hopefully you're correct. im still slightly hesitant because we dont exactly have a good track record of predicting the ravens and steelers demise.
I Don't care about the Ravens or Steelers or for that matter, any other team..
I'm like Freddie,, if they don't wear Brown and Orange, they just don't matter..
I hope Freddie and John and the team just look inside themselves,, don't worry about what anyone else does,, just be the best you can be. Leave everything out there on the field after each game...
with the talent this team has and the talent on the coaching staff, we should win a lot..
#GMSTRONG
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Zeitler is a big hole to fill...Corbett did not show much last season. Peppers started to come around last year...now he's gone...Earl Thomas would have been the "coup de gra"...can you say cast off Eric Berry?
So two new holes to fill...
Didn't we have a thread about NOT needing anymore receivers? Wasn't it about 20 pages?
Yeah, Dorsey made some headlines with the move...but we seriously helped the Giants out of a bad cap situation...and we should not have relinquished the 4th for a 5th part of the Vernon deal.
Time will tell, hope the ego's can get along...and first time head coach Kitchens can handle it!
not surprised. cowherd was popping off at the mouth today as well.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Zeitler is a big hole to fill...Corbett did not show much last season. Peppers started to come around last year...now he's gone...Earl Thomas would have been the "coup de gra"...can you say cast off Eric Berry?
So two new holes to fill...
Didn't we have a thread about NOT needing anymore receivers? Wasn't it about 20 pages?
Yeah, Dorsey made some headlines with the move...but we seriously helped the Giants out of a bad cap situation...and we should not have relinquished the 4th for a 5th part of the Vernon deal.
Time will tell, hope the ego's can get along...and first time head coach Kitchens can handle it!
Go Browns!
Are there still holes to fill? Yes, even Dorsey said he doesn't think the Browns are a Super Bowl Champion team yet. There is still work to do. But there is a lot of reason for optimism.
Most NFL analysts are saying the Browns are no longer a laughingstock but actual Division Championship contenders. I can't remember the last time anyone talked about the Browns like that.
Being a Brown's fan has made me cautiously optimistic so I know where you are coming from but my excitement for this team has increased about as much as their chance to win the SB.
we should not have relinquished the 4th for a 5th part of the Vernon deal.
And, we get the 4th, they get the 5th.
Ok, never mind. We were supposed to get 132 in exchange for 155 but apparently this is what happened (I think):
Browns, Giants Alter Zeitler/Vernon Trade
March 13th, 2019 at 11:20am CST by Dallas Robinson
When the Browns and Giants agreed to swap guard Kevin Zeitler and defensive end Olivier Vernon earlier this week, the two clubs also decided to trade draft picks: Cleveland was set to give up a fifth-round pick (No. 155) to New York, while Big Blue send a fourth-round pick (No. 132) to the Browns. Now, following the deal that will send Odell Beckham Jr. to Cleveland, the two teams have agreed to revise the Zeitler/Brown trade.
The pick swap will no longer occur, according to Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com (Twitter link). Instead, Zeitler will simply be traded straight up for Vernon, while OBJ will go to the Browns in a separate move. However, you can look at both swaps together as such: Beckham and Vernon for Zeitler, Peppers, No. 17 overall and No. 95 overall.
It’s unclear as to why the Giants and Browns have reached this agreement. The return for Beckham has been widely panned, so it’s possible the Giants asked for the Vernon/Zeitler pick swap to be eliminated as something of a face-saving move (although undoing a 23-spot drop in the draft probably isn’t worth all that much).
My thoughts are that now the real work begins for Dorsey. He over the course of the next few years will need to hit on the draft the FA window is about to close we have quite a few young studs that will need new contracts in the next few years along with Bake too.
That means Dorsey will have to fill out the roster via the draft and he will need to hit on serviceable players that we can get some good years and production out of. I want sustained success and the draft remains the key, IMO.
The FA we have signed along with the players we traded for will have to be replaced eventually and IMO again that can only be done via the draft.
To this point Dorsey has been near flawless and in order to have sustained success he will need to remain so. Oh and I have the utmost confidence he can continue to build on what we have, and he must.
The SB has to be the goal and with a few key picks he can fill out this roster and we can get to the big dance, maybe even this year. I think a team has to get to the playoffs once and almost always they lose the 1st go around from there they gain the experience needed to push thru and win it ALL.
I couldn't be more exited and hopeful. Cruise control is on with Dorsey in the FO.
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AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
I will also say Baker is a better compliment to OBJ.
Eli struggled is many ways. One is lack of ability to extend plays. His 2018 numbers were really pretty good. But I don't believe that they tell the whole story.
OBJ and Eli have played well together. Both have benefited.
Baker plays a different game than Eli. Baker can extend plays while keeping his eyes downfield. He throws very well on the move as well.
Baker has confidence in his ability to fit the ball in small windows.
This will in my opinion start a relationship with Baker that will be incredible to watch.
The other thing is personality. Eli and Baker are two different guys. Eli a long time vet who is very laid back. Baker is not laid back. He is a in your face ultra competitive guy. He plays a different game than Eli.
Yes, sir ... And I think that one can put Callaway in the same light too.
Callaway is the guy being lost in the conversation. He was improving very well at the end of the season. The kid has a lot of talent. Having Beckham on the other side will open a lot of stuff for him.
I took this from a different thread because I have been thinking about this probably more than I should.
Imagine lining up five wide with OBJ, Landry, Callaway, Higgins, and Njoku. How do you cover that?
Or take Higgins off the field and replace him with Chubb. You have to account for all the receivers. Chubb is going to be running against five man fronts.
Or take Chubb off the field and replace him with Hunt and then you have Hunt running against a five man front or with a linebacker on him or Njoku in coverage.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's hard to believe that he's our guy. The misery from decades of frustration is so overwhelming, it is just hard to believe we just might have finally got it right.
Hard to articulate about how I feel. I have been waiting a long time.
LeBron brought us a Championship. I will always be thankful for that. He gave the city a lift, a spark was ignited.
But Ohio has always been about football. It is no mistake that Hall of Fame is here.
Ignatius High School. Canton McKinley High School. The Ohio State University. The tradition of football here runs deep.
Paul Brown the godfather of modern football and the team that bears his name.
History and tradition. Then it became a joke. It hurt. It hurts to lose. Constant losing kills the the thrill of competition.
Enter John Dorsey. He goes against the grain and takes the smallish quarterback with the first pick.
And man he delivers. Delivers in a huge way. All the "small" talk goes out the window. He sets the record for rookie quarterbacks in 13.5 games.
He does it with it attitude. He plays with aggressive confidence in himself. His teammates do not take long to believe in him. He becomes the leader. Not given. He earns it. He earns their respect by delivering.
Now we got what has been so long in coming. A quarterback and very talented young team thanks to John Dorsey.
Browns fans everywhere now have a real team to be proud of and the quarterback to lead that team.
I really want to win a Super Bowl in the next ten years... not even for me but for my dad... dad's 71 and is a lifelong browns fan... he deserves a chance to see a winner...
I still am cautiously optimistic... hard to get too hyped... but I think this is going to be a special year if baker can stay healthy and focused