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Interesting that Casserly and Lance Zierlein mock White to us at #17.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2019/mock-drafts

Who knows if that will happen.

If we did get him frankly I don't care who he beats out. Collins does not do much for me. Kirksey is a good guy but is average as a player.

Schobert was a Williams guy. I do like how he plays.But if White were to be drafted Wilks is the guy faced with where.

I would play him where he fits best. I see him as an inside backer because I love his sideline to sideline pursuit.

But he may fit multiple roles. Good talent will find a place.

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With that contract?


I think some team would take it on if they got him for cheap.

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If White falls to the Browns where will he play? He's mostly lined up as the Mike LB. Any ideas?


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I didnt really really read through the whole thread, so my apologies if I repeat what someone else already said .

But except for K, P, or QB. You have to take the BPA , no matter the position. Especially if it is an OL.

People say " well our Oline is good, so lets stand pat. OL and DL should be looked at as position groups that you NEVER stand pat on . To develop a good OL or DL you continually need to invest meaningful picks into these position groups.


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Well...maybe not Guard smile

But yes, between the 9 man "groups" (O-line; D-line; D-backs), they are always on the table.

You could swap LB's for D-line but we don't play a 3-4.

As long as no one suggests QB or RB in the first 3 rounds I'm happy smile


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Got to see what we got after FA. I'm thinking we could make some big moves especially on Defense.

Right now we can say that upgrading our DT (Coley) LB (Collins/Kirksey) and RT (Hubbbard)

I think a stud CB could always be gotten and you can't have enough Edge Rushers either.

But I'm curious what we add from FA???

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Well...maybe not Guard smile

But yes, between the 9 man "groups" (O-line; D-line; D-backs), they are always on the table.

You could swap LB's for D-line but we don't play a 3-4.

As long as no one suggests QB or RB in the first 3 rounds I'm happy smile

If there was an absolute stud G available at 17 , I wouldnt have a problem with that.


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Well...maybe not Guard smile

But yes, between the 9 man "groups" (O-line; D-line; D-backs), they are always on the table.

You could swap LB's for D-line but we don't play a 3-4.

As long as no one suggests QB or RB in the first 3 rounds I'm happy smile

If there was an absolute stud G available at 17 , I wouldnt have a problem with that.


I get what both of you are saying. I think guards are becoming more valuable to NFL teams because defenses are figuring out that getting pressure up the middle is very, very bothersome to NFL quarterbacks.

On the other hand, we have two excellent guards that graded out extremely high this past year. I think both were in the top three, but I am not positive about that.

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Yeah I don't think there is a NELSON (??? the kid from Notre Dame) in this draft...that kid is a beast and worth the pick even with Zietler. But if OL I would think a RT candidate. I think we are going to sign Robinson and I believe Harrison has prospects still for LT, neither works out well at RT for some reason.

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Double A Gap blitzes are becoming a normality.
If you don't have the OGs you will get killed. Bitonio and Zietler did great for us last year. Why Baker was able to slide and then take a hitch step in the pocket.

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My Top 10 at #17:

1. Devan White LB LSU
2. Dexter Lawrence DT Clemson
3. DK Metcalf WR Ole Miss.
4. Greedy Williams CB LSU
5. DeAndre Baker CB UGA
6. Christian Wilkins DT Clemson
7. Byron Murphy CB Washington
8. Dremont Jones DT OSU
9. Devan Bush LB Michigan
10. T.J. Hockenson TE IOWA


Nice list, although I like Wilkins more that Lawrence. The list pretty much sums up what I really like about this draft - there are plenty of players who will be on the board at #17 that could be a tremendous asset to this team.

That list gets even more exciting if we start seeing rising from players who aren't a need - most notably the quarterbacks. This isn't a great QB draft, but hopefully a couple are going to be snatched up early.

This could be the best opportunity the Browns have had to select the best player available in a long, long time. While there are certainly needs to feel, I don't feel there are any so pressing that Dorsey can't just select the player he feels will have the best impact on the team.

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We finally just get to sit back and relax like many others do.


I'm not a little bit relaxed. We still have a lot of work to do


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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


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Devan White's scouting report sounds a lot like Ray Lewis when he came out. We missed out on Lewis because we moved to Baltimore. Maybe the football Gods will give us a second chance.

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When you look at who may be there and who would have the biggest impact?

White seem like that guy.

Most have him higher than 17. But you can not tell because it is still to be determined who goes after who?

I am kind of leaning on Sweat. I like his athletic ability. He will most likely get bigger over time.

I like the idea of a guy to bookend Garrett.


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Ok so now the Magic number is 16 guys to be picked before the guy WE Target is to be chose.

QBs 2: Murray and Haskins.

DTs 3: Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkens.

OLB 2: Josh Allen, Montez Sweat

DEs 3: Nick Bosa, Rashan Gary and Clelin Ferrel

CBs 3: Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy and Deandre Baker

WRs 1: DK Metcalf

OL 2: Andre Dillard, Cody Ford

Other Possibles. RB: Josh Jacob, WR Marquis Brown.

Of course the guy I wish to be there is Devin White LB LSU

If he gets taken before our pick then one or more of those named will drop to us.

DTs Ed Oliver??? Cause of his height 6'2" Same with Wilkins

Sweat??? I don't know why he would but he might be there.

Deandre Baker CB cause of his size???

For me if its not Devin White I'm hoping Dillard, Jonah Williams or Jewan Taylor I'm liking him more and more, for our RT and possibly develop into our LT, especially Dillard he's the best LT in this draft.



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What baffles me is the people who want Devin white, but never talk about Devin Busch Jr. They're very similar.

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I like Bush he played impact last year and a good football player.

For me he is a little smaller then Devin White and not as fast.

I think Devin had 4.45 speed and Bush is around 4.7 ???

A site I like to use has Devin ranked #9 and Bush ranked 31.

Then of course you got your Ohio State guys hating Michigan players...lol laugh

Its all about transitioning what you see on tape with college to the NFL. Bush is Lighter and slower than White.

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White ran a 4.42, Busch ran a 4.43. You need to get a new site for 40's tongue

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I think Jonah Williams is a football player and I would be very happy if we drafted him in the first round. I don't think he will last that long, though.

I obviously like White, since I brought him up early on in the year. I also like Bush from that team up north. I also think Rashaan Gary has a ton of talent. It doesn't always equal results, but he is very athletic and talented.

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The more i look at things and our needs and all the picks we have ... i’d be shocked if we didn’t move up in rnd 1 to around 9 or 10 to get someone we really covet ...




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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
White ran a 4.42, Busch ran a 4.43. You need to get a new site for 40's tongue


btw, hope you noticed the "???" I try to keep it real and when I don't know something for sure. yeah sometimes it takes time for the sites to put up the combine numbers.

Good for him, I thought he looked faster than 4.7 on the field but you never can tell in college, what the 40 time actually is good cause you got the film and then you wonder but is that him looking like that in College?

What size was he? I showed 230 did he gain weight?

Still difference could be 15 lbs bigger and a tad faster.

As you also might NOTE the mentioning of the Site had nothing to do with the 40 time but with the ranking of the player. Is that off???

That can be the difference in about 20 slots or so.



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yeah Jonah Williams I think is a LT prospect which will have him go quickly. Why I was looking at RT potential not quite as good to transition quickly to LT guys but more beastly and nasty to be good at Pass Pro but more a fit for RT. Same as my analysis of Trent Brown in FA.

Oh I now see on the site I use they got a Little "c" after the 40 times signifying "combine" and an "e" for estimated???

They just added that in as it wasn't there last I had looked.
Neither here nor there.

CHS, why don't you talk up Bush on the LB thread?

Vers, back to football, Gary is a beast and they kind of move up a lot. I heard several analyst having Gary as the best Football guy in this draft.

So another guy I just don't bother with as he won't be around when we pick.

Devin White, yeah don't know who was first on him. All I know is after studying the draft more I became a believer. I think its a realistic "WISH" pick for us.

Very key for us is Jacobs 40 time. My place has many RBs with the "c" time but not for Jacobs, did he not run the 40 at the combine?

The faster he runs the more likely he gets taken before we pick...might be the one who drops Devin White to us eventually at #17.



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I was just poking a little fun after you said your site had DK expected to run a 4.5 or a 4.6. I did not mean to offend you.

I actually haven't mentioned any linebackers in the linebacker thread, because I haven't had time yet, nor have I looked at the LB class in depth. Mainly because I thought it was an elective need until yesterday.

And my asking about Devin Bush wasn't meant to be a dig or anything like that. I'm simply wondering why no one has mentioned him on this forum, despite him being extremely similar to Devin White.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-white

I've seen Devin White slowly become the sweetheart on this sub, and no one has flaked off to Bush, and I'm just curious about that.

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I was just poking a little fun after you said your site had DK expected to run a 4.5 or a 4.6. I did not mean to offend you.

I actually haven't mentioned any linebackers in the linebacker thread, because I haven't had time yet, nor have I looked at the LB class in depth. Mainly because I thought it was an elective need until yesterday.

And my asking about Devin Bush wasn't meant to be a dig or anything like that. I'm simply wondering why no one has mentioned him on this forum, despite him being extremely similar to Devin White.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-white

I've seen Devin White slowly become the sweetheart on this sub, and no one has flaked off to Bush, and I'm just curious about that.
For comparison;

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/devin-bush


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despite him being extremely similar to Devin White.



Similar in measurables for sure, but those aren't even half the story; I'd want to know how their on-field play compares.

Devin White is the prototypical sideline-to-sideline LB and is getting comparisons to Ray Lewis..... is Devin Bush that kind of player?


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despite him being extremely similar to Devin White.



Similar in measurables for sure, but those aren't even half the story; I'd want to know how their on-field play compares.

Devin White is the prototypical sideline-to-sideline LB and is getting comparisons to Ray Lewis..... is Devin Bush that kind of player?



Fairly similar. I would say White is a lot more violent at the point of attack while Bush does better at reading plays and he has better coverage skills. If Devin is truly getting Ray comparisons, there's no way he's falling out of the top 10.

imo, from what little I've seen of either (probably 30 games between the two) I would say Devin reminds me of a quicker CJ Mosley while Bush reminds me of Shazier. That again is my opinion.

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j/c,

My top 3 prospects for pick #17

1), CB Byron Murphy
2), DT Christian Wilkins
3), DT Ed Oliver

(With the assumption that White is off the board.)


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I was just poking a little fun after you said your site had DK expected to run a 4.5 or a 4.6. I did not mean to offend you.

Not offended at all. Actually made me take a 2nd look and discovered that "c" "e" thing.

Bush is that type actually wondering if his speed is like that I'm wondering now can he play SS, very similar role with Mich that Peppers had. Just around 30 lbs more ???


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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


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Sure, I didn’t get his initials correct, but that’s who I was referring to.


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Updated 2019 #Browns NFL Draft picks
Round 2: No. 49
Round 3: No. 80
Round 4: No. 119
Round 4: No. 132 (NYG Zeitler/Vernon)
Round 5: No. 144 (Jax Hyde)
Round 5: No. 170 (NE Gordon)
Round 6: No. 189
Round 7: No. 221 (Jax Kessler)


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Updated 2019 #Browns NFL Draft picks
Round 2: No. 49
Round 3: No. 80
Round 4: No. 119
Round 4: No. 132 (NYG Zeitler/Vernon)
Round 5: No. 144 (Jax Hyde)
Round 5: No. 170 (NE Gordon)
Round 6: No. 189
Round 7: No. 221 (Jax Kessler)


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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


Do I win anything?

Sure, I didn’t get his initials correct, but that’s who I was referring to.


Except ODB is a completely different person. Half credit.

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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


Do I win anything?

Sure, I didn’t get his initials correct, but that’s who I was referring to.


Except ODB is a completely different person. Half credit.


He can't lose half credit because he missed a suffix.


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Well we got the Best WR in the NFL for our #17 pick and other stuff don't know all the details, my son called me around 10pm, He wasn't sure of all the details just I knew that there was a first and Peppers involved (he said maybe also a 2nd rounder.

I did say we didn't need an elite WR but the one guy I would have liked would be OBJ. We have an amazing list of Weapons on our team. Possibly Shore up the OL and make it stronger to keep our Franchise QB up right. So now the list is not show a top 17. Got to show our top 45 and one will be there for our pick!

WOW! is all I can say... grin


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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


Do I win anything?

Sure, I didn’t get his initials correct, but that’s who I was referring to.


Except ODB is a completely different person. Half credit.


OBJ was referred to as ODB when he was at LSU with Landry.

So, we're going Old School and changing him back to ODB!


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Well we got the Best WR in the NFL for our #17 pick and other stuff don't know all the details, my son called me around 10pm, He wasn't sure of all the details just I knew that there was a first and Peppers involved (he said maybe also a 2nd rounder.

I did say we didn't need an elite WR but the one guy I would have liked would be OBJ. We have an amazing list of Weapons on our team. Possibly Shore up the OL and make it stronger to keep our Franchise QB up right. So now the list is not show a top 17. Got to show our top 45 and one will be there for our pick!

WOW! is all I can say... grin


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We don't pick at 17 because we'll trade it to the Giants for ODB.


Do I win anything?

Sure, I didn’t get his initials correct, but that’s who I was referring to.


Except ODB is a completely different person. Half credit.


OBJ was referred to as ODB when he was at LSU with Landry.

So, we're going Old School and changing him back to ODB!



Right, that might have been where my head was at when I posted my prediction. Ultimately, I wasn’t 100% accurate because we sent a 3rd and Peppers. I was close, that should be worth a Dawgtalkers.net fridge magnet at least.


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We gave a 3rd rounder not a 2nd as originally thought...WOW! Also we must go to 49 not 45 to figure out our possible additions.

Oh this is our new updated list of picks.


Here’s how the full slate of picks break down.

2nd round

49

3rd round

80

4th round

119

5th round

144 (via Jaguars)

155

170 (via Patriots)

6th round

189

7th round

221 (via Jaguars)


So here is my quick list of drafted players before our pick:

Nick Bosa DE 6-4, 266 4.79 Ohio State JR
Quinnen Williams DT 6-3, 303 4.83 Alabama RSO
Josh Allen OLB 6-5, 262 4.63 Kentucky SR
Kyler Murray QB 5-10, 207 4.40 Oklahoma JR
Christian Wilkins DT 6-3, 315 5.05 Clemson SR
Rashan Gary DE 6-5, 277 4.58 Michigan JR
Devin White ILB 6-0, 237 4.42 LSU JR
Dwayne Haskins QB 6-4, 231 5.05 Ohio State RSO
Ed Oliver DT 6-2, 287 4.95 Houston JR
Montez Sweat OLB 6-6, 260 4.41 Mississippi State SR
DK Metcalf WR 6-3, 228 4.33 Mississippi RSO
Dexter Lawrence DT 6-5, 342 5.05 Clemson JR
Jawaan Taylor OT 6-5, 312 5.35 Florida JR
Clelin Ferrell DE 6-5, 263 4.70 Clemson JR
Greedy Williams CB 6-2, 185 4.37 LSU RSO
Jeffery Simmons DT 6-4, 300 5.00 Mississippi State JR
Andre Dillard OT 6-5, 315 4.96 Washington State SR
TJ Hockenson TE 6-5, 251 4.70 Iowa RSO
Jonah Williams G/T 6-5, 302 5.12 Alabama JR
Devin Bush OLB 5-11, 235 4.43 Michigan JR
Cody Ford OG 6-4, 330 5.21 Oklahoma JR
Byron Murphy CB 5-11, 190 4.55 Washington RSO
Marquise Brown WR 5-10, 166 4.40 Oklahoma JR
Brian Burns OLB 6-5, 250 4.53 Florida State JR
Drew Lock QB 6-4, 228 4.70 Missouri SR
Hakeem Butler WR 6-6, 227 4.48 Iowa State JR
Deandre Baker CB 5-11, 193 4.52 Georgia SR
Jerry Tillery DT 6-7, 295 4.93 Notre Dame SR
Josh Jacobs RB 5-9, 220 4.45 Alabama JR
Daniel Jones QB 6-5, 221 4.81 Duke JR
Johnathan Abram FS 6-0, 205 4.45 Mississippi State SR
Garrett Bradbury C 6-3, 305 4.92 North Carolina State SR
AJ Brown WR 6-1, 226 4.50 Mississippi JR
Greg Little OT 6-5, 320 5.33 Mississippi JR
Dre’Mont Jones DT 6-3, 281 5.12 Ohio State JR
N’Keal Harry WR 6-3, 228 4.53 Arizona State JR
Zach Allen DE 6-4, 281 5.00 Boston College SR
Rock Ya-Sin CB 6-0, 192 4.52 Temple SR
Noah Fant TE 6-4, 250 4.50 Iowa JR
Mack Wilson ILB 6-1, 240 4.70 Alabama JR
Deebo Samuel WR 5-11, 214 4.48 South Carolina SR
Jachai Polite ER 6-3, 258 4.84 Florida JR
Jaylon Ferguson DE 6-5, 255 4.85 Louisiana Tech SR
Nasir Adderley FS 6-0, 206 4.55 Delaware SR
Chase Winovich DE 6-3, 256 4.59 Michigan SR
Chris Lindstrom OG 6-4, 310 4.91 Boston College SR
Ryan Finley QB 6-4, 213 4.73 North Carolina State SR
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson DB 5-11, 210 4.48 Florida JR


So I'm looking at Safties Deionte Thompson Alabama or Taylor Rapp of Washington.

I like OL Edwards from Wisconsin

Also at DT there is Gerald Willis

These could be our First pick of the 2019 draft.

What do you all think???


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I think our first pick will be Greg Little, LT., just throwing my last minute prediction out there.


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