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I certainly agree. When your leader uses division as key talking point, things only get worse.

Justify your paranoia.

The rest of us live in the real world.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm white. What would I have ti be paranoid about?

Are you trying to deny that the number of hate groups are at a 20 year high and on the rise?

It's not paranoia, there is a "one sided" element to it though. It's on the rise because both sides are doing it.

In just this one article, you can see why it's on the rise. One woman gets unhinged by a hat.... a plow driver covers anti-trumpers is slush.....Merica

How many white supremacists have you all met?

Legit ones. Burning crosses and wearing hoods.

Not the imaginary boogeyman kind in your head.

I have certainly been called plenty of hateful names in these threads and it ain't conservatives or whites always doing it.

Plenty of hate going on these days, no wonder the globe is warming.

Serious questions:

- Do you think Trump is divisive?
- Does Trump try to appeal across the full spectrum of the population of the USA or does he pander to his base?
- Does his base include some white supremacists and nationalists? (they don't support anyone else - let's be real)
- Do you think that Trump calling himself a Nationalist means he loves his country or do you think it's a way to appease and appeal to the White Supremacists?
- Do you think Trump attacks the media constantly when they report negatively on him? (I'll grant that there is too much negative spin from the left - but Obama dealt with the same schtick and didn't demean himself and the office like Trump does)

Given all that and assuming that you agree that he's divisive, appeals to his base that includes some WS .... do you really think his attitude and the culture he projects doesn't enable and encourage the racists ?

I don't know if that makes a dozen people more proactively racist - or if it's 100, a thousand or or a hundred thousand ... but there is going to be a direct correlation.

Feds: Coast Guard lieutenant compiled hit list of lawmakers

https://www.apnews.com/e919eb94af514cfc9a43982fc7e2e617

Florida Trump supporter charged in chilling mail-bomb plot

https://www.apnews.com/46514c3eb6fb474c9ac1df2c24b0acf5

I have a news flash for you you, Trump isnt doing a damn thing to you.

But you and your fellow paranoid alt left spend way more time spreading your hate around the internet than Trump ever could.

I have never even seen one in real life. I have never even heard of one as someone who "knows a guy". The biggest Trump fan I know is a first generation Chinese.

But just because I haven't seen a space station in person doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So you are denying these 1000 groups exist and hate groups or on the rise or not?

I actually went to school with a few that grew up to be exactly as you descried. They do exist. The groups are increasing and their membership is growing. I guess you missed all of the film footage from Charlottesville?

The black nationalist movement is a reaction to centuries of institutionalized white supremacy in America. Black nationalists believe the answer to white racism is to form separate institutions — or even a separate nation — for black people. Most forms of black nationalism are strongly anti-white and anti-Semitic. Some religious versions assert that black people are the biblical "chosen people" of God.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-nationalist

Yeah, that's the same thing as a Trump supporter sending pipe bombs. The same as a white supremacist running over a group of people with a car in Charlottesville and the same as an Ex- Coast Guard member having a huge hit list of democrats and journalists.

You go girl!

But how can it be???

According to the alt left, White Supremacists are everywhere, behind every corner, stalking black people to beat them up and lynch them. Waiting to do um, I have no idea, to illegals.

Hide your babies! The White Supremacists are coming!

But the rise in anti-immigrant sentiment had also created “an equal yet opposite reaction,” the Southern Poverty Law Center said. As the number of white supremacist groups rose, so did the number of radical black nationalist groups that espoused anti-white, anti-Semitic or anti-gay and anti-transgender views.

The center said the number of those groups had risen to 264 in 2018 from 233 in 2017, but it noted that the influence of black nationalism in mainstream politics was highly limited.

It did, however, point specifically to comments by the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who the center said echoed white supremacist myths of a looming white genocide in his rhetoric about President Trump, whom he has accused of “planning genocide” against African-Americans.

Mr. Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam have been connected to a continuing controversy surrounding the anti-Trump Women’s March organization, two of whose national leaders have been accused of sympathizing with Mr. Farrakhan and privately expressing anti-Semitic opinions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/us/hate-groups-rise.html

Yeah, the shooter at the synagogue in Pittsburgh was black. Oh no, wait, he wasn't. Hitler wasn't black either.

Pittsburgh synagogue gunman said he wanted all Jews to die, criminal complaint says

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting/index.html

Since nobody actually ever said that you're starting to sound a lot like trump.

"Eve said something I dont like. She must be Trump."

NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY
The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and antisemitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party

It was the lie you told that made you sound like trump.

I didn't say he was doing something to me.

I said he was encouraging and enabling hate groups across America.

You might not think it's a big deal if it doesn't affect you personally. I disagree and think it is bad for the Nation.

Except he really isnt. He is just a blabbering idiot.

The vile behavior of left is what drives the alt right.

You're just too blind to see it.

So what's your point? Or don't you have one.

I'd hate to spend time countering your post for you to come back with your classic from yesterday of "I didn't express anything - I posted a link" .... I bet that's won you lots of debates!

My point is what Pit says all the time about everything...

BOTH SIDES DO IT

On that I disagree.

I think extremism on either side is bad. As I have posted on many occasions, there are idiots on both sides and using one, whether it's the guy from Empire or the Coast Guard who was just arrested, to try and paint the other side as tarnished like a "gotcha" is moronic.

I think the actions, speech, tweeting and enabling of the most powerful man on the planet - the POTUS - has a direct and significant impact on the hate groups in the USA. Whether he's a babbling buffoon or not.

You are right. Both sides do it.

So we shouldn't talk about it when it happens? We shouldn't discuss how the POTUS is impacting hate in the USA? Is THAT what you are saying?

I'm beginning to think I am. I'm talking about injustices and everyone else is talking about Jussie. I don't really know who he is at all other than a clip I saw on the news about him faking an attack for attention by paying some guys off to jump him. Had pretty much ignored this thread until yesterday.

I agree with that. What can't be disputed is the extreme to which it's done.

I've given several examples.

The synagogue bombing in Pittsburgh. The former coast guard arrest who was plotting to kill several democrats and journalist. The Trump supporter sending all of those pipe bombs to Democrats. The man who ran over a crowd in Charlottesville.

You can surely talk about the rhetoric and hatred that runs in both directions. But when you start counting body bags you're going to fall short in making your point.

Youre wonderîng why people are talking about Jussie Smollet on a thread about Jussie Smollet?

best post i have seen for some time. that was funny, glad i didn't have a mouthful of coffee

Yes, the left deflects attention away from their hatred all day every day by crying about Trump.

I see you just keep spouting more crap rather than address things like the synagogue bombing in Pittsburgh. The former coast guard arrest who was plotting to kill several democrats and journalist. The Trump supporter sending all of those pipe bombs to Democrats. The man who ran over a crowd in Charlottesville.

Yeah those things never happened and white supremacists don't exist.

Is it crying? Hating? or maybe even Derangement? Or a little bit of everything mixed together? . . . . Maybe they just care a lot and see a babbling buffoon of a criminal in office and don't want people to be so apathetic about it? Or maybe the right wing media has got you to pay so much attention to the extreme 2% on the fringe that you're telling yourself something that isn't reflective of the norm? OCD and others do NOT reflect the norm.

So a handful of people are evil. So what?

To make an analogy, that would be like blaming all muslims because some terrorists exist.

I dont read/watch any right wing media. I see the way you all spread hate everywhere on the internet and then try to annoint Trump as the antichrist.

You dont take into account how tired people get of the left's hateful BS. All it does is make people align against you. People who never cared before.

Thought the topic got derailed like many others. That's what I get for posting while I feel like crap. Fighting a head cold must have my thinker glitching.

I'm no Trump supporter, but I have seen no evidence of this. I do believe his presidency has resulted in divisiveness, but I have not seen Trump encourage or enable hate groups. If you have direct evidence of this, I would like to see it.

I do believe certain people and organizations have used this presidency to justify bad behavior and use it as de facto permissiveness to vilify groups or peoples they don't "like" or agree with. I don't know why, though I believe it's likely his stance on issues concerning immigration.

I also believe the underlying hate directed at various groups, by various groups and individuals has been seething for quite a while. The anonymity of the internet has helped embolden groups and individuals to spew and even act on their hate, as there is little or no consequence.

To a degree, we've all likely been guilty of it in some form or another. I know I have. And it's something I work on. There comes a point, at times, when trying to make a point, or argue an issue, the ego comes into play and passion for a belief causes us to lash out. Ironically, when this happens, the message is rarely, if ever heard. It is only through kindness and willingness to at least hear other points of view that we are able to effectively communicate. Often, when the time is taken to do that, logic is allowed to prevail.

As a nation, instead of growing more tolerant we've become less tolerant. It's also happening elsewhere around the world. Europe specifically. So it becomes the obligation of each individual to examine beliefs and reasonings to see where feelings of hatred and discord come from. Much of it is learned behavior, taught to us through example. I personally find extremism in any form to be harmful, but believe social, political, racial, sexual, or religious differences themselves are not justifiable reasons for hatred, mistrust, exclusion, or vilifying. Reasonableness must be applied whenever possible.

On a base level, we all know this. It's time we start practicing it as well, speaking out when we see behavior that is unacceptable. Not in a mean, hateful or destructive way, but in a loving, questioning, guiding way.

We're fortunate in our forums here in that most of us have had the pleasure of interacting with each other for many years. We have our beloved football team to bind us, finding common ground where we all gather as one. We also have our differences, but for the most part, mutual respect is the norm, and we're not afraid to call each other out on our bull$#!%. Sometimes kindly. Sometimes not.

Do I believe in a Utopian society where everyone gets along, and its all champagne and roses? Not yet. There are times when we must fight. When individuals, groups, organizations, or countries demand more than is their right, and revert to force to get it. Then, we must fight. But never over a difference of opinion, race, or life choice.

Bottom line, I have no answer for the hate, but I know the most effective weapons against it are love, education, and compassion. That can start with a single individual. What we must ask ourselves is, am I a perpetuator or a peacemaker?

JMHO

Well without even thinking about it for a second:

Trump would not denounce David Duke's endorsement of him for President. Trump - despite a mountain of evidence to show otherwise - claimed he did not know who David Duke is.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david-duke-i-think-trump-knows-who-i-am

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

And then at a Charlottesville Nationalist rally where someone drive into a crowd of protesters and killed one of them - Trump said there was good people on both sides and tried to appease the WS / Nationalists.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...h-sides/537012/

I am certain there are others who can recall other issues. . . I also remember a Trump story about black employees at his casinos ... a quick google found this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...career-and-life

From that article:

Trump branched out from residential real estate into the casino business in the 1980s. Employees revealed a pattern of racism. In a tell-all book, former president of the Trump Plaza Casino John O’Donnell said Trump once told him: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

Another former Trump employee told the New Yorker that black staff were hidden from Trump when he visited the casino with his wife. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” said Kip Brown.