As I said in another post we have the best analytics department and we have the best football guys in football.
It's a combination of brilliance. People give Freddie credit for willing to hire top guys but we gotta do the same with Dorsey. Hiring wolf and Hightower and wanting to learn about what Depo does.
Letting Schwartz go never happens if u have Dorsey. He is the football guru. He tells Depo are u stupid? As I said in another post we have the best analytics department and we have the best football guys in football.
It's a combination of brilliance. People give Freddie credit for willing to hire top guys but we gotta do the same with Dorsey. Hiring wolf and Hightower and wanting to learn about what Depo does.
This is coming together because your king is not so ego driven that he can listen and learn from the knights at the table.
I agree. Don't worry about it, they can think what they want. All that matters is it is working even if some don't know all the reasons why.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Okay, I'm going to try to break this down from my perspective...
IMO this was a very good deal. We have Baker and you either have to go all in with him and give him the weapons to reach his full potential or not. As a rookie I think he has proven he has the talent to take us where we all want to go if you give him the weapons to get there with. Do I think it's a "must have" to acquire a HOF WR to accomplish that? Probably not. But it most certainly makes the climb much easier. There is nobody anywhere that can make a legitimate argument that we don't have the weapons both in the passing game and the running game.
Some claim we gave them two 1st round picks because Peppers was a part of the trade. But really? No.
Peppers is a former first round pick. Once you are drafted your draft status is no longer relevant. Your grade is based on your NFL performance as a player. A first round draft pick is based on where he was drafted on draft day. On a pick you are giving up in an upcoming draft.
Danny Shelton was a first round draft pick on draft day. Brandon Weeden was a first round draft pick on draft day. We picked up Perriman who was a former first round pick for a song off the scrap heap. Do I really need to go on? After draft day, you're an NFL player and your value is based on what you've done in the NFL. Peppers was a pretty good player. I wish him all the best. But he was a late first round pick who as of yet is an average player at his position. Peppers is replaceable. Can you say the same about a HOF talent whose been proven in the NFL? Not really.
So no, we gave up a #17 pick, a very serviceable SS and a late third round pick for OBJ. Not a bargain basement price but a pretty damned good deal.
While I certainly didn't think this deal would go down, it was certainly set up to. We addressed our need at DT. We addressed our need in strengthening our pass rush at DE. So the stage was set for such a move.
Now where I think some may be going overboard is the sudden enthusiasm that one HOF WR suddenly makes you a contender for a SB. He does not. When you combine the moves we've made on D with the addition of OBJ, you're certainly a much better team.
The growth of Mayfield and our rookie crop from last year also adds to the puzzle. So while I certainly feel we have a strong possibility of winning our division and could make a run in the playoffs, it's a combination of the off season moves, the maturity of Baker and our other rookies combined with the addition of OBJ that make it so. It's not one piece of the puzzle that makes this possible, it's a culmination of the complete puzzle being put together that puts us where we are today.
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Agreed. Vers, your one of the voices of reason on this board whom I enjoy reading. I'm as excited about this as anyone but I am also cautious. We have a new coaching staff and granted, a lot of exciting players that may need time to grow together. They may need some time. As you stated, let's just enjoy this. The next step is who else will we sign in FA, if anyone, and then next months draft. I haven't been this excited to be a Browns fan in over 30 years but we still have some unfinished business.
While I agree for the most part, the Browns still have some holes. SAM, and SS . Since it's the start of FA , it will be seen how it plays out if Dorsey signs someone to fill one or both spots. I'm really curious what happens on draft day since ,at the moment the Browns have their 2nd round pick and the first of their 3rd round picks..the other being dealt to the Giants.
Trying to get the thread back on track, as in....discussing the trade and it's ramifications.
Maybe this question is for the draft forum, but what picks do we have now, as a full updated list. We had an extra 3rd after the first Giants trade, now we don’t.
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Maybe this question is for the draft forum, but what picks do we have now, as a full updated list. We had an extra 3rd after the first Giants trade, now we don’t.
I don't think the extra third rounder was from the Giants. I think it was from the Shelton trade. We swapped 4th rounders when we made the first trade, then swapped them back when we made the Beckham trade. So now it's:
Second round: No. 49 (own pick). Third round: No. 80 (own pick). Fourth round: No. 119 (own pick). Fifth round: No. 144 (Jaguars’ pick via Carlos Hyde trade) Fifth round: No. 155 (own pick); No. 170 (Patriots’ pick via Josh Gordon trade). Sixth round: No. 189 (own pick). Seventh round: No. 221 (Jaguars’ pick via Cody Kessler trade).
(Edit: No wait, this might be right. We don't have the Giants 4th rounder, we swapped and then back. I'm also not sure where the last 7th rounder Attack has came from, we traded ours away)
Maybe this question is for the draft forum, but what picks do we have now, as a full updated list. We had an extra 3rd after the first Giants trade, now we don’t.
I don't think the extra third rounder was from the Giants. I think it was from the Shelton trade. We swapped 4th rounders when we made the first trade, then swapped them back when we made the Beckham trade. So now it's:
Second round: No. 49 (own pick). Third round: No. 80 (own pick). Fourth round: No. 119 (own pick). Fifth round: No. 144 (Jaguars’ pick via Carlos Hyde trade) Fifth round: No. 155 (own pick); No. 170 (Patriots’ pick via Josh Gordon trade). Sixth round: No. 189 (own pick). Seventh round: No. 221 (Jaguars’ pick via Cody Kessler trade).
(actually, I think I'm missing a few)
It's announced that after the Beckham trade the teams will keep their picks that were included in the Olivier Vernon for Kevin Zeitler trade.
I'm not sure about the 7th round pick..I was looking at a draft site to see the picks , which really isn't updated yet. This site called Tankathon(lol) shows these picks:
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