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That would seem to be the plan D's will adopt.

The hitch I see in that scenario is that if they had any thought of moving Beckham, why give him that contract before the season? They had to know that would only hinder their ability to move him.

You have to wonder when the hits will take their toll. Penn State ran him into the ground before he even got to NY.

There will probably be a lot of play-action in New York. Might be easier to suck the safeties up with OBJ gone.

Definitely not the greatest for Saquon, though.

Lots of PA could help the OTs.

j/c:

The Giants just signed Sterling Shepard to a 4 year deal that I believe is worth $41 million.

Kyler Murray (OU) and Dwayne Haskins (OSU) are the only two that I think are worthy of first round consideration, it's quite possible that a couple others will go in the first round by teams that reach for a QB but I don't think they are worth it.


I agree. They have a couple years to fix the QB position or Barkley will end up the Barry Sanders of his time... one of the best RBs ever on a horrible team, then at the end of his rookie deal, he will leave.

I don't even think Haskins is worthy of a 1st round grade. He'll get it because of his position, but I think he's highly overrated.

Many people think he's the most polished QB in the draft....and not just OSU honks.

I would say that this tells me all I need to know about the entire QB class.

#stayaway

I'm an OSU homer from a fan perspective but I don't play the homer card on draft day. I don't think I would take Haskins in the top 10, even though I've seen worse QB's drafted in that range. But I do think he would be a value pick "at the QB position" anywhere in the last half of the first round.

I think a team will reach a little and he could go anywhere from 6-13. But when looking at past QB selections to say he's not first round material I would consider to be suspect.

It's does seem to not be as good as last year's.

SKY HIGH overrated.

This reminds me of Russel.

It's funny that you suggested Russel because that was the comparison I was thinking of as well.

Nope. Only in the sense that he's a black QB with a big arm. Haskins doesn't have the work ethic of a pet rock, though.

He might not set the league on fire, but he'll be a solid starter for someone for awhile if I had to guess.

He was a good enough QB that Urban actually changed some of his offense.

If I was looking for a QB, Daniel Jones would be my pick of the litter. I think he is the best QB in the class.

I think that's an unfair comparison for Haskins..

Haskins will have some level of success in the NFL, not sure he will ever be put into the top tier of NFL QBs but he will be a starter for a while. I would slot him somewhere around Matt Stafford and Cam Newton... He will show flashes, he will get hot and look great at times, other times he won't. He could get to and win playoff games if the rest of the team is solid and not relying on him to win every game. He will be that frustrating QB that you hate to give up on because you've seen him look great before, it just won't be something you can count on...

That's why the Giants wanted Peppers.

Every defense will want to play 10 DT's and a free safety and they'll have the only guy experienced at lining up 40 yards off the line of scrimmage.

Medium ceiling, high floor.

That is about the worst comparison ever. Seriously bro. LOL Russell had a huge arm, but was lazy and not very smart. He also struggled w/accuracy. Haskins is very smart and a hard worker. He is extremely accurate.

I just got out of the Russell Wilson thread, so that was the Russell that popped in my head when I read this. I was wondering where you were buying your off-brand crack when it hit me - Jamarcus Russell.

So ... carry on.

it seems the shelf life of a good NFL RB is about 3-4 years. The shelf life of a good NFL QB is 10-15 years.

NYG took a gamble and their checks will bounce. IMO

think about this though, If NYG take Darnold..very real chance we would have had a shot at Barkley with our next pick.

Jets weren't taking Barkley... and I don't think we would have either... a trade back to someone who wanted a QB would have been ideal and we still might have gotten Ward with the 6th or 7th pick...

This is like saying Mayfield reminds someone of Manziel. Very Grossi-esque.

Am I missing something?

Haskins looks like a good prospect to me.

I agree completely, but I also think he's coming out far too early. He had a phenomenal year, but it was just a year. The only quarterback I can think of to have success with such limited college experience is Cam Newton - and he's arguably the most complete "prospect" of all time who entered the league at a time in which the option was unstoppable enough to make RG3 look toe-to-toe with a guy like Andrew Luck the following year.

If Haskins is going to have success, I think it has to be with a team who'll be patient with him. The Giants seem like a great fit behind Eli Manning.

I agree w/you. He only has one year of experience and he played w/great talent in an offense that had a great scheme. I don't know if he will be a good NFL qb or not. I just don't agree w/the J. Russell comparison.

Haskins has a plus arm, perfect size, accuracy and he is more mobile than we saw in college. During the Michigan game he ran and I was shocked with his quickness. The kid has an excellent head on his shoulders, is a tireless worker and is about as smart and well spoken as you could possibly ask from a young kid.


Literally the only knocks on Haskins are that he played one season and he had 3 draftable WR's to get the ball to. The running game was non existent, the O-line was below average (for OSU) and he carried a terrible defense all season.


The biggest concern is being a 1 year starter. Not many of those guys have panned out in the NFL. Aside from that, Dwayne Haskins is an excellent QB prospect.

Isn't that the blue print a team can use to win with him? I mean, get him a couple of top flight receivers and let it fly.

The concepts of the "Air Indiana" offense Ohio State has been running are very similar to what NFL offenses are trying to go to. There in lies the concern with Dwayne, having only started one season, you never got to have him line up against a team a second time to see how he adjusts to their adjustments. You normally see weaknesses or exposed tendencies when you see someone a second time, we never got to see that from Dwayne.

My usage of that comparison was in the vein that he is a large-bodied, big-armed QB that is really overrated and in any other year wouldn't sniff the 1st round.

He will almost certainly go in the 1st, but having watched nearly every OSU game, I just don't see it in his play. He is a project/developmental QB, not a guy that you will slot to be starting for you mid-season 2019 unless you just literally have nothing else on your roster.

A lot of people had the same opinion of Mahomes. But with a year on the bench in the NFL it was proven he could make the leap. Now I'm not saying that Haskins will be the next Mahomes, but with a year on the bench behind a QB like Eli Manning, there's no reason the results could not turn out the same.

That's not a gamble I would be willing to take but the Giants have pigeonholed themselves into a situation they may feel they have to.

Sorry dawg, but Mahomes is a terrible comparison.

"He is a big-time gunslinger like Brett Favre. He's got the athletic ability. My question is can he learn to win in the pocket because to play in the NFL, at a certain point, you have to." -- Mike Mayock

“You can understand that, just because I haven’t done it,” Mahomes told USA TODAY Sports recently over breakfast with his parents and girlfriend. “But a lot of guys haven’t really done anything, in this class especially. We’re all pretty much spread (offense) quarterbacks. No one really knows what anyone’s going to do. So for me, it’s trying to get to that ceiling. Try to get there and try to be one of the best, not worry about where the floor is. Always go up.”

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/

Analysis:
Mahomes is a confident, strong-armed passer with great upside, but he’s a prospect who must learn to play within an NFL system rather than the wide-open scheme he ran at Texas Tech. Though he offers a great amount of upside potential, his ability to adapt at the next level and play within a complex system will determine how successful he is in the NFL.

http://draftanalyst.com/patrick-mahomes

I guess that depends on who you were listening to.

Oh, of course. His development could easily go either way - but, if I were asked to bet right now on which way it would go, I'd take the Under if the O/U was at 4.5 for "length of NFL career".

I'm not really sure which way I would go. As with Mohammes I think the situation he gets drafted into would influence which way I would lean in that regard.

I mean if Mahomes would have been drafted by a poor team and thrown into the fire from day one, how would he have faired? I'm not sure anyone could answer that question with certainty.

I totally forgot that we now get to have players in the weird Sunday Night Football montage for the first time ever.

j/c: