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I believe Burnett to be better than Kindred. He’s also 30 years old, so he’s not a long term solution.

hes a waste of time and a bum imo.

I still don’t think we have our peppers replacement on the roster yet

It's looking more like he might come from the draft. Who knows with Dorsey, though.

That is why he asked to be released, because he did not want to be used @ dime LB.

He has always been a good sure tackler and pff gave him a 77.3 defensive score in 2018.

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Thank you for that. Didn't know that they were goofing around with his position. Does anyone know if he's healed up, or if his availability will continue to be an issue?

What Dorsey continues to do with his roster is amazing. You can see the depth he's building. Burnett is not a splash signing but it is adding another proven veteran who can still play at a vital position. Maybe as a starter, maybe as a rotational player. Reportedly Burnett is on a two-year deal. Dorsey will probably add a talented young safety to the pile. He's said that he thinks there are several players in this safety draft class. And he doesn't have to be forced to select that position early unless that's his intended target. Looking very much like a BPA draft, no desperation.

Always thought Burnett was a pretty good safety with GB. In fact, I thought we would make a play for him last year, but picked up (in trade) Randall from GB, instead.

I agree.

I would have rather kept Kindred for another year if we were going to take a chance on Burnett. I'm not a fan of his last couple years.

Dep............Burnett's PFF grades in GB in his last year there was much higher than Kindred's.

77 < 46 for Kindred ... btw Peppers score was 77 from last season.

I think that his groin injury was from the earlier part of last season, but I could be wrong.

It initially happened early in the season, but groin injuries often linger. See Joe Haden, as an example. I suppose we'll see if this one is behind Burnett.

Yes, I agree ... Joe Haden goin was habitual. I haven't read whether or not Burnett has a history there.

His play had slid though in his last year and then slid again in Pitt and he's 30. I think he's fine as a starter but I'd just be happier if we had Kindred behind him.

Of course we might just be drafting someone that will alleviate my fears as well, but we could have kept Kindred until we did so.

You don't like Murray at SS?

Better than Kindred? No.

Now on special teams he'll add value that Kindred couldn't, but why not have all 3 in camp and go from there?

I don't like making subtractions in anticipation of additions.

Okay. I thought Kindred had an awful year last year. He was absolutely dreadful in coverage in my opinion. He didn't stand out on special teams either. I don't see this as a huge loss at all.

But, it's all opinion and I can understand your point.

I will just add..........I'm a bit surprised because we typically agree about football evaluations that don't have anything to do w/the popular agenda topics of the board such as Sashi/Hue. We normally agree on the real football stuff.

Good point. Why cut, when you don't need to?

I thought that kindred was much better in 2017 than he was last year.

I think that Dorsey basically swapped out Kindred for Murray because Murray might have the coverage skills to play that 3rd Safety spot that Kindred struggled with last year. I think that he knew that Pittsburgh was likely to cut Burnett, and they felt that he could replace and upgrade the spot Peppers played.

TJ Carrie will be 29 before the season kicks off.

I now realize that Dorsey always has a reason. I might not know it, not yet, but it is in the wind. I can't say i will miss much of Kindred's production after last year.

Sounds like we are making room for some hungrier folks. I welcome that.

It'd be great if someone would make vids of these safeties in coverage.

I think we are often quick to say someone is or isnt good in coverage, but don't have a lot of tape to back those claims up. Its often a play here or there we remember, and we make generalizations based on that.

I don't have the ability to make videos, but I know enough about football to know that he is not good in coverage. I brought that up when we drafted him. He's a straight-line player who doesn't have very good hips and has a hard time keeping up w/guys who make cuts.

There are a ton of safeties who fit that mold. They're tough, physical guys who are limited in the NFL because they are better at stopping the run than they are in coverage.

If one takes the time to think about it......we're asking a lot for a guy to be able to shed mammoth blockers and tackle tough RBs close to the LOS and also turn and run w/shifty and fast guys in the passing game. Those two traits don't typically go hand-in-hand.

If one takes the time to think about it...one would see that a playoff team snatched Kindred off waivers in about a day. Same with Reiter, Drango (both last year) and Briean Boddy-Calhoun a month or so ago.

New guys signed this year include at least (4) that Dorsey drafted while in KC:

Harris - TE
Murray - DB
Kush - OL
Hunt - RB

Also, Dorsey signed FA Orson Charles while in KC a few weeks before he was fired there.

There are more-than-a-few, Dorsey-signed players with Packer-history...not to mention our new OL coach and front office guys.

GMs have a history of bringing in "their guys". All-too-often, that comment is taken in a negative light and used to prove prop-up a point as is done with statistics....when in reality, it's not just limited to the NFL, pro sports or the real world. Example: If I were to start an IT firm, I know three people who I would hire immediately...and I last worked with them 20 years ago...and two guys I met as his tax preparer.

A person will trust those that they are familiar with and those that they scouted more so than they will for others. New coaches want guys who "fit" their system.

Dorsey has done a great job here. He is hands-down the best GM we've had STR...if not further back. He deserves a ton of credit for what he's done - especially having the knowledge and spine to draft Baker Mayfield to be the face of the franchise...and the catalyst behind his player-acquisition acumen.

BUT...IMO...we've lost some players who were better (McCourty, Reiter...arguably Drango) than the guys who replaced them...and this year's guys in Kindred and BBC weren't "bad" players...maybe just bad "fits" (apparently).

Last point:

In reading around the web (FWIW) I'm seeing that the "Browns" like Carl Davis quite a bit (who they just re-signed)...but he couldn't sniff the filed for GW.

Ray Ray Armstrong (also re-signed) looked like a middling backup last year under GW...but he's being talked up as a solid backup and very good ST player.

Chad Thomas is another player that is well-liked. Off to a slow start due to injury, he couldn't sniff the field under GW.

Thinking about it...new coach(es) and new-ish GM leads to new players and newly-utilized (or not) players. It happens.

My guess is that Dorsey felt we needed to. I can't imagine why, but I don't think he does things without a reason.

For reference

In 16 games Peppers had 5 PD

In 11 games Burnett had 6 PD

Morgan Burnett 2018

I don't think that we are that far off on evaluating Kindred. I just think we prefer different types at SS. I don't think Kindred's short area coverage is that bad. I do think that he implodes when asked to cover too much area though. He's been asked to do this a lot because our DB core has been pretty bad for most of his career. I also think that his run support and blitz ability are well above average though and that has value. It's not value that I would throw away before camp if I didn't have to. If Burnett blows out his knee the first day of camp then we'll be counting on Murray for the entire season with nothing behind him.

What worries me most about Burnett are his odds of staying healthy.

We still have the draft and other possible FA signings yet to come. This is all a far cry from a finished product.

Yes, and if we cut Kindred AFTER one of those things happened, I would probably say nothing.

My problem is more that we cut him now than that we cut him. Now if there is a locker room problem that I don't know about, that is a different story.

I have a theory on this due to putting different pieces of information together. It isn't the same as the one two posters are bringing up, but it's similar in a way. I know better than to talk about it on this forum, but people can PM me if they wanna hear it.

Burnett could be that addition. Dorsey could like Burris, Whitehead, or one of the other "unknown" guys at DB better than Kindred and are cutting him now to give him a chance to sign with another team before slots get filled in the draft out of respect.

Yep...Kindred isn't good-enough in coverage and isn't thick enough to fit Wilks' system...IMO He's a legit NFL player who simply doesn't fit here anymore. PM me and I'll tell you the same thought.

IN the end, what you and I think doesn't matter.. It's what the Browns brains think that does.

I'm kind of thinking that maybe Kindred rubbed someone the wrong way too. It's the only thing that makes sense. I'm not thinking Burnett is enough to knock him off the depth chart entirely with his measly salary. Murray looks more like a special teamer/ swing safety to me. If anything, we could have traded him to a team that missed out on the safety they were wanting after the draft for something after we got whoever we are targeting in the draft.