DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2019 NFL Season 2019 NFL Draft Browns Select Austin Siebert K Oklahoma

Yup, i recognize that there (the kicker is what frustrates you).

I'll just say i disagree. Last pick of 5th round for a kicker. Not that big of a deal. Esp. when a kicker and punter had already been drafted. Hopefully this is the guy.

As I said earlier, i'm riding with Dorsey and whatever his plan is. I haven't had much time to think about the draft this year. I recently got a promotion, i'm working a lot more, and my wife's pregnant with our first kid. So the Browns came through by picking up OBJ and Olivier Vernon.

Because of this, i'll stick with my guys (Baker and Dorsey), and whatever the plan is, i'm onboard. Even if that means a kicker in the fifth round, which i have no problem with because I have no faith in Gregg Joseph

j/c

I hope you don't come here and read this thread Austin. But just in case you do, don't mind those who don't know any better and welcome to The Cleveland Browns!

for one: I *am* just another poster here, the fact that I own the place has no bearing on status or the weight of anything I say.... I know just as much and just as little as any other opinion on here.

I saw the comment from someone about DT, forgive me if I don't take notes on who says what.

Good... now, which DT was on the board at this pick that won't end up an UDFA *and* would have had a better shot at making the final roster than this guy? There have been a total of 7 DT's selected since that point - we didn't like ANY of them as we continued to pass on all of them.

In the 5th round, we took a player at a position that stands to actually contribute THIS YEAR. A 5th round DT on this roster is *NOT* going to contribute in any significant manner this year unless Dorsey was kissing a leprechaun.




You talk about taking care of needs - this was a need.

Maybe not as a poster, but when it comes to your sand box.

Fanboy approved ~lolz

Guard Dawg, if you registered in 08 then I shouldn't have called you a noob. My response had nothing to do with being a 'fanboy', just an OCD moment with something that didn't set right with me.

I didn't see where Purp said a thing to deserve your ire (looked like ire anyway) so I piped up because that's who I am. Purp is a good dude, like I said.

Sorry if I escalated a simple misunderstanding.

Now back to football.

It's all good, Oldcold. No hard feelings.

We disagree about how the pick was used. I remain a staunch supporter of Dorsey and all of the tremendous work he's done for the organization.

With that said, my parallel for the sake of illustration is this.
We now have Ward, Mitchell and Williams as starting level corners. We still selected Lewis which I think is a good pick. By the same token we have Ogounjobi and Richardson as starting level IDTs. Coley, Price and everybody else we currently have on the roster represent a drop off in talent. This position is without question among the most physically demanding positions on the team. We could use another one-gap penetrating DL. Willis can give us that and do so this year as part of a beefed up rotation. Then take the kicker later or as UDFA.

That's why I started with that.... a whole mini storm brewed up for a second there.


If anything balances it all out, we apparently are signing The Scottish Hammer, so we also have Punter covered.

LOL, I tried to edit out the "yutz" reference. My bad.

I hope he's really good.

Drafting a kicker is rarely a good idea. Should go for 2 more.

IF it helps us win one more game it's worth it

Can you imagine the outrage and the consequences if I said something similar about you know who?

Anyway........I have no idea if this guy is a good kicker, but I do want to say this.

I have always thought that NFL teams don't recognize the importance of the kicking game. Think about how many games are decided by Special teams in general and the kicker in particular.

I think kickers should be drafted much higher. They play a huge role in many, many games. It's like GMs and scouts disrespect them like regular fans and players do. They should be smarter than that.

Special teams are huge and kickers decide many games. A smart GM would do well to make sure he gets a good kicker.

Very impressive, and this was 6 years ago?

I am glad that the Browns drafted a kicker. One from Oklahoma is even better.

I also was not thrilled with the kicker we chose. Saying this I have not seen him kick, but just his statistics leave me asking why.

I trust our FO but I don't think questioning the decision is such s terrible thing. If his stats in college during games show a high percentage from shorter range, but I think it would be difficult to bring a guy into camp or tryouts to accurately evaluate how he will do in a game situation, which is difficult to replicate.

His opportunities may be limited because he played at OU and their offense scored TDs seemingly with ease. You read where he hit a lot a fgs to win games in pressure situations which is extremely important, but the # of attempts from 40+ yards was very small. Not sure how you can truly evaluate him unless you only a guy that is a lock from 39 yards in.

Regarding the 5th round, I don't really care. If you love a kicker I am OK taking him higher. Teams have taken them in the first and second rounds.

Juts my 2 cents trying to use a little logic. I am not a talent evaluator and am generally a wait & see guy with drafts and he may be awesome. Who knows?

Do you really think the kicker from Oklahoma is going to have gaudy stats after Mayfield and Murray?

You forgot Big 12 defenses [sic.]

Watch that video posted earlier. It's not game situation, but you see him hitting from 60 yds as a high school player. He's 6 yrs older now, and presumably is stronger. I'm betting the Browns worked him out and tested his range.

If you read my post, I mentioned that exact point. The lack of opportunities is one of the reasons I would hesitate. Again, just my opinion and no one knows for sure until he gets his opportunities for the Browns.

I did think today of the irony of the years we had an awesome kicker in Dawson, we had little else and that tremendous asset was wasted. Now that we have a more talented roster, our kickers struggled last year.

Times have changed somewhat. I understand the importance of the kicker, but like you I've just never liked drafting one.

I think they know how far he kick a football. I don't know if he'll be a good kicker in the NFL...

Joseph at least had to be challenged.... a fifth-rounder on a good kicker is not a big risk, when you think you might need a good one. We had lots of picks, maybe too many, so I don't mind the selection, even if we cut him.

He broke Zane Gonzales record! We all witnessed how good old Zane was.
Around here that record is a bit like being the tallest midget in the room.
JK the Browns desperately need a reliable kicker. Hope this kid fits the bill.

A kicker can make or break a season, win or lose you a championship, and make or break a coach's career. I don't know much about this kicker... I do know we need one if we are going to make a run at it. If only we had a young Phil Dawson right now... That is a man that could kick us to a SB win.

It's a fifth-round pick. No big deal if it doesn't work out. Back in the day when we sucked horribly, we had to hang our hopes on hitting on as many picks as possible. I seriously doubt anyone we might have taken in the fifth would make this team. Practice squad maybe. So we took a shot at a kicker. If we can find us a really good one they can take a pk in the fifth round every year and it's fine with me. How many Patriot championships hung on a field goal?

After a day, I want to backtrack on some of my earlier statements. I agree with you, drafting a kicker high is never a bad idea if you think he is the guy. We feel this guy might be the guy and a 5th isn't even a high pick IMO.

Who knows? I hope he helps the team.

Go Browns

I agree with your take on the kicker Vers.
Backing up that extra point is making the already important position even MORE so important.
Nice back track Peen. Kudos.

So we got rid of Gonzalez but drafted a kicker with a 5th rnd pick who only hit on 55.5% of his kicks over 40 yds. for his college career. Should have just kept Gonzalez.

My thoughts on his career in the NFL

*L* well that wouldn't be such an odd thing, for a leprechaun to kiss a Brownie Elf. lol

His leg is not the problem. There has been a lot of talk around the OU program regarding him being the best punter here. They used him at both and the main take away is it hurt is fg accuracy from long range. Since the end of the season he's been focusing on just fg kicking. Word is he as really tightened up his accuracy.

All that being said, I never trusted him over 40yds kicking with any pressure. I hope all the reports are correct.

j/c

In 2018, 73 NFL games were decided by three points or less. That's how important a good kicker is.

The pick is worth it for a great kicker, but I am not sure he is a great kicker. He hits the ball hard, that is undeniable, and in his workouts he showed that he is accurate from 50+. The problem is that his numbers are not even close to his capability in game time. I have always felt that kickers make there money with how they perform from 40+ yards during games.

Seibert did hit something like 161 consecutive extra points over 3 seasons, though.

Gonzalez didn't make it to double digits last season (8/11).

Seibert didn't have a lot of chances to attempt long FGs in games. There's little need when you're blowing teams out.

Seibert also doesn't seem to let his misses affect him. Last year he always made his next attempt following a miss. I feel like that is an underrated aspect.

I'm willing to see how he looks here. It's gonna be hard to crack our starting lineup elsewhere. He has a solid chance to do so. It's hard to ask for more than that at that point in the draft.

is there a legit chance he could be both a P and a K ... thus saving us a roster spot and, eventually, cap space?

Colquitt is one of the best punters in the league. He is not going anywhere.

Siebert will be the Browns field goal kicker period...

So long Joseph....................

I don't really think so. One is usually the emergency backup for the other. If he's both and gets hurt, it would not be good.

If he did both, he'd probably want to be compensated accordingly.

Also think the fatigue factor would have to be considered. Practicing both could wear him down.

With 73 games being decided by three points or less last year and the importance of field position, I think having a roster spot for each specialist is a wise investment.

The game of football has evolved into a passing game and everyone seems to be able to see that.

Yet it seems as time passes more and more games are won by three points or less and field position has become more important than ever. So it's my opinion that not only has the game evolved from the standpoint of the passing game, but also in regards to the kicking game and the importance of ST's coverage.

I wouldn't be so sure about Colquitt. He's the 7th highest paid punter as far as annual salary, but was 20th in net average last season. He's also 34 and he has no more guaranteed money on his contract. He'd have no cap hit if cut.

I think he and the "Scottish Hammer" will have a real competition, and the young guy might have the edge with the financial ramifications in mind. And improved athleticism giving options.

I appreciate your point of view, but I would be shocked if Siebert punts and kicks field goals, but you never know.

I didn't realize Colquitt was 34.

There are a few directions they could go with this...

We signed a kid with a very powerful leg. Arkansas Pine-Bluff punter Jamie Gillan as an UDFA.

Not that it's a big deal, I guess, but I do think the NFL extra points are from much farther back than in college.