I think where we lost each other is the term, "NFL throws". That was the question you were commenting on and my point is that you can't compare throws in college to "NFL throws" and I feel I laid my points out on that pretty well.
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I think where we lost each other is the term, "NFL throws". That was the question you were commenting on and my point is that you can't compare throws in college to "NFL throws" and I feel I laid my points out on that pretty well.
How the hell else are you going to quantify throws? Good throws? That's how Weeden got drafted.
So you took his comment super literal and actually wanted videos of Kyler Murray playing in the NFL and not wanting a video of Kyler Murray making NFL level throws in college football? Good grief.
The point was about "NFL passing," which one cannot gauge until someone throws in the NFL, against NFL defenses. Doesn't take nearly as much to look good against Big 12 defenses.
So you took his comment super literal and actually wanted videos of Kyler Murray playing in the NFL and not wanting a video of Kyler Murray making NFL level throws in college football? Good grief.
The point was about "NFL passing," which one cannot gauge until someone throws in the NFL, against NFL defenses. Doesn't take nearly as much to look good against Big 12 defenses.
That's the exact criticism I had of Baker last year. If it wasn't for the fact that Baker plays for the Browns, my shoe would taste disgusting.
I came around to Baker late last year only because I saw his ability to run an offense. Not just lead them, but understanding that when the defense takes away x they've given y. I was not impressed with his accuracy because the Big 12 makes football look like a 7 v 7 drill. But I saw Baker making the right plays, hitting his WR in stride, and he grew on me. I see Kyler do a lot of similar things. And while I'm not planning on studying the QBs, I have been fairly impressed by Murray's command of the offense and his ability to hit guys in stride.
I don't think I have a lot of faith in Murray. Or maybe it's my lazy opinion because I just don't care. I've followed the quarterbacks intently the past 3-4 years post-Manziel. Wentz was the guy for me until Mayfield easily became the best quarterback to come out during that time frame. I probably would have given up all hope if we hadn't draft Mayfield #1. We might have been fine with Darnold or Rosen or Allen, but Mayfield was the no-brainer franchise pick.
Now that we've found our guy I haven't paid as much attention as I normally would have... Murray has a lot of things to like and the skills to maybe become a great QB at this level, but I'm not going to bank on it.
If I have to pick one, I'd probably take Haskins. But I guess my point is, I wonder how much Baker has influenced Murray's draft status if at all... They are different, but can they both be great? We'll see...
I think many people agree that the hiring of Kingsbury was shocking and a huge gamble. Kingsbury had a losing record at Texas Tech and was going to go to USC as an offensive coordinator and not a head coach.
Now, the Cardinals are apparently so enamored w/him that they are willing to dump a guy they traded up for in the first round last year and go w/a qb who isn't exactly a traditional qb?
Sounds risky to me.
It isn't risky, and maybe they want to ride the wave hitting the NFL. There aren't many drop-back QB's anymore. I talked about this maybe 10-12 years ago. The wave has finally arrived and the NFL has had to join.
If you can't find a QB who plays your scheme, you best change your thinking unless you want to keep playing crappy QB's and hoping.
It's here.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I think many people agree that the hiring of Kingsbury was shocking and a huge gamble. Kingsbury had a losing record at Texas Tech and was going to go to USC as an offensive coordinator and not a head coach.
Now, the Cardinals are apparently so enamored w/him that they are willing to dump a guy they traded up for in the first round last year and go w/a qb who isn't exactly a traditional qb?
Sounds risky to me.
In regards to the hiring of Kingsbury, the Cards definitely made a HUGE gamble. They are literally banking that he is the next McVay. And it's not gonna happen.
In regards to drafting Murray. That would be another huge risk. More so because they would have then invested two 1st round picks on a QB. The GM would have to pull some major strings to get rid of Rosen, and to get something decent in return. I think the Cards would be a better team with Murray than Rosen.
I think many people agree that the hiring of Kingsbury was shocking and a huge gamble. Kingsbury had a losing record at Texas Tech and was going to go to USC as an offensive coordinator and not a head coach.
Now, the Cardinals are apparently so enamored w/him that they are willing to dump a guy they traded up for in the first round last year and go w/a qb who isn't exactly a traditional qb?
Sounds risky to me.
In regards to the hiring of Kingsbury, the Cards definitely made a HUGE gamble. They are literally banking that he is the next McVay. And it's not gonna happen.
In regards to drafting Murray. That would be another huge risk. More so because they would have then invested two 1st round picks on a QB. The GM would have to pull some major strings to get rid of Rosen, and to get something decent in return. I think the Cards would be a better team with Murray than Rosen.
And that right there is the reason to make the move if what that is what they believe.
Going back to the Couch days I said the only thing worse than a blown pick is to stick with it to long. I am not saying Rosen is a blown pick, but if the Cards feel that way, move on.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
This is such an asinine point because none of these players look like NFL players because they are all playing college football. And that goes beyond position or era. That's why we scout players to determine future success.
It's also why the QB failure rate in first round QB picks is so high. When you try to oversimplify the process you fail.
14 starts, 5 10" is all u need to know to see this dude is COLLOSAL risk.
Happy for you, of course I'm a Billionaire who owns a team...lol
You can put all the resume together all you want.
I played baseball was too small for football. But was a student of the game then coached. would learn every year.
Its rather simple the fact that you said that Baker has nothing over Kyler as far as NFL passing goes does not give you any props on knowing the position...obviously you forgot a lot over the years. There is a big difference in their passing comparison. I like the kid but not the same animal as Baker. I am being critical of him but my comparison is with him and Baker if you cannot see the difference in the accuracy of the throws then as I said...it says a lot. hmmm I played in a Flag league with a guy who had the same resume as you...did you ever play in NJ. He was the last guy cut from Cowboys in 75.
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CBS' Jason La Canfora predicts Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins for a third-round pick. La Canfora is purely speculating, but he is also convinced Kyler Murray will be the No. 1 overall pick to the Cardinals. As La Canfora points out, there are not many teams beyond the upper reaches of the draft that need a quarterback this offseason. With Nick Foles seemingly heading to the Jaguars, that does indeed leave the Redskins as perhaps the most plausible landing spot.
RELATED: Washington Redskins SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter Mar 7, 2019, 2:42 PM
WOOOOOHOOOOOO .... another position player drops to us .... YESSSSSsssssss
I wondered if they kept him lying down until the measurement...
Fast forward to 35:20 to see how gravity can shorten you by a half an inch at the end of the day. Meaning, if Kyler was measured at 2pm, did they keep him lying down until he went into the combine?
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
I wondered if they kept him lying down until the measurement...
Fast forward to 35:20 to see how gravity can shorten you by a half an inch at the end of the day. Meaning, if Kyler was measured at 2pm, did they keep him lying down until he went into the combine?
measured him strapped to an inversion table
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
CBS' Jason La Canfora predicts Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins for a third-round pick. La Canfora is purely speculating, but he is also convinced Kyler Murray will be the No. 1 overall pick to the Cardinals. As La Canfora points out, there are not many teams beyond the upper reaches of the draft that need a quarterback this offseason. With Nick Foles seemingly heading to the Jaguars, that does indeed leave the Redskins as perhaps the most plausible landing spot.
RELATED: Washington Redskins SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter Mar 7, 2019, 2:42 PM
WOOOOOHOOOOOO .... another position player drops to us .... YESSSSSsssssss
I saw that the Cardinals haven't even put Rosen on the market yet. It's kinda early to be celebrating.
Perhaps the Cards are hoping someone really wants Murray and they want Bosa or the dude from 'Bama. Thus, they are hoping to acquire picks and still get their guy?
A couple of years ago I was shocked to find out that I was 3 inches shorter. I'm short to begin with.so 3 inches is a big deal for me...lol
I had a couple of bulging discs and my chiropractor would wrap a towel around my neck and pull -stretching my body out...needed surgery eventually but my point is after a month I got 2 inches back
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I would agree it is awesome we don't need a QB in the first 3 or 4 rounds. I wouldn't be averse to taking a guy in the later rounds to bring along. Always good to have young arms around. Especially in camp.
I would agree it is awesome we don't need a QB in the first 3 or 4 rounds. I wouldn't be averse to taking a guy in the later rounds to bring along. Always good to have young arms around. Especially in camp.
Later Rounds I hope we pick up Gardner Minshew II from Washington State. He is a poor mans Baker Mayfield.
jmho
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Just tell him to throw some furniture out the window, talk trash about the team, rename him self #mrBIGquest and demand a trade from the team... we should be able to get him back for half a ham sandwich.
yeah I think Gardner is the perfect Backup, if ever we would need to utilize the back up nothing changes on the O. There is no need to define plays that adhere to the backups skills. His things that he does well is what Baker does also. If I was our opponents, Steelers/Ravens/Bengals heck I take him late round just to be the practice QB running the Scout O...lol
I just like having a guy who we would not miss a beat - of course Baker is better at almost every variable but they are very similar in what they would be GOOD AT!
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No disagreement here. I don't know if it is going to be him or someone else. I don't have any real feelings one way or the other, other than we will draft somebody at some point, and then sign somebody else for a camp look.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I see a lot of mocks showing Daniel Jones to the Giants at 17.
I have to think if the cardinals are going murray at 1, then Rosen can be had. I would also think Rosen could be had for the 17th pick and not much else.
Jones and rosen are essentially the same age, but rosen has a year under his belt, so you have a point of reference and it's not awful. You got nothing on Jones.
Maybe i'm wrong with my trade value but wouldn't you rather have Rosen than Jones?
I know Purple...but he is on the edge. I can see a specific Offense (Kingsbury's) seeing him as the best QB in the draft. Problem with that is when Kingsbury gets fired he is a QB that will not fit.
I do see him very similar to Wilson but Wilson is much more accurate. As for similarities to Baker, Baker is much more accurate (I know the college stat of completion % shows him as accurate) but I'm talking about a certain amount of throws that have small NFL windows that Baker is accurate and Wilson is Accurate but Murray is not.
I do see him with everything that Lamar has and compared to Lamar he is much more accurate. And I see him put together much more solid than Lamar.
I Do see him making it in the NFL, he will not be a bust unless like with all these guys he becomes damaged goods. Keep in mind he did run scared last season in college I don't know if that was fear of a big hit (note many a great RB attest to fear being a big motivator in their allusiveness) Possible it was because he had a big pay day in Baseball.
But honestly I think Kingsbury is going to damage him physically. I will not get into it in depth but we are SO SO lucky in having Baker Mayfield as our QB. A few of us realize this already. Many of you who believe in him as an NFL QB but still don't know how good he will become...will soon come on board in a different level of acknowledgement. But what I'm trying to say. Murray is going to be good. But he will not be a Baker. None of these guys will be. Luck btw is the only one in the same wheel house but unfortunately it took the Colts too long to realize they had to protect him. The idiots saw him as Big and strong so didn't invest like they should have and he became damaged goods. He has come back to form but had to start all over and there is that mental aspect that we do not know about. Luck is LUCKY! as he came back and Colts now have invested in protecting him. However Good Luck is now, he could have BEEN great as in the best ever great! Baker is still in that possibility pending on his progress.
Many will say - Woah. I say don't tell me Woah, I see just cause you don't yet it don't mean WOAH...It scary how good the kid is so it isn't fair to Murray to be compared with him!
jmho
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