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I don't know about any of those things becoming problems. But like it or not they're all questions left to be answered.

I'm still hearing/reading how Dorsey fleeced Gettleman. The Giants are getting killed and rightfully so.

There is also word out there that other teams were willing to give up more for OBJ, but they never got the chance. Some have cited that Dorsey and Gettleman are friends and that is why the Browns made the deal.

I don't know if all--or any--of that is true, but it's out there.

Bottom line, we've never seen anything like this. Revel in the glory. (Though I have to admit I don't like the bragging about division wins and Super Bowl appearances before the first whistle.)

I look at it like Dorsey sitting at a poker table... he was willing to push way more chips to the center than I would have. I don't feel like WR was a position of great need. Perriman was signed, we were "good to go".

There are some top-notch defenders (especially DL) at the top of the draft, we were in position to move up if we identified a transcendent player. I love Rashan Gary... would the Browns be better off with him on our DLine and without Beckham? We would have given up less. Peppers would still be here instead of a hole.

Put some more fuel on the fire... The cost of the contract (that OBJ may want reworked), the distribution of "balls", the personality mix. The expectations - of the fans, the players, the media. "Will the Browns figure a way to 'brown it up' like they always do?" The extra pressure on the coaching staff, etc... etc...

Those are all your negatives.

NOW. OBJ puts us over the top on offense. It's not cliche, DCs will have actual nightmares when the Browns are the next team on your schedule. It's been a really long time since I've seen this much offensive talent on one NFL team. As someone in the media said "that's not a roster, that's a fantasy draft". You have a second year QB who has already passed his first test with flying colors - surrounded by more talent than any QB in the NFL.

VG and OBJ are veritable artists at their craft; fast, precise, tough, hard-workers... Hands? Some may say we have the best four hands in the league. So good that these cats only need one each. It's ridiculous. Combine that with a QB that throws anticipated balls into tight windows with extreme accuracy. Need I say anything of Calloway, Higgins, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt and Duke (for now)? All bets are off, you cannot stop this team offensively - only they can stop themselves.

Sheldon Richardson and Olivier Vernon will make Garrett look more like the superstar he is. Many NFL QBs will have similar nightmares. Will we still be gashed by NFL RBs? Time will tell. Can we fill the hole that Peppers leaves? I really feel like the kid was turning the corner last year. I'd say probably not, at least not in free agency. Can Duke be flipped for another marquee move by King John? Wouldn't doubt it. Will OBJ turn out to be a cancer? If he does (unless he does it in grand fashion), he'll just get flipped next year for at least the first we lost.

Dorsey pushed in a lot of chips, but he didn't go "all in". There's still plenty of cash in the coffers. And this is no bluff. This is now one of the strongest "hands" in the NFL.

I ain't worried Bone.

Win and I don't know that anyone will be upset at not getting the ball. However should we start to lose, it's only natural for those not getting the ball thinking they can make a difference and the team is suffering because they're not getting the ball. Despite all the losing, we really haven't seen much of this, but I think Beckham and Landry could both fall in this category.

Bro, I am not trying to change your mind, but adding one of league's greatest players is way more important that drafting a guy who may or may not be a good DE.

I maintain that the Browns fleeced the Giants. This deal was a robbery. For once, it was the Browns who came out on top.

We did fleece them. I would think with all of the first round draft busts in our past this fan base has endured since 1999 they would realize a hope and a prayer is a much bigger risk than a proven player. Especially a HOF proven talent.

I agree! All I'm saying is that I wouldn't have had the balls to do it. I think I listed every negative possible and it still appears to be a brilliant move. At the end of the day - when given the opportunity - you cannot pass on HOF talent. This puts a lot of pressure on a new coaching staff, and new "chemistry" to succeed quickly. That's the only legitimate negative... and ONLY if some of the bumps in the road turn out to be huge potholes.

I was mostly playing Devil's Advocate, we're on the same page.

It's cool, bro. It's hard to express tone on here. I wasn't challenging you or anything. I'm just thrilled we made the move.

yup...Like Modell got for the Warfield trade.

Those aren't problems, what we just came out of was a problem ...

If anything, they're different problems and I welcome them with open arms.

I agree,, time to bragg (if you are going to do that) is after you do something, perhaps like WIN

I will go with that

Of course it's practically impossible to tell for sure for us fans, but my feeling is that Freddie is well respected by the players. That will go a long way to start things off, but in the end, it's what he says to each player or player group that will tell the story.

Man I want this guy to succeed.

Seems like the players love Freddie and i think it helps having Baker Being an alpha dog as qb

I don't put alot of weight in what people say about others with a microphone in front of them. You never hear their truth thoughts. Especially nowadays. I have some concerns with this team. We made weaker a unit that protects your most valuable asset while create another mouth to feed in a group that was pretty dang good at the end of the year. It was great trade only if the season is drama free and we have a adequate replacement for Zeiter. People are right to question Freddie, he's an unknown with a small sample size. He's been in the league a long time and never more than position coach. Its a big jump. He's got alot on his plate now between the personalities and the expectations all while learning on the job. We do have a seasoned and respected coaching and FO staff. Freddie has been given the best opportunity to succeed than any coach we've had since return. Alot rides on him. Its why I think he's probably got a shorter leash than a coach in a rebuild would get. Dorsey expects this team to come out and win asap. That being said I expect 12-4 this year..this is the year we figure it out

Add in Kizer for D Randall and Dorsey should be walking around with a peg leg, eye patch and a parrot on his shoulder.

Lol. Maybe that's how it started... about a year ago the parrot was chanting "Ba-ker May-field" in his ear and he took it to heart. Crazier things have happened in Cleveland - a homeless dude got us JFF.

Or in a Jimmy Haslam mask with a Flying J polo *ducks*

I don' think it was actually the homeless guy. But what choice did they have? They had to blame that crap on somebody!

I read somewhere that Dorsey didn't consider pick 17 a 1st round value this year with regards to the trade. Of course, I can't find the article now, but I'll link it if I track it down again.

This kind of has me re-evaluating this draft. And it makes me kind of look at the trade in a new light. Peppers, a "2nd", and a 3rd for OBJ sounds a lot worse for the Giants.

OR it could just be gamesmanship by Dorsey and he's angling to trade up into the late 1st.

It is silly smoke and mirrors season.

That's EXACTLY where I am at.

I read that also.

You're not hallucinating.

Me Too +1

Any deal that you can't re-create on Madden because the team you're trading with thinks it's a bad deal is a great trade in my book.

Agreed. While it will still be interesting (and I will watch all 3 days), a lot of the excitement is gone. When we had the 1st pick, and more, I could barely contain myself...

I won't miss any of the draft, who knows what Dorsey will do, he may trade back into the first round ...

I'll probably just monitor it on the most reliable site for Browns news... Dawgtalkers.

I have read some of that, but I don't think the Giants got rooked by any means. It was a win/win trade IMO.

The Giants had a disgruntled, star receiver. They need a good interior linerman, they needed to replace a in the box SS, and needed to rebuild.

Adding Zeitler and Peppers, along with another solid #1 pick and a 3rd round pick make them a better team then had they kept Beckham.

Sometimes you have to break it down and start over. We of all fans should know that.

I am not trying to start a Sashi/Depo debate. We won't go there, but the plan worked, and I am glad JD is the guy doing the building. How's that?

We now have teams copying what we just did.

Again, I don't think the Giants got rooked. I think they got a good deal that will improve them and we got a player who will improve us.

The art of the deal is that everybody walks away from the table feeling at least 50% satisfied. You don't like what you lost, but you like what you gained.

We like that we got a true #1 for a QB who looks to be pretty darn good, and the Giants filled a few positional needs and gained solid draft position to build the team.

A solid deal for all.

That is a perfect analysis of it. Everyone got what they wanted, and left the door open for future trades if necessary.

The key is showing the patience. One analyst has tweeted that Oakland looked like they were going with our model, but got impatient and tried to jump to the end.

It seemed the Giants were working on our path, but then signed Golden Tate.

The plan takes time and patience.

I know they said they combined the trades, but it was really two separate trades.

OBJ for the 17th overall pick, a late, late 3rd round choice, and Peppers.

That's a steal.

I dont think "the plan" will work for anybody else. Because they dont have John Dorsey. They will be tanking and rebuilding forever. Like we were. For the last 20 years.

I dont even feel there was "a plan". It was a right place right time right guy thing that happened when we hired Dorsey. We just got lucky.

Oh. Did I go through a time warp or something. It's not even September yet.

Maybe so, but it went through as one deal.


Not arguing with you my friend.


In the end, it worked for all.