and Duke traded in a package deal. Duke plus draft picks to get somebody.
Well, if we trade Duke, I sure as heck hope it's after Hunt returns from suspension. Duke is signed for a while,,, 2 more years I think? We Hunt plays and does well, there is no guarantee he's resign so I have some questions about getting rid of Duke..
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Kareem Hunt is an exceptional talent in both the running and passing game.
If he's able to get on the field and contribute, the Browns will be a better team for it.
Hopefully, his past transgressions are in the past.
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My guess is Duke will be traded. He has more value. And that trade may come sooner rather than later.
If the suspension comes down and it 3 or 4 games. Hilliard may be the third guy and Duke traded in a package deal. Duke plus draft picks to get somebody.
Well, if we trade Duke, I sure as heck hope it's after Hunt returns from suspension. Duke is signed for a while,,, 2 more years I think? We Hunt plays and does well, there is no guarantee he's resign so I have some questions about getting rid of Duke.. We have RFA rights to Hunt for next season.
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I think Hunt feels like he is home. He will sign here if we are anywhere close.
We gave him a 2nd chance. He will sign with us even if we don't have the best offer.
That isn't to say our offer can be 5mil off. A discount might be a mil. At minimum he will give us a second chance to close the gap.
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Why trade Duke just because we signed Kareem Hunt? Duke is signed for 3 years, Hunt is a RFA after this year giving the Browns the right to match any offer he gets, and Chubb has 3 more years before he is a free agent.
This is what I would call depth at a position and until salary cap becomes an issue keep all 3. Injuries happen in the NFL.
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Why trade Duke just because we signed Kareem Hunt? Why ask questions that have already been answered?
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Why trade Duke just because we signed Kareem Hunt? Why ask questions that have already been answered? I guess it's because he can post whatever the hell he wants. Someone said that here recently.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir
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