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and so it begins


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Can we just get to the point where we get to see video of him catching passes from Baker, already??


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Originally Posted By: DaveyD
and so it begins


What begins?

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and so it begins


What begins?


Stupid media antics aimed at OBJ.


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Oh.

I'm a little slow.

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He never looked this good in a Giants uni. thumbsup


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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html

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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html




We already knew he likely wouldn't be. He said as much when he said [paraphrased] "I'll be working out on my own for most of the spring."


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html




We already knew he likely wouldn't be. He said as much when he said [paraphrased] "I'll be working out on my own for most of the spring."



Yup. And he often missed the workouts with the Giants too.

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Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html



I don't like it but it is what it is. I don't like what it says to other players. It's a mixed message to the concept of "team".


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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html





I don't like it but it is what it is. I don't like what it says to other players. It's a mixed message to the concept of "team".



OBJ made plans for the offseason with no expectation of being on the Browns. Not all plans are easy to change. I imagine he'll stay in touch with Baker and Landry and will work out on his own.

He's basically our 1st rounder this year, so I get the attention on him around this time. It's not that unusual, though. Tom Brady is skipping the Pats voluntary stuff, too this year and did last year as well.


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Originally Posted By: FATE
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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html



I don't like it but it is what it is. I don't like what it says to other players. It's a mixed message to the concept of "team".



I get what you're saying, but I think that you're overthinking it. He's fine, it is a non-issue. Dude has his own regimen and his performance bears out that it works for him.

As close as he is to Landry, and as on good of terms as he seems to be with Baker and the others as well, I have ZERO concerns of anyone in that lockerroom (I do not give merit to the opinions of the media) questioning what sort of teammate he is.



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OBJ: I'm a cancer only on a team that is OK with losing




Odell Beckham has been mostly mum when asked about his former team during scheduled press conferences since the trade from the New York Giants to the Cleveland Browns.

The superstar receiver, however, didn't shy away during a Twitter Q&A of sorts on Monday night. Beckham responded to questions about why he didn't travel with the team and combatted the notion that he was a cancer in Big Blue's locker room.

"Ask any one of my teammates of who I was as a teammates and a man and a person," OBJ wrote to a person calling him a cancer. "...yes I'm cancer to a place that's ok wit losing because I want to win that BADDD. Ur absolutely correct!"


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Stop crying you loser... there’s no reason to go after a class A franchise because you were a locker room cancer and they realized they needed to change the culture.. grow up and show a little maturity for the first time in your career. #Overrated


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Beckham also took issue with Giants general manager Dave Gettleman's comment that "we didn't sign him to trade him" before turning around and trading the receiver.

"'We didn't sign him to trade him...' you don't get married to get a divorce," Beckham wrote. "... I tried my best, the situation I had been in since I got there never changed ... we were still losing. PERIOD... money doesn't bring happiness brotha... remember that."


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Lets talk then. Why didn’t you straighten up after getting the 💰? And don’t sit here and say you did! Constantly bringing ?able statements/interviews/actions into the locker. Will go down as one of the Giants greats but cmon bro. They bet on you then you made them look foolish.


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“We didn’t sign him to trade him...” you don’t get married to get a divorce ... I tried my best , the situation I had been in since I got there never changed ... we were still losing. PERIOD... money doesn’t bring happiness brotha... remember that

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In the end, Beckham said he's thrilled to be in Cleveland on a team trending skyward with a young quarterback in Baker Mayfield and OBJ's childhood BFF Jarvis Landry.

"What u don't understand!!!!!!" he wrote. "I've never been in a place so happy in my life, my soul, my spirit, is at an all time high!! Say what u want, there is NOOOO bringin me down .. PERIOD."


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As much as we'd pray on a hope that Beckham's social media binge could end future questions about his tenure in New York, pigs aren't flying and hell isn't frozen.


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Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
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'Odell Beckham Jr. not at Browns voluntary minicamp, which begins today'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/04/odell-beckham-jr-not-at-browns-voluntary-minicamp.html




On the surface, I don't think this is a big deal. I think I heard that this is something he does each year as he trains elsewhere. A possible added layer to this is about those rumors about a restructured contract and maybe not wanting to injure himself while stuff is going on behind the scenes? Again, just something reported after the trade as I don't know if a new contract is a possibility.

Still I wish he was here, but it is what it is.


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As long as it's "voluntary", it doesn't matter. Sure, it'd be nice if he was there, but he's a vet, a star and again, it's voluntary. Wake me when he's missing time at mandatory events.


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Established Superstars don't go to voluntary camps. We as Browns fans don't really have experience with this. It's normal, Grossi is a moron.

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Established Superstars don't go to voluntary camps. We as Browns fans don't really have experience with this. It's normal, Grossi is a moron.




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Is OBJ the only member of the team not participating in these workouts?

If he has a legit reason for not participating, fine.

If OBJ is just slacking off, taking advantage of his perceived status on the team...I don't like it.

Team player?



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I get what you're saying, but I think that you're overthinking it. He's fine, it is a non-issue. Dude has his own regimen and his performance bears out that it works for him.


I have to disagree bro. I think he is being an ASS. When he was first traded he was on Vacation and I don't blame him a bit for not being at the first sessions. Now however he just does not want to show up. If he wants to win (like he says he does) then he should be doing everything possible to win which includes showing up for the voluntary camp. Anything else is unacceptable in my book this time.


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Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg
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Established Superstars don't go to voluntary camps. We as Browns fans don't really have experience with this. It's normal, Grossi is a moron.




Myles I could stretch with you on calling a superstar, he certainly has the potential. Vernon is not and never was a superstar.

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Odell will be Odell.
It would be nice if he was there, but I'm not really worried about it.

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I wish OBJ would have reported for the voluntary workouts. There are a lot of folks who don't like guys like him and he is giving them ammunition so they can spew more bias.

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Didn't the team warn us already that OBJ had some stuff to take care of and would be missing some days?

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OBJ seems to have alot of time to do the twitter thing...



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OBJ seems to have alot of time to do the twitter thing...



He probably has one of those new fangled cell phone thingies! I heard they are connected to the intertubes now! brownie

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I get what you're saying, but I think that you're overthinking it. He's fine, it is a non-issue. Dude has his own regimen and his performance bears out that it works for him.


I have to disagree bro. I think he is being an ASS. When he was first traded he was on Vacation and I don't blame him a bit for not being at the first sessions. Now however he just does not want to show up. If he wants to win (like he says he does) then he should be doing everything possible to win which includes showing up for the voluntary camp. Anything else is unacceptable in my book this time.


I’m with u GM ... he should be here learning the O and getting to know his teammates ...

This dude has all the talent in the world and works his butt off to get better .... u gotta respect that while at the same time shake your head at why he can’t be here for this .... its not like he can’t re-arrange things ....

He’s a strange cat that works his butt off while marching to the beat of a different drummer with all the talent in the world ... dang, he’s gonna be fun to watch ... he’s soooooog good .... he’s our version of Thurston Howell the third .... he’s eccentric ... *L* ....

Damm ... were gonna be GOOD .... REAL GOOD ../ REALY REALLY GOOD ...

This is DIFFERENT!!!!!

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It'll be nice when mandatory stuff starts so there's on more time to nitpick and question by Grossi lol


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I don't much care for the Voluntary mini camps.. It seems to be nothing more than a weapon for people to use against players who do not attend.

There's plenty of time to learn.. meet your team mates and whatever they do during the Mandatory camps.... Once again lets just use this to bring negativity to a player for not being somewhere he hasn't got to be. smh

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I'm not sure why anyone would follow or listen to Grossi unless they like train wrecks.

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Didn't the team warn us already that OBJ had some stuff to take care of and would be missing some days?


OBJ himself told everyone on his first day here that he already had things set for his own offseason training and that he wouldn't be here much in the spring.

So, to catch everyone up: he told everyone he wouldn't be here for much of this, and he isn't here for much of this as he is doing his own training.

This is literally a non-story that is trying to make an issue out of something that isn't an issue AND that we KNEW in advance it was what was happening. It really couldn't be less of an issue except in the imaginations of some.



These offseason voluntary workouts are primarily strength & conditioning stuff. They are NOT yet installing offensive schemes or terminology; that happens later.


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Here are the only things allowed during the first two weeks of voluntary workouts.....

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Phase One | 4 hours a day

Two weeks | Limited to strength and conditioning activities ("dead ball"); only strength and conditioning coaches allowed on field*

90 minute max on the field

Clubs can only specify 2 hours for players to be at the facility

Players choose the other 2 hours for weights, etc.

https://www.nflpa.com/active-players/off-season-rules


There are no drills for running routes or passing the football. It's all workouts. I know you were trying to point this out but maybe now that they see the rules teams must follow they'll get the point.


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Thank you.

I'm not sure what folks think going on during these things, but it's primarily just general strength and conditioning, and then some slightly more specific stuff based on position groups.

If you already have a trainer and a highly specialized regimen, you are better off with that - and you would NOT want to do both. You *never* double-dip on a training program.

He's already fit and doing the work he needs to do to be ready physically.
He's already best friends with the main other guy in the WR room, friends with the rest, and even one of the TE's
He's already worked out with the QB in the past and by all appearances is friends with him as well.
He already sees and hangs out with all of these guys outside of and away from the facility.

He has all the fitness and chemistry he needs in April.




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