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Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Kyler Murray did not work out at the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine, but after interviewing with several NFL teams at the event, there is still plenty to dissect.

NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly said on Tuesday afternoon that Murray is garnering "the worst comments" Casserly has ever heard about a high-rated quarterback after the combine:

"He better hope [Kliff] Kingsbury takes him No. 1 because this was not good. These were the worst comments I ever got on a high-rated quarterback and I've been doing this a long time...leadership—not good. Study habits—not good. The board work—below not good. Not good at all in any of those areas, raising major concerns about what this guy is going to do.

"Now, people will say we're going to compare him to [Patrick] Mahomes, we're going to run an offense like Mahomes, we're going to run an offense like Baker Mayfield. ... But those guys are much different. Those guys, you never questioned them about their ability on the board, you never questioned their leadership ability, their work habits. ... [Murray] is not outstanding in those areas and it showed up in the interview."

Back in October 2018 while still the head coach at Texas Tech, Kingsbury said of the Oklahoma product, "I would take him with the first pick of the draft if I could."

Kingsbury is the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, who own the first overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft on April 25. Josh Rosen, the No. 10 overall pick of the 2018 draft, is the current Cardinals starter.

There has been some positive feedback from Murray's appearance at the combine, too.

Should the Cardinals choose not to embark on an early divorce with Rosen, Peter King of NBC Sports told the Dan Patrick Show on Monday that Oakland Raiders head coach Jon Gruden "is very interested in Kyler Murray."

ESPN draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. told the show on Tuesday that he believes the Cardinals "have to take Kyler Murray and trade Josh Rosen."

To that point, Bleacher Report's Matt Miller has Murray going to the Cardinals at No. 1 overall in his latest mock draft. Miller notes, "Throughout the week in Indianapolis, I didn't run into one agent, scout, coach or general manager who thought anyone but Kyler Murray would be the top overall pick."

Murray originally intended to play baseball for the Oakland A's, who drafted Murray No. 9 overall in the 2018 MLB draft. However, he stated on Feb. 11 that he is "firmly and fully" committed to becoming an NFL quarterback.

Murray intends to work out fully for NFL teams for the first time at Oklahoma's pro day on March 13.

I think Kyler Murray can be a very good QB.

When I have seen him speak, he has not come across as very intelligent or thoughtful.

Dumb as hell and 14 starts.

Recipe for disaster.

Did Charlie Casserly interview Murray - I think not. Would it behoove certain teams to provide disinformation about Murray, perhaps.

I don't think Casserly is a dishonest guy. He seems very credible.

Well, we interviewed him, and he came across as knowledgeable, confident and a born-leader .... but Charlie Casserly says other teams found him to be a terrible interview, so we're not going to draft him.

What good is that kind of "disinformation" going to do?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/taking-closer-look-charley-casserly-230304239.html

As Patriots coach Bill Belichick said about Casserly more than nine years ago, “Who’s been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist.”

I think there is a very distinct difference between being wrong in evaluations and being dishonest about what you have heard.

But then if you read the NFL.com and watch the NFL Network, Charlie Casserly is saying he's hearing that Murray isn't all that great. not sure what to make of any of this to be honest. But if the Cards Dump/Trade Rosen and pick Murray, that might throw the draft off a bit.

If Kingsbury's going to go all whacko on the Cards, he should just sign Manziel since he already knows the scheme.

I think many people agree that the hiring of Kingsbury was shocking and a huge gamble. Kingsbury had a losing record at Texas Tech and was going to go to USC as an offensive coordinator and not a head coach.

Now, the Cardinals are apparently so enamored w/him that they are willing to dump a guy they traded up for in the first round last year and go w/a qb who isn't exactly a traditional qb?

Sounds risky to me.

This sounds like a disaster in the making.

The interview thing is VERY concerning to me if I am a Cardinals fan. Yikes.

Murray will be the next in line of overrated busts. Everything about this dude screams buyer beware

I have to agree +1

Casserly is one of the main reasons why I stopped watching talking heads talk about the draft.

Epic-level understatement.

I'm thankful for one thing as far as the draft,that we had the #1 pick last year and not this year. These QB's don't look anywhere near as good as last years group. For once we caught a break!!

I have seen Baker do NFL passing; can you point me to some video of Kyler doing NFL passing? Been looking, no luck yet.

We are finally having a QB draft discussion. Thank God the discussion is not about which QB we should pick.

They literally played in the same offense.

This guy knows...

“I know Kyler met with a lot of different teams at the combine and I’ve personally spoken with the majority of the teams that he met with and every one of them were glowing in their reports about Kyler,” Riley said.
Basically the complete opposite of what Casserly threw out there.
“You’re not going to make everyone happy. That is true. One team didn’t like him and that’s OK. And trust me, there’s about 25 others out there that absolutely love him.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/lincoln-riley-p...-143654318.html

Yes they did. The point is so did a lot f college QB's. That doesn't mean they'll make a successful transition to the NFL. You can extrapolate your comment to any successful QB's who played under any HC in the NCAA. Just because one of their QB's made it in the NFL doesn't mean the one who follows him as the teams starter will also be successful.

How a player transitions from the NCAA to the NFL isn't because of the system they were playing in.

So if they agree with your opinion, they know. If they disagree with your opinion they don't know. Hmmmm....

There's a lot of that type of thinking that goes on here.

That's not what I said at all. The dude asked if Murray made passes like Baker did. Yes he did, they played in the exact same offense, they both put up great numbers and both won Heismans.

The funny part is that people tried to create the narrative that Baker was "Running, Manziel type QB".....but Kyler Murray ran for 1,001 yards last season, Baker ran for 1,083....in 4 seasons.

I'm not sure if that's what he meant at all. And if that's not what you meant, I simply misunderstood.

No matter how you slice it I don't see it being the same thing. Once again you're talking about college, not the NFL.

In the NFL the speed of the game is faster. The windows are smaller. The throws one makes in college won't be the same as in the NFL.

Baker made that transition. His talent allowed him to adjust well to the speed of the game. He managed to do well throwing into tighter windows. That doesn't mean the next man up can accomplish that.

I believe that's what the above poster was referring to. Murray hasn't done it in the NFL. And it is a different animal making those throws in the NFL.

I'm not saying Murray can't do it. Thankfully I haven't had to study QB's this year. Point being, there are a lot of QB's who flourish in the NCAA that simply don't transition well in the NFL. And when the game speed is slower and the windows are larger, it's hard to predict how those changes at the next level will play out.

This is such an asinine point because none of these players look like NFL players because they are all playing college football. And that goes beyond position or era. That's why we scout players to determine future success.

Baker and Johnny are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Those who said Baker was Johnny 2.0 look like fools now... It's like saying Kaepernick is Peyton Manning 2.0 because they were similar in size.

Murray is not Baker 2.0.

True. And about what one would expect 4.3 vs. 4.8 40's.

It's also why the QB failure rate in first round QB picks is so high. When you try to oversimplify the process you fail.

Or it's a supply and demand option where teams will take a bad QB in the first round because they need to. But I don't think anyone is oversimplifying besides those who think you can't compare NFL players to incoming NFL players, because incoming NFL players haven't played in the NFL.

In your rush to make things up and belittle others, you misunderstood what he actually said and asked. Here is exactly what was said:

The dude was more specific, in response to the other dude.

I asked about NFL passing. Someone said Baker had nothing on Kyler when it came to NFL passing, or something along those lines. But specifically NFL passing. I am curious as to what samples there would be of Kyler's NFL passing.

Speaking of over simplifying. I remember when Ray Farmer alluded to or flatout said he wanted to create a "QB proof" offense, that if they had the right pieces they could just plug any QB in there.

This was not unpopular on this board at the time. I never face palmed so hard.

I just quoted what Trooper said and your response to him. CHS is making things up again.

I was actually pointing to your comments. That he played in the same system as Baker and made the same throws as Baker. That alone I believe is certainly over simplifying things.

So you took his comment super literal and actually wanted videos of Kyler Murray playing in the NFL and not wanting a video of Kyler Murray making NFL level throws in college football? Good grief.

You would have a point if my post was equating Kyler Murray and Baker's talent and not as a proof that they were both asked and succeeded at making the same type of throws. There is a big difference between the two.