Trump has absolutely no qualifications other than being a failed businessman and a prime time face.
You forgot to mention over 2 years experience as President of the United States of America and 2 years experience as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America.
Ha! Good one. Were you leaning on that when you voted for him?
And since he has sucked at both continuously and not learned a damn thing, he still basically has ZERO EXPERIENCE.
The problem with most of you claiming the rise in hate groups is a result of Trump being president is that you completely leave out the responsibility that Obama had as well.
When you claim that you are a uniter, then you spend 8 years calling half the country uneducated racists through thinly veiled comments and not denouncing people that do the same, that is dividing.
When good people are sick and tired of being called uneducated racists, that is how you end up Trump as president.
I didn't vote for Trump as president, as I don't think he morally lives up the standard of a president. I'm just saying why he won.
Fact is though, if Obama actually did a good job as president, we wouldn't have Trump. That is why Obama is also a failed president, in my eyes.
Until Democrats learn that calling everyone racist is not the way combat the true hate out there (and trust me, there is), this is going to be a problem.
the only responsibility obama had in hate crimes is that he was the first black president in our country.
you're blaming obama for him being born black as the reason hate crimes went up. remember all the white people marching in the streets claiming that obama was a foreign born kenyan muslim?
yea, somehow thats obama's fault, ya know, cause he was born a minority. and yet you don't say a word to the guy currently sitting in the oval who launched his campaign based on the fact that obama is a foreign born muslim.
pathetic.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
yea, somehow thats obama's fault, ya know, cause he was born a minority. and yet you don't say a word to the guy currently sitting in the oval who launched his campaign based on the fact that obama is a foreign born muslim.
I see you didn't read my post, as this part is factually incorrect. So, I will not be responding to your self-contradicting post.
Oh I read your post. You just didn’t say anything worth much. Just vague comments like everyone else, with little substance.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i agree. but he was certainly treated as all black by the tea party cult.
they certainly wasn't marching in the streets yelling for him to go back to europe, thats for sure.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
yea, except it wasn't close to just being the tea party.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yeah, well that's your accusation. Just like with you, sometimes the squeaky wheel is the one that gets heard. The other three wheels don't get that kind of press because they aren't making all that noise.
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Probably because they’re flat and just as worthless. The other 3 wheels on the conservative clown car certainly didn’t do much to defend the president against those racist remarks. That’s for damn sure. They just let it happen, allowing it to completely take over their ideology/party.
And now we have the ring leader of the birther movement sitting in the oval.
Yea, the other 3 wheels are just as useles.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I notice you never give credit to the millions of white people it took to get Obama elected or the millions of white people who stood up for ending slavery and the approximately 360,000 Union soldiers who died to accomplish that.
I guess their wheels didn't squeak loud enough for you either.
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I’ve been on record multiple times giving them credit. You’re fake news now.
Pit = trump.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Odd cause she’s now worth more than any of us on this board.
Quite the example you chose.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Where it helps is to not lump everyone who feels differently than me as the same. It helps me not jump to conclusion about everyone's motives.
Yes, there are those that fall into the category of being extremists. But that's a road that travels both ways. I don't feel everyone who disagrees with me is my enemy. I don't see politics as an all or nothing game.
It keeps me grounded to the point I understand that asking for some extreme swing to the left will only help Trump get re-elected and not lead to the change that some seem to use the prime example of, "I want it all and I want it now!" That's not a winning strategy and will only backfire.
It helps me to understand that most Americans are moderate and Independent voters that aren't going to support uber radical ideas and policies. I think Obama understood all of that. I'm not so sure that this newer crop of liberals do.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
worked for conservatives. they didn't care about independents and got everything they wanted. can't blame liberals for believing the same thing can happen. worked in the midterms.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If liberals start believing the same thing Trump does, then we're all going to hell.
Apathy got Trump elected. No candidate worth a damn was running. Running on hard left wing policies will cause more people to vote for Trump, not less.
Like I said, it looks like we will find out. And like I said, if the candidate they nominate are far left enough, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
Alienating middle America cost the Dems the last election. At some point you would think they would learn from experience.
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no offense but we heard that same useless rhetoric during the election, and the far right got their guy and the complete control of government. one of the biggest problems with hillary is that she didn't go left enough.
we have completely different perspectives on this. the difference is that i have a 2016 and 2018 election as evidence to back up what i believe.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think you're denying the evidence from 2016. The Dems lost states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. Congressional seats are won by district, not by state. A far left platform will only further alienate the mid west and cost the presidency in 2018.
The Dems didn't lose the mid west because they "weren't liberal enough".
While you point out 2018, you seem to neglect the fact that the GOP actually increased their numbers in the senate.
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It's going to be interesting to see where the country is at.
I agree that I don't think the country wants far left policies - and I think the reason Trump won without caring about the independents had more to do with Hilary than anything else. . . In my opinion politics is broken because of the division and alienation - and extreme left or xtreme right won't fix that. Someone centerist that can reach across the aisle and get things accomplished even if it means compromise (especially if it means compromise) is what is needed.
I do think there is a wave of young voters who are more idealist and much further left ... but i don't think it's their time yet. They are important and they are the future, but let's mend the broken system see more bipartisan effort not less.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
It's going to be interesting to see where the country is at.
I agree that I don't think the country wants far left policies - and I think the reason Trump won without caring about the independents had more to do with Hilary than anything else. . . In my opinion politics is broken because of the division and alienation - and extreme left or xtreme right won't fix that. Someone centerist that can reach across the aisle and get things accomplished even if it means compromise (especially if it means compromise) is what is needed.
I do think there is a wave of young voters who are more idealist and much further left ... but i don't think it's their time yet. They are important and they are the future, but let's mend the broken system see more bipartisan effort not less.
I agree with a lot of this, however I do not see a "centrist" winning the presidency. Not that I would mind a centrist, but today's political environment will not allow it. Especially on the Democrat side. It seems there is no room for a centrist to be included in their platform. Check out the front runners for their 2020 nomination. The Republicans have a little leeway, but not much, but more so than Dems.
the dems lost the generals because hillary wasn't liberal enough. part of the many reasons as to why.
everyone knew the GOP was gonna have the house and senate in 2016. but the far right got trump elected, and the far right have the GOP by the balls.
the far right IGNORE you, the independent, and still got everything they wanted.
ill repeat that again.
the far right IGNORE you, the independent, and still got everything they wanted.
the GOP lost a ton of elections in 2018, in part because some werent Trumpish enough.
2018 saw a wave of progressive liberals winning house elections. and now that movement has only continued, to the point where if it were sanders vs Trump right now, sanders would win.
i've even come around to the thought that sanders would've probably won in 2016, although im still very much skeptical of that.
again, i have evidence, you have feelings.
Pit = Newt Gingrich
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
No way ever Sanders wins the presidency. Independents will never vote for him. Actually what American would vote for him?
He would get slaughtered in a presidential election.
same thing was said about Trump. yall really need to learn to stop talking about future elections in absolutes.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Here's what you're advocating even though you aren't even aware of it. You're advocating winning states like California, New York and Washington by even greater margins is going to hand you a presidential election. Well it's not. Winning the states you already win will accomplish nothing.
The left uses polling numbers that say the majority of Americans support X, Y and Z. What they fail to address is that the majority has already lost two presidential elections in the last two decades. What's actually important is where do these majorities live.
You're going to ignore the mid west just like you did last time because you, "want everything you want and you want it now!". It's the product of your generation. And the results will be the same as last time.
The sad part is we'll all pay for such a shallow and ill conceived plan.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Were you leaning on that when you voted for him?
