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Once the most popular position on the team, no longer thanks to #6. However we still appear to have a need now that Tyrod is out the door. While Mayfield looks like real deal this is the NFL and injuries happen. Here's how some of our options breakdown:

Keep what you already have:

Drew Stanton - Stanton has been a backup/spot starter before. Results have been meh but that's why he's been a career backup. Baker has credited him with being a great mentor which is why I think he should stay #3 on the depth chart. He'll be 35 at season start. I would not want to go into a game relying on Stanton to lead us to victory. Only reason I see having him be the backup at season start is if we draft a mid to late round QB.

The free agents:

The unlikely candidates- Foles, Bridgewater and Tyrod all in my opinion will be looking for a place to start (Washington, Miami, Jacksonville) or stay where they're currently at and hope to succeed the current starter (New Orleans).


Ryan Fitzpatrick- I think this is the best option. He'll be 36 when the season starts but he's shown that unlike Stanton he can play at a high level for stretches. HE is also coming from Todd Monken's offense in Tampa Bay and could aid in the transition on offense. HE could also be an option as a bridge to a QB needy team but he's #1 on my list.


Sam Bradford- Oh my how far you can fall in a season. Last offseason after losing his job in Minnesota to Case Keenum, Bradford signed a 1 year 20 million dollar deal (15mil guaranteed) to replace Carson Palmer and lead the Cardinals while Josh Rosen developed. That lasted three games where his play was abysmal before being replaced by Rosen. But then again even after his benching the offense just looked horrible overall. He was cut after eight games. This year it looks like he'll be seeking a backup role. Injuries will always be a concern but for a backup QB he's solid and could step in and spot start when called upon. Besides you can't have too many Heisman winning number one pick QB's from Oklahoma on your roster. Number 2 on my list.

The Rest of the group- RG3, Tom Savage, Geno Smith, Brock Osweiler, Trevor Siemian, Josh McCown, Brett Hundley, Josh Johnson, Mark Sanchez...this is a pretty weak QB free agent class overall. Geno and Brock I could live with as backups but I don't see many of these guys being much better than Stanton. I like McCown but his age and the fact Stanton is already mentoring Baker will have me pass.


Trade or late releases:

The only name I've really heard floated out there is Ryan Tannehill who'd I'd be thrilled if we got as a backup but I think he'll be going to Washington if traded. If he is released I think he goes somewhere he has the chance to start or takeover for a QB on his last chance (it ain't here). I'm sure this offseason a few more veteran QB's will be available but as far as trades I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 5th round pick for one.


Draft a backup:


Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins, Daniel Jones and Drew Lock are seen as potential starters and will be taken too high to validate taking a backup that high. Besides them Ryan Finley, Will Grier, Clayton Thorson or Jarrett Stidham could be mid-round picks with the potential to backup Mayfield. A Tyree Jackson or Brett Rypien could be later round picks but I think more suited for 3rd string at least their first season. Its hard to say with rookies though. Without a solid veteran also in the mix this is a risky path but one that could pay dividends later.

I like the idea of Fitz, but doubt it will happen. Two names I think should be on your list of possible late round/UDFA picks are Gardner Minshew and Trace McSorley.

I'm good with Stanton... And draft one later who we can stash on the PS.

Bring back McCown!

We will use a late round pick on a backup QB.

Fitz would only lead to a beard growing contest.

Stanton stays. Draft Minchew or McSorley.

Exactly this, but perhaps bring in an UDFA unless there is someone that just HAS to be drafted because they are BPA at that point (5th or later).

Baker
Stanton

Practice Squad QB, who can be brought up is something were to happen to Baker.

j/c

What i think we would need to do is to have a back-up that fits into the offense we're running. Where we don't have to change the play calling or make the team adjust to the change. I think that will limit the possibilities of many on some people's list.

Case Keenum

Supposedly headed to Washington

I agree. The guy was been a decent back-up for a good while. Then draft one late or sign as a UDFA to develop for a year or two when Stanton retires.


Here is my deal with a back-up QB. I am looking for a guy who can play a few series, maybe half a game, and maybe even a game or two worst case.

Finding a back-up who can carry half a season is rare. It's pure luck. Who knows, maybe Stanton can do that...I think he has a winning record when he starts.

If Bake goes down, we are screwed no matter who we have.

I will say I like to carry 3 QB's on gameday. Surely we can give up one special team roster spot to keep 3 QB's active.

I really liked the way your formatted your post. Very professional.

Baker can learn from him.

If Stanton stays, does Baker make him bring the RV?

Great post OP.

Stanton might be the senior guy in the clubhouse. You can't make him do anything or he'll fine you.

Fitz would be ideal, but I doubt he comes here ... he'll get more money/chance to play elsewhere

The "right" backup QB situation is dependent upon what you have at QB1...and for more enlightenment, today is Friday.

All young QB1s can benefit from a mentor of some sort and for some time. Need? Maybe. The skill, talent and ability of that mentor is the key. If the QB1 appears to be the real deal - ala Baker - I prefer a vet QB2 and a developmental guy at QB3. I'd also prefer that vet QB2 be a guy who has been a starter in the league - even if for a short time - and knows he is now a backup. (Think Charlie Batch). He's a guy who can win more than a few games and keep things moving. If he were good enough to win over the long-haul, he'd be a starter somewhere...but with the QB1 in place, the backup has to be good enough to win enough to keep your team in the hunt.

Fitz and Keenum are/were at the top of that list for me - if I'm being reasonable. Stanton is on that list too...but not at the top of that list. Fitz at QB2 and Stanton at QB3 is redundant...Keenum at QB2 and Stanton at QB3 is not redundant. (I know the Keenum ship has sailed...thinking more of the Keenum-type with age, experience and ability.)

If your QB1 is very developmental - ala Kizer - the backup should not be a developmental guy in his own right (like we had the year before last). The QB2 should be a guy who can start and finish out the year if the developmental QB1 gets off the rails...winning is less important than keeping the ship afloat. (Think Blake Bortles...and probably Tyrod Taylor.) QB3 in this instance should probably NOT be a developmental guy either. (Think Drew Stanton and a slew of old guys who hopefully never see the filed.)

Trevor Simien (with Keenum out) is a guy I'd like to see with Baker as QB1 and Stanton as QB3. It buys Stanton another year before he becomes a coach...gives Simien a mentor who is not a HOF-God...and gives us a guy who can win more-than-a-few games. QB4 can then be a developmental guy on the PS...could even be a two year thing.

Once QB1 is seasoned and QB2 is a real veteran...QB3 should not be the old guy anymore and should be the developmental guy. If Stanton had Fitz' ability, we could go developmental right now at QB3...but he doesn't.

I think it would be a big mistake to go Baker-Stanton-Developmental guy when we think our playoff window is opening. We need a QB2 who can win while an ankle or finger heals up. If we think keeping Stanton on board is best for Baker's development, I think we should be out of the running for a developmental guy (other than on the PS) and need a real QB2 while Stanton remains at QB3. JMO.

Keep Drew draft Rypien.

If Baker goes down, unless we are 6-2, I think it's tank time anyway. Teams don't win with their backups QB's unless you're the Eagles.

Another name I forgot to mention, if Blake Bortles is released is he a guy we look at as a potential backup? I think he may go someplace he thinks he can start but the thought intrigues me.

I feel like finding a "place to start" is a little thin this year.

With our new OC, Fitz ssems to be the perfect match.

I think Bortles would be a great backup if he's willing to accept the role. QBs that run around replacing QBs that don't run around throw defenses off a ton.

I've said it a bunch of times before, but we need someone better than Stanton. He's terrible. Like among the worst backups in the league terrible. If he has to play, we lose. Obviously if Baker is long term, we are screwed either way. But keeping the team afloat if the QB only misses a few games should be the goal, Drew Stanton cannot do that. Blake Bortles might be able.

After today's trade I think this position becomes even more important (and appealing). If Baker goes down I think we still have the talent to compete, but as I've said earlier I'm not a fan of rolling out Drew Stanton and hoping for success. Maybe he proves me wrong if the time comes but I think we need a solid backup: Fitz, Bradford, Bortles or hell maybe even convince Tyrod to hang around a little longer.

Keep Drew Stanton and draft a QB in one of the later rounds. Pick up a UDFA right after the draft too. Always a good idea to have some young arms around. Especially in camp.

Never know, might find the next Mark Brunell. Belichick always has a couple young QB's around. Then he trades them and gets more.

With the moves we've made, the backup position does need changed/improved from Stanton. A guy that fulfills the mentor role ain't gonna cut it. We gotta have a guy in there that can bring it for a few games.

I look at the moves we have made the past 2 years to mean we are all in, if not for this year, at least by next year for a deep playoff run.

I don't know that much about Stanton so I yield to the front office for that determination. If they are OK with then I guess I am.

However, we MUST have a reliable backup. Stuff happens, and it doesn't even have to be a big hit in a game. Guys get hurt in practice, innocently tripped on the sideline going out of bounds, appendicitis.. Remember Dalton in our game last year? Bad snap, he goes to recover and suffers a hand injury ending his season.

I have to believe the FO is working on a plan. IF not they are negligent and I doubt that very much.

All things being equal, I think it could be this year. The talent is there.

This is now a legitimate Super Bowl team, with all due respect to Drew Stanton, the team needs a back up that can still win games with the talent around the offense. Sign Blake Bortles. Draft Gardner Minshew. If Stanton can beat either one in preseason, he stays on.

Mike Glennon is available, as a player he would be an upgrade on Stanton.

I side with Dorsey on this: our Backup QB is fine; even moreso than ever, now. Even Drew Stanton can go pass-happy with this offense.

I haven't looked at the QBs one bit in this draft class. Anyone konw where Will Grier (WVU) is expected to go? I believe the "experts" had him in the second tier of this QB class but I don't think I have heard much since he skipped out on WVU's bowl game.

I did a lot of growing up in WV and always root for the Mountaineers.

Even so, you need young arms in camp. It never hurts to draft a guy and bring him along. If nothing else it gives you trade bait for the future.

If Stanton plays all these new toys are order. We need a backup.

I've seen Stanton start/play and I've seen his stats. I am not impressed in the least. Maybe he has matured and through time and experience has gotten better (ala Josh McCown), but history shows the older you get the more your skill set breaks down.

Now I'll give you this, he somehow finds a way to win. His career record is 11-6. That being said his career numbers have him at a 52% completion rating and a QB rating of 66.3. He's had Calvin Johnson in Detroit and Larry Fitz in Arizona to throw to; he's had weapons his whole career.

I'll trust Dorsey if he says Stanton can hold down the backup spot. I would just feel much more comfortable if he stayed as QB#3 and played only in an absolute emergency. If he does stay as the backup drafting a mid-late round QB becomes a must for me.