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Good observation on the hip movement. However, I am not sure I would describe Baker's arm as (slightly) less than elite. He zips the ball in there pretty good to me.

Elite QB's don't need an elite arm, and a elite arm doesn't make a QB elite.

Bakers arm is plenty good. We can be happy with that and let others complain because they are going to complain about something.

This. Baker can make all the throws, and do it with great accuracy.
He can fit a ball in a tighter window at exactly the right place for the receiver better than any QB I have ever seen.
And he can do it on long throws. Long throws!!!
I don't know what else you need to be an "elite arm".
If an "elite arm" is something different, then I choose Baker's arm.

3 people liked that. LOL

Kosar was as good as I have seen. Very Accurate with ball placement.

I hit like because of her last sentence. You really seem to get into who likes whose posts on these boards.

And you really seem to like to point out that I point out who likes posts. LOL

All I'm saying is that while Baker is accurate most of the time, he isn't the most accurate passer ever. Sheesh!

If you don't think he is now, you will by the end of next season.
Move over Brady, Baker is gonna be the GOAT.

jfan will "like" that post.

In the college shoot out Baker won

Well, I'm sure there have been great QBs in history.
And they are deservedly in the HOF.

I havent ever seen Otto Graham play.

I just know that I have to listen to people all the time saying Brady is the GOAT. Endlessly in my ear about it. Wherever I go.

I already know that Baker is superior. Because Brady is a product of a system. And Baker is a product of himself.

Don't doubt. Just believe. Or watch and see.

My guess is he beats out Stanton for 2nd string QB again.

Well, possibly one or more elite receivers, like great players make great coaches. Well, greater, I guess. Some tall expectations here. He doesn't need to beat people single-handedly anymore. Different than when our only offensive threat was Dawson who needed to kick about FGs to keep our defense in a win.

BM makes his people around him better, and it seems reciprocal. That chemistry is here. And the mojo should get stronger.

Unleash the Elf! It is a new day.

j/c

Baker had a great rookie season. He has the potential to be a great QB. He has all the qualities you look for in a great QB. But to claim he will be the GOAT after just his rookie season is nothing based in reality. Maybe during wine thirty, but otherwise it's a projection that is a lofty goal based on hope he'll continue on a straight trajectory to the top.

I'm sure it's something we all hope for. I'm sure it's a possibility we all wish to see happen. But to claim that as what is going to happen without any doubt is a huge leap of faith and a lot of alcohol.

I think he hits a few more bumps in the road just because he now will be seriously prepared for.

Agreed. My guess is Raiders fans felt the same way after Derek Carr’s first two seasons... I wonder what they think now?

I think Carr will be fine. I'm curious to see what he'll do with AB. I think they're poised to be very good when they finally move to Vegas.

I don't get the knock on Mayfield's accuracy. He throws 20 passes on the mark and everyone is talking about the one pass that sailed over the head of the receiver when he was rushed from the pocket. Most of his INTs weren't off the mark, they were passes where his receiver could catch the ball but they just didn't, or he underestimated the defender. He was a rookie. Those are things you learn. Heck Manning threw something like 29 INTs his rookie campaign.

And not that it matters, but Carr was a 2nd round pick and Mayfield the #1 pick overall. I think some people hang on to their own assessments too much and too long. Sure, Dorsey gets credit for picking Mayfield, but those who think it was a reach and are still shocked Dorsey picked him should realize that Mayfield was the best quarterback prospect in last year's draft. It was a no-brainer.

I think a year from today we will see 'Raiders Fans' replaced by 'Eagles' fans in that statement above.

I quoted a specific comment.

The draft is over. I moved on from it immediately. I have praised Baker over and over for the things he does well.

I'm sorry if you don't like me questioning a statement that he is the most accurate qb ever or that he is the GOAT.

That is so far from the truth. It's like it's against the law to try and be objective about Baker's game on this board.

Just being Browns fans, everything is over the top- best ever, worst thing that could happen. Fact, Baker Mayfield has just over half season in NFL- he did well, but who's to know how this all works out- example Johnny Manziel, H trophy winner, was going to wreck the league, except he got hurt running out of bounds,etc.etc.-the league studies these guys to the N degree, lets see how he does this year- HIS FIRST possible full season....GO Browns!!!!

I think Baker had an outstanding rookie year. I just wrote a breakdown him this past week in the thread where he and the other dudes were working out.

I'm just saying that to proclaim him as the GOAT and being the most accurate qb ever is over the top. And for pointing that out in what I thought was a humorous manner, I get called a hypocrite and character concerns are brought up.

nitpicking, but it was about 80% of a season... I'm not sure I'd call it "just over half." But that's me.

I don't have issues with questioning Baker's game. I don't think accuracy is an area to question, however. The most accurate quarterback in the league today could probably stand to improve accuracy, so yes, it's an area all quarterbacks could improve. Tiger was the best golfer in the world and he constantly worked on his game.

I guess I should be overjoyed we're discussing how Baker could stand to improve his accuracy, an area where he already excels and is probably top 10 in the league. If this is what we think Baker needs to improve most, then we already have an overall great quarterback.

Alright device........you and I have been "cool" the last few weeks are so. Thus, let me be very clear.

I think Baker has exceptional accuracy. Some of his throws amaze me by how accurate they are. I saw him make an off-balance throw last year and hit Duke in stride. I mean...it was a perfect throw.

I'm just saying it's pretty crazy to say he is the most accurate qb someone has "ever" seen or is the "GOAT."

With that said, I did question his accuracy "at times." I remember watching games last year and see brilliant accuracy and then seeing some throws that were off. My background made me want to the know the "why" of it. That is when I noticed the front foot thing that I mentioned in the other thread. I don't think it's a huge thing, but I think it can help him. That's all.

I do want to reiterate that I think Baker is a very accurate passer overall.

Being objective is peachy. Your brand of objectivity is an acquired taste, though, and it isn't for everyone.

...I'm trying to state this in an objective way and am not casting judgment.

I don't always agree with you, but I'm pretty sure I'd find the boards a lot less insightful without you...even if you do occasionally drive me bonkers.

I do agree with you in this instance.

Baker is a QB whose sum seems to be greater than the parts. All the hyperbole about individual traits can get a little ridiculous.

Hue's Pied Piper reference seems pretty apt. Baker just seems to bring all the parts together.

Fair enough...

I haven't called Baker the GOAT (not yet anyway ) and the only thing I've said is that Baker is the most accurate passer I've seen in a Browns uniform.

We can't really quantify accuracy, but without knowing I would bet he's one of the top 10 accurate passers in the league. Does he still need to work on accuracy? Sure, I'm good with that.

For me, if there's anything I want Baker to work on it's more of his reads. He was pretty good, maybe not great... and I don't necessarily want him to find the open underneath guy, I want him to watch the defense and learn how to coax them into being where he's not planning on throwing.

I think his ability to pass is part of the reason he was drafted #1. I don't think he had many mechanical flaws if any... again, that's just my opinion.

devise.......I never implied you said that. I actually quoted the poster who made that claim. The responses since then have included me being a "perv," and hypocritical.

I see what you did there. LOL.

It would be funny if I meant it and perhaps it still is, but it was an accident.

Does it really bug you so much that people agree with me?

Of course not. It bugs me that me saying that Baker is not the GOAT and the most accurate qb ever is resulting in insults and a twisting of my words.

It's how many of y'all roll, though.

Well, I'm sorry that you have been having a tanty about it all day. You will have to remove the stick yourself as I have better things to do.

There you go again. You called me a "perv" because I disagreed w/you and now it's more insults.

Because you have obsessed all day and I have been ignoring it.

Baker had a good rookie season and the Browns are not looking for their starting QB.

That is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am happy to watch this play out...

The bs in this thread is ripe.