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Same reason Jalen Ramseys name gets tossed around in trade rumors. It's their diva attitude, and need for attention.

Frankly, because OBJ turns 27 at the start of the season and they won't be contenting for a championship any time soon.

That is a good question.

I think they are tanking. They didn't bother to tag Landon Collins, their Pro Bowl safety. They are shopping Oliver Vernon, the Pro Bowl LBer who they paid big bucks to just a short time ago.

Here is an article about what the Giants are doing in case you truly are interested:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/6/18...-landon-collins

Hey Turk. I think you are a very good poster, but I disagree w/you here. OBJ is actually very popular w/his teammates. They love the guy. He is also the guy who goes out and interacts w/the fans before games.

His bad rep is so overblown that it is criminal.

Thanks. I read that article 2/3rds til Pat Shurmurs name got mentioned and ....and he wants to keep Eli. ...Oh...I see now the problem.

LOL...

I was listening to Cleveland Browns Daily today and they had an ESPN-NY personality named Anita Marks on. She said there was trouble between Beckham and Pat Shurmur. She cited Beckham flat out saying "F you" to Shurmur on the sideline during a game and also displaying a penchant for going to the locker room with 2 minutes left in the first half. You can hear the interview here:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/audio/cleveland-browns-daily-3-7-2019

Sorry, I don't know how to navigate the site to get to the 1:12:21 point of the show where Marks is interviewed. But I think its worth listening to, if you have the time.

Teammates loving a player or headcoach doesn't mean anything these days. Its about perception via the media and fans. I think some things are overblown,but he does come off as a diva, and its typically only a matter of time before ownership starts to turn their backs on them as they require more coddling. Then insert trade talks.

I am only speaking for myself here. I could give a rat's ass about the public and media perception of a player. Both are freaking whacked!

I care way more about what a player does to help his team and I also care way more about what one's teammates think of a player. We have a player I do not like. However, he is popular w/his teammates and he is helping us win games, thus, I'm very good w/him being on this team.

Whoops.

I wonder if Zeitler's alleged availability has anything to do with his Hue ties. Dorsey seems to be getting rid of just about all of Hue's guys (mainly thinking coaching staff). Also wonder if Kitchens/Campen might want the OL on the move more. Dorsey might also be considering roster construction down the line. Good guards are invaluable, but the jump from good to great might not be as cost effective.

Also on the topic of a potential OBJ trade, I wouldn't expect to see anything any time soon. Draft day-ish, maybe. June, maybe even more likely. Dorsey just sowing some seeds now. Have to wait and see what bears fruit.

What a disaster for the Jaguars. They gave up a pick for him and then, basically, didn't even play him and then cut him. The Jags are a dumpster fire.

E$PN just reported that Malik Jackson has been released ...

I think that there will be a number of more expensive DL become available either via trade, or in free agency.

I think that most will get less than they hope for, because of all of the young talent coming in through the draft. I could see Dorsey doing a little bargain shopping ... but I don't really see him going crazy in signing a DL to a huge deal.

They are gutting their team to sign Nick Foles:

Man, this would definitely be the rich getting richer.

Patriots working on trade for Eagles' Michael Bennett - NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...michael-bennett

Defensive end Michael Bennett appears to be on the move again.

The Eagles and Patriots are working on a trade that would send Bennett to New England, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per sources informed of the situation. The Philadelphia Inquirer first reported the pending deal.

Around The NFL will have more on this story shortly.

And they got him for basically nothing. The Patriot machine rolls on. They trade for Bennett, giving up nothing, and probably get a third round pick back for Trey Flowers (who will double Bennett's salary). They are smarter than everyone.

Malik Jackson is interesting. He's a very good interior pass rusher. He did have a huge contract, though.

If we do trade away Duke Johnson, I would not mind TJ Yeldon to back-up Chubb (I honestly have no idea how long Hunt will be suspended for) But Yeldon can catch and run and has young legs as well.

Made this point when the internet was suggesting that Zeitler was on the block for Beckham, so I'm over the moon that Zeitler was moved to acquire a high-end DE in Olivier Vernon - who, last year, was PFF's 13th ranked edge defender.

This trade also moves us from the mid 5th round to the late 4th round, which will go a long way towards helping add additional talent in the draft.

I only bump this post to highlight my satisfaction with the moves that Dorsey is making. I think we have a franchise quarterback who has a talented offense around him - for that to lead to a Superbowl, I think we need a suffocating defence who'll make it hard for our opponents to come by points.

This seems to be the emphasis that Dorsey is going to have this offseason, and in that I genuinely feel the foundations of a potential Superbowl winning team are legitimately on the horizon.

TL;DR - I am damn excited about this team.

malik jackson might be a good pick up

Hyde is available and just got cut.

Well...DE is solidified.

So now we just go get Rodney Gunter for the DT spot (rotational strength) and, if available, take a DT in the draft.

Voila...a rebuilt d-line in one off-season. I'm flashing back to last year's major overhaul of the defensive backfield (don't judge me).

Anyway... I still think Dorsey identifies a position group to focus on and attacks it. Not that we won't grab other guys, of course, but if you identify a weakness that may be effecting your other position groups, might as well clean it up and see how your other guys produce with the upgrade.

Maybe I just can't relinquish the idea of not knowing what we have until at least the weak spots are above average.

Either way, Zad Smith is off the free agent "wish list"

So now we are shopping Darren Fells...good luck getting anything worthy out of that...Though he wasn't a monster blocker, he was better than Njoku and Devalve (not saying much i suppose) but odd that Dorsey inked this guy, now attempting to trade him...Then again he did the same with Carlos Hyde.

I like Fells, and hope we keep him.

I'd agree with you on his blocking being better than Njoku and DeValve barely played last year due to an injury so he doesn't really factor into iteither. I think Fells was super efficient last year with his targets to TD ratio that perhaps it is unsustainable and Dorsey believe that won't happen again and the value could be higher than what it truly is....this stuff was in a DBN article. And in terms of blocking, I think he still have control over Orsen Charles as a RFA. I think the Browns might have liked his blocking as well.

Fells is a player I would have liked to keep, but I'm not upset about losing.

In cutting him we gain about $900K in cap space.

Osemele was one of the best guards in the league for awhile.

He was also teased a lot growing up.

He is like a fullback....old time football that doesn't matter any more.

I have a question.

I know Justin Houston's contract is huge. Can his new team rework a more team-friendly contract or does his current contract come w/him?

I ask because the dude is one helluva player, but that contract is not favorable considering he's battled some injuries the last couple of years.

They cut him ... his contract is toilet paper at this point ...

He makes a new deal with whoever signs him ...

The fullback will make a comeback very soon. Probably just in a smaller way. Damien Harris is a pretty good run blocker out of Alabama. I wouldn't be shocked if he got some looks at FB during his NFL career. Ultimately the way the position is, you need more of a Mike Alstott than a Lorenzo Neal. James Develin still does a great job at FB in today's NFL.

Thank you. Someone is going to get a very good player. Houston can rush the passer and stop the run.

As Diam stated, KC has released him, so he has no contract. You may have asked this before you knew of his release. He can be signed immediately, I believe. I think Wednesday is for players whose contacts expire this year.

KC tried to trade Houston, but in that instance his contract comes with him. Which is likely why they could not trade him.