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You were duped. You have been calling this man a Russian operative for 2 years now. You have been spinning this theory non stop in almost every thread in this section. You have been posting Mr. Maddow videos every week. You have been perpetuating the hopes and dreams of every hackish partisan democrat on the cable news channels you watch. You pinned all of your hopes and impeachment fantasies on Mueller report, that was going to be your shinning moment to gloat about how dumb we all were for wanting to get some proof.

You were had, fox news, FREAKING FOX NEWS was more accurate than you and your cables news cronies.

You are absurd. Trump is a con man and a shameful POTUS. No amount of bootlicking will clean that up. He may be innocent of knowingly conspiring with Russia but he is damn sure influenced/compromised in some way by Putin. Russia definitely interfered in the 2016 elections to help Trump win. Several of his top aides are now in jail or going to jail. his family is just as crooked as he is. There are more scandals swirling around Trump than any other politician in history, period.

But you go ahead and climb on up on your victory stump and scream self-righteous rhetoric and indignations on all the real Americans who question all the things you and State Run Fox Media spew.

Mean while I wait until the entirety of all the facts unfold before I concede, including the outcomes of all the other investigations and the 2020 elections. See you there troll master.

Dems and Fake News want th Mueller report released so they can pick over every word an spin it so they can say they are not liars and phoneys.

You don't want all the facts? Of course not, you couldn't form your own opinion if your life counted on it.

Ya bro, I'm the troll, sure. You are constantly and incessantly calling anyone who doesn't condemn everything Trump does without question as a GOP sheep or a Trumpian. This was your shining moment, Mueller was going to be your hero.


NOW you want to wait for the facts to unfold, just absolutely fraudulent, insincere and partisan. You have been pushing down everyone's throats for 2 YEARS, not two weeks, not two months, TWO ENTIRE YEARS and now you're all what about and butthurt when it turns out, the sitting President did NOT defraud an election. Think about that, you are so mad that the President of the United States did not steal and election with a foreign power because you don't like to admit you were wrong. It's pathetic. You are such a partisan that you allow Rachel Maddow to work you to a fever pitch that it upsets you that the President of the United States did not commit treason. Unbelievable.

Watch that Maddow clip I posted, she spent 30 seconds talking collusion and IMMEDIATELY turned to "well he didn't say that he DID NOT obstruct". 2 years of Alex Jones level conspiracy theories where MANY people claimed there was ACTUAL EVIDENCE of collusion turned out to be a lie. Of course they want the full report, they will do what Maddow did just now, completely ignore their calls for TREASON to nit pick some minor detail to save face. I hate it when people cannot just say "look I was misled on this one, that's my bad, I was wrong". It drives me MAD.

I guess i could see how you sheeple see it that way in a weird Trumpian brainwave distorted viewpoint.

You seemed MAD long before this. Now you seem angry on top of that.

They tried and didn't even get enough traction to mount a campaign that would make sense to get a Special Council for those presidents...(except for Clinton on a non russian thing)

There wasn't any proof of Russian Meddling like there is now.. There wasn't any meeting held in secret and then lied about by members of any other adminstration..

Trumps band of Idiots (otherwise known as the BEST) brought this on themselves and in the process implicated the President... For what it's worth, this is trumps fault for hiring complete fools that think they are privileged to the point that they can do what they want, when they want and get away with it.

Good responses. Yeah I'm just steaming that someone on the internet has no ability to self reflect. How will I ever go on.

We are in complete agreement. At no point have I ever accused Donald of being an extremely smart man or even a good politician. Bullying people into doing what he wants is his MO. My diatribe today has been directed at the Media that pushed this as an absolute fact for years. Everyone rolled their eyes when Trump said the media was fake news time and time again.

As it turns out he wasn't wrong.

He was WRONG.. Completely.

Let's reflect for a second.

If there was no reason to suspect Russian interference, nobody would have.

What caused that to happen... Let's see.

Flynn, Manafort, Trump Jr, Eric, all lied about Russian Contact.. When confronted, they lied about the content of that russian contact.

That's what got the ball rolling... and in this case, even if I'm a trump supporter (never gonna happen) I'd want to know the jest of those meetings that happened that were then denied to have happened then had the jest of them twisted around (another way of saying lied about)

Trump and his "best people" are the ones that thought they could get away with it.

Flynn is going to jail, Manafort is going to Jail, Cohen is going to jail and while it's early, I bet Stone is in some trouble.

Why, because they lied and got caught.

The buck stopping at the presidents desk isn't a new idea...

In this case, all roads lead back to trump..

I think Barr is covering somethings up and I don't blame the Dems for going hard after the Barr and the attempts to get the complete Mueller report..

I don't blame them even a little..

Remember this, if you hire idiots, they are bound to get you in trouble... Trump hasn't ever figured that out.

“Remember this, if you hire idiots, they are bound to get you in trouble... Trump hasn't ever figured that out.”

He hired his peers... trump is also an idiot.

It was my feeble attempt at being kind, but you are correct sir.

I don't know bro. I'm worried about you though. Maybe professional help?

This is a non-story since we all know Trump is not a Traitor and has been fully and undeniably exonerated by Barr.

j/c:

'It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD'

The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

P.S. Couldn't agree more with the headline.

he does stuff like this and then wonders why he's suspected of colluding?

Yet the investigation was started and ran by Republicans.

Here's the funny part.

You had a president who said in a national television interview that the reason he fired Comey was over the Russian investigation.

Several people in his administration who lied on their disclosure forms about contacts with Russians. One even had to register as a foreign agent.

You had his son, Kushner and Manafort meeting with a Russian who claimed to have dirt on Hillary.

These people couldn't have made it look like they were colluding with Russia any more if they had tried their hardest.

As it turns out that didn't happen. But for anyone to suggest that there wasn't enough signs that this deserved to be investigated is pure foolishness.

j/c

And one other thing. You do realize the hypocrisy of Trump and his backers yet again, right? The outrage over false allegations?

This was the same man who spent eight years claiming Obama was an illegitimate president. That was disqualified to even be president because he wasn't born in America. That he was a Muslim born in Kenya. He was one of the leaders of the birther movement.

Now everyone claims they're so outraged over false claims about Trump?



Hypocrisy much?

You mean the faceplant where Bush started a war based on tons of WMD that weren't there?

You do realize that 197 Republicans in the house of Congress also voted for the Mueller report to be made public too, right? You are so stuck on this being the media and the Democrats you actually forgot to count all the republicans who started the investigation, ran the investigation and voted for it to be made public.

They conveniently forgot KGB agent in their description.

It was Alex Ovechkin, and he was there (with his team) because they won the Stanley Cup last season. Like they do every year. And you wonder why nobody trusts the press?

Is rawstory the press? I ask because I've never heard of that site.

Well, since someone posted it in a failed attempt at ............well..........apparently it IS.

Yes.

This guy is not under Putin's thumb!

Trump wants opposition investigated because he's letting the Mueller report go and moving on...

You asked why she didn't spend more time covering it, here ya go! Enjoy!:

You know OCD, you have been wrong about 10 time as much as the worst poster on here and yet you still can't shut up and admit you'e wrong. and yet you call me ridiculous.

No I don't KNOW that at all. But I accept you THINK that.

George Conway: Trump is guilty — of being unfit for office

By George T. Conway III
March 26 at 6:51 PM

George T. Conway III is a lawyer in New York.

Very little was surprising about the conclusion of the special counsel’s investigation. For one thing, it wasn’t surprising that Robert S. Mueller III’s probe prompted great commotion — a federal investigation involving a sitting president is a momentous event, and concluding it, a historic moment. And most, but not all, of the details in the attorney general’s letter of “principal conclusions” were unsurprising as well.

Let’s start with question of “collusion.” It was never precisely clear what that nonlegal concept meant. If it means what Mueller reasonably took it to mean — an “agreement,” “tacit or express,” with the Russians to interfere with the 2016 presidential election, or, in effect, a conspiracy with the Russians — then it was always virtually unimaginable that collusion, so defined, would ever be found. Russian agents didn’t need Americans to help them do what they were doing — hacking and posting disinformation. If anything, involving Americans, including some apparently blockish ones, could only have fouled up their plans. “Collusion” — or, rather, “no collusion” — was bound to become a straw man for President Trump and his supporters to knock down with glee.

Yet that hardly means that the investigation (which, thanks to Paul Manafort’s largesse, actually turned a neat profit) was either a “witch hunt” or a waste of time. After all, it was a counterintelligence investigation as well as a criminal probe. A core objective — the overarching one, really — was to find out exactly what the Russians were doing. Another was to find out whether there were “links” between the Trump campaign and Russia’s activities. As matters turned out, and quite surprisingly, we now know from public sources that there were links aplenty. So who knows what we might learn on these subjects from Mueller’s still-unreleased report? As Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday, “Russia’s ongoing efforts to interfere with our democracy are dangerous and disturbing.” He added that he would “welcome” the special counsel’s contributions toward understanding them.

As for whether the president obstructed justice, that question was always dicey. No one should have been surprised that it raised, as Attorney General William P. Barr’s letter put it, quoting Mueller, “ ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction.” On the law, Barr was probably not wrong to suggest, as he did as a private citizen, that there’s a difference under the statutes between a president destroying evidence or encouraging a witness to lie and a presidential directive saying, “Don’t waste your time investigating that.” But that doesn’t mean the latter can’t be an impeachable offense.

On the facts, obstruction turns on what’s in a defendant’s mind — often a difficult thing to determine, and especially difficult with a mind as twisted as Trump’s. And complicating things even more, paradoxically, is the fact that some of Trump’s arguably obstructionist conduct took place in full public view — something that, with a normal person with normal moral inhibitions, would have indicated a lack of criminal intent. But in the head of Donald J. Trump, who knows?

So it should have come as no surprise that the obstruction case was difficult, and inconclusive. But Barr’s letter revealed something unexpected about the obstruction issue: that Mueller said his “report does not conclude that the President committed a crime” but that “it also does not exonerate him.” The report does not exonerate the president? That’s a stunning thing for a prosecutor to say. Mueller didn’t have to say that. Indeed, making that very point, the president’s outside counsel, Rudolph W. Giuliani, called the statement a “cheap shot.”

But Mueller isn’t prone to cheap shots; he plays by the rules, every step of the way. If his report doesn’t exonerate the president, there must be something pretty damning in it about him, even if it might not suffice to prove a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. And in saying that the report “catalogu[ed] the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view,” Barr’s letter makes clear that the report also catalogues actions taken privately that shed light on possible obstruction, actions that the American people and Congress yet know nothing about.

At the same time, and equally remarkably, Mueller, according to Barr, said he “ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment” regarding obstruction. Reading that statement together with the no-exoneration statement, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that Mueller wrote his report to allow the American people and Congress to decide what to make of the facts. And that is what should — must — happen now.

But whether the Mueller report ever sees the light of day, there is one charge that can be resolved now. Americans should expect far more from a president than merely that he not be provably a criminal. They should expect a president to comport himself in accordance with the high duties of his office. As all presidents must, Trump swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to faithfully execute his office and the laws in accordance with the Constitution. That oath requires putting the national interests above his personal interests.

Yet virtually from the moment he took office, in his response to the Russia investigation, Trump has done precisely the opposite: Relentlessly attacked an attorney general, Mueller, the Justice Department — including suggesting that his own deputy attorney general should go to jail. Lied, to the point that his own lawyers wouldn’t dare let him speak to Mueller, lest he commit a crime. Been more concerned about touting his supposedly historic election victory than confronting an attack on our democracy by a hostile foreign power.

If the charge were unfitness for office, the verdict would already be in: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...c94f_story.html

Conway is an honest woke Republican.

And you call other people "sheeple". I guess someone will have to smack you on the nose with a rolled up copy of the wapo before you even start to question their agenda.

Wait, are you being serious? That post was meant as a joke, he is meeting with The Washington Capitals captain Alexander OVechkin.....lol

He still believes the Mueller report is wrong and Trump still colluded. He said earlier he didn't believe it.

Its pure hate - Facts don't matter.

j/c:

Graham and Barr are going to try to control the conversation. I want to see Barr and Nadler go over it in committee.