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If Cersei blew up that church and killed many of her own people in season 5 (or 6), yeah, why wouldn't she be just as ruthless and open fire on Tyrian and Dany. Heck, the dragon was also clearly withing range in the background. After seeing what those heat-seeking SAM's did on the open sea at a distance, hitting the last dragon would have been incredibly easy there. Three arrows, three dead, insurrection over and go take a nap.

I'm going to chalk her reluctance to kill them up to wanting to see her enemies beaten on the battlefield for a true victory (even though she knows the "battlefield" will be within King's Landing's walls). It's weak but I'll allow it for now.

And why would anyone think Cersei would just give up? She already screwed them over recently. Sure, they had to try diplomacy for the sake of the King's Landing citizens, and if Dani ends up winning they need to explain why they attacked the city, but exposing yourselves like that seemed inexplicable. This is where sending a message with a raven is a smarter and safer choice, but that ends up being dull on screen, so the show-runners go with the dumb decision to make for better TV. Fine.

And while I agree it's better for the story to have conflict between Jon and Dani, Jon's self-righteousness is stupid. If he keeps the secret, it can't cause a problem. She takes the throne, he supports his queen, they stay "family with benefits", nobody knows his line and all is well. Heck, it's not like he has to lie about it and he's incapable of lying, he just has to keep a secret which Dani plead him to not expose. Again, better for the plot, but it's dumb to make him talk.

Some lazy writing. Everything feels rushed.

Why would anyone not be prepared for the attack sailing towards King's Landing? If you're capable of FLYING there, you can't go a bit higher and scout out what's ahead?

Dumb.

j/c:

Loved the episode. Great character development and intriguing story lines that are the opposite of "rushed." They are leaving the viewers to guessing and speculating. Haters gonna hate.

I'm loving this. So many possibilities. So many twists and turns. Greatest TV show of all-time!

I'll also say this.........for all of you who complain so much about the show.........why in the hell are you watching? You don't have to watch. It's a freaking TV show. If you think it sucks, don't watch.

They weren't going towards King's Landing, they were going to Dragonstone. Your concept still holds true a bit, but she was arriving at her home castle, so I could see her guard being down.

Be prepared for Gendry to equip Drogon with some armor for next week.

or another dragon

Technically, Jon did not tell them, Bran jid. Jon just gave him permission.

Right, but I only said Jon needed to keep the secret. Doesn't matter who told them, Jon was presented a choice, "keep the secret and live happily ever after with Dani" or "blab and tear it all down". Again, better for the show, but I don't think Jon's that stupid. If he truly wants no part of the throne, he would have kept his mouth shut.

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They bring up quite a few good talking points:

Will Jaime kill Cersei?
- If he doesn't and ends up fighting to protect her, his character arc seems wasted, even they said so in the video. He spent so much time atoning for his past sins, I don't think he goes back to help.
Will Dani become her dad, the mad queen?
- Looks to be a lock at this point. She'll burn the city to the ground or attempt to. It will be her undoing and probably make Jon see she's ultimately evil and he needs to stop her. Maybe THAT's why he spilled the secret, he knows he's going to have to kill Dani.

With Tyrion coming up with the design a la Bran's saddle. I can't recall if his fascination with dragons is highlighted as much in the show as the books.

I'm still going with Arya as Jaime to end Cersei. I'm assuming the Hound takes out his brother. Grey Worm will probably do something stupid to get himself killed to "join" his lover, maybe take out Cersei's new Greyjoy lover first.

Just my guess....I think the show wants you to think Arya will do it (because she already killed Mr. Walker, is riding to King's Landing with unfinished business, and Cersei was on her "list" of people to kill) but I think they're trying to throw a curve ball. I think it's her plan, but I don't think she ultimately does it.

I also think the show wants to you think Jaime is going back to Cersei because of what he said to Brienne before leaving....all the people he killed for her and that it always comes down to Cersei in the end and he still has strong feelings towards her.

In the books there is a prophecy Cersei learns about while meeting with the wood's witch aka Maggy the Frog. The show version is here:



The part of the prophecy the show excluded was this...



Valonqar means "little brother", so many books readers, at least early on surmised that it would be Tyrion because they hate each other and Tyrion is the younger brother of both Jaime and Cersei. BUT...although twins, Cersei was born before Jaime making him a younger brother as well. So the twist might be, although Jaime did love Cersei in the past, he will be the one to end her reign of terror while also dying at the same time in each other's arms.

There are a lot of other "little brothers" in the books/show so people could theorize many people, but I think this makes the most sense for a character arc. But Euron Greyjoy was also a little brother and he is currently the closest to her. What if he were to find out Cersei was lying about being pregnant or she is but it's Jaime's and not Euron's? The dude is loco so maybe he goes crazy after finding out the news?

I just don't see where another dragon would come from. It would be pretty random for another dragon to show up as soon as Rhaegal dies.

They've been bringing Gendry along as a bigger deal since last season. Just a guess though.

Dragons can make baby dragons.

We really don't know where they go when they aren't needed.

The 'S' after hand makes Jaime a hard sell to me. Still think my Arya/Jaime/Faceless man theory works, though.

I could definitely see Jaime walking in after the fact and looking like he's debating stabbing Arya in the back (Mad King parallel) before deciding not to, "completing his arc".

The whole mechanics of Tyrion getting high enough to reach her throat are hard for me to picture. Obviously, it could be done, but I can't imagine a way where it doesn't feel contrived. He also doesn't really strike me as the strangling type.

And upon further research, Valonqar might actually be gender-neutral and Arya is a younger sibling as well.

Lots of possibilities.

Melisandre was supposedly going to use "King's blood" to wake a stone dragon. Maybe Gendry can fulfill that. A stone dragon probably wouldn't need armor.

In the books its said the targs can pull dragons from stone. In the preview for next week, notice the shot they linger on with Tyrion in the war room at dragonstone, what's behind him on the wall... a dragon. Also in season 5 tyrion and Jorah saw a dragon when they went through dragonstone, it was never confirmed to be drogon.

I like the two theories of Jamie killing Cersei and Gendry fitting the dragon w/armor.

Also, who do you think Sansa was talking about when she called Tyrion back? The fact that they cut away from that scene is noteworthy.

I would almost have to think it had to be Jon, wasn't that right after they got the news about Jon actually being aegon

It may have been. I don't know. I was thinking of some kind of birth between two of the characters of noble birth. I'm probably way off......I do think that scene was important, though.

Tyrion straggled his girlfriend....

With the chain he gave her. I could see Circe being strangled with the Lannister necklace she always wears.

I dont think it will be Tyrion, because

1) He already got his kill (His Father)
2) Cersie had multiple opportunities to kill him, and she decided not to.

If I'm betting I'm putting money on Jamie...

I want to see her be eaten slowly by a dragon.

I could see a scenario where her own "Hand" finishes her off, realizing that Tyrion was right about her evil ways.

It was, but I do think it odd that they didn't show either scene with the Starks, or with Sansa and Tyrion. I'm sure it was about Jon being Aegon, but there was more to both conversations or they would have shown it.

As for more dragons as some have said, I'm sure it's possible, it just seems weird to me that you go eight seasons with 3 dragons in the world and suddenly, when down to 1, there would be more.

I'm honestly a little disappointed in this season. We went from the 1st scene of season 1 with the White Walkers, and the Night King is defeated in the 1st battle, and in the far North where it affected nothing. He was defeated without ever having a purpose or background explained. Just very odd.

Yes, the whole White Walkers and Night King story didn't really seem to have a purpose other than fill space.

In a round about way, it brought them all together, so they can go take Kings Landing, but even that, it seems many of those left after the Battle of Winterfell, went back to their homes and were not going to Kings Landing for the fight.

I think these unsatisfactory story line endings are directly attributable to having to finish the series in 73 episodes instead of 80. There were 10 episodes a year for the first 6 seasons, then season 7 was shortened to 7 episodes, and season 8 to 6. If they had 7 more hours of story time, they could have resolved all the story threads.

With 2 story lines left, the Night King and Iron Throne, the Iron Throne was more compelling within the TV series (even though the Night King was the more important in the books.) So they rushed the Night King.

There actually is no Night King in the books...that we know of right now.

Oops. Hopefully that doesn't detract from my point.

I agree.. I think it's also the fact that GRM hasn't finished the books so the show didn't have a strong source material to go off of...

After the last two episodes, I'm now hoping they the Night King wins the Iron Throne. It's still very well made, sans Starbucks cup, but the writing and intrigue has gone off the rails.

Agreed. There's a certain "flatness" to the series and its not the same way I felt with Marvel fatigue.

I'm usually very good about being able to suspend belief, and I typically don't apply real world concepts to fantasy realms, but the battle tactics born of the writing is just plain lazy. I'm not expecting a C-Span level treatise on the finer points of siege warfare, but literally everything the good guys did in the Battle of Winterfell was the exact opposite of what they should have! It just makes it very difficult to take them seriously.

* As I write this, it does occur to me that there really aren't any characters throughout the series that have been touted as great field generals. Tywin was probably the most notable, but even his forces were getting pummeled by the Noob Robb Stark. Stannis thought he was a great general but couldn't mount a sustainable campaign against anything.

Tyrion is really the only accomplished tactician (i.e. Battle of the Blackwater) which may be why he was thrown in to the crypt???

So maybe there's no one to draw up real battle plans.

So, I missed the first 20 minutes of this episode.

Because sports.

But I thought it was very artfully well done.

I wont believe Cersei is dead until I see the body.

If thats how she dies....it was kind of...unsatisfying.

Dany went OFF. She kinda brutal.

Which I thought was weird because her character was always about getting people out of oppressed conditions. But then, after the city surrendered, she just went and destroyed everything and killed all the innocents.

I felt that was a bit out of character.

Ugh. GRRM should be burned for letting the shows get ahead of his writings. Very well shot, but horribly written yet again.

The cgi fire was very fake looking though.

That was bugging me.

Completely ruined this show. They soprano it.no matter what final episode will seem rushed

Everyone on reddit thinks Arya will kill Dany. Because "Death rides on a pale horse."

But I'm not so sure.

None of the people left alive have any attachment to Lannisters or Kings Landing, other than Tyrion. And he is a betrayer, so, he might meet his end.

However, I have to also agree with the person on reddit who said "Anyone who thinks there will be a happy ending hasnt been paying attention."

Who knows, maybe they all kill each other.

I liked just about every minute. That makes up for the battle at wiinterfell.
I still say, Jon is killing Dani.

--Sad to see The Hound die. Glad he killed his brother, though.

--Some of the footage was fake. The speeding up of the horses running through the street was almost comical.

--I thought Jamie would kill Cersei. I was wrong.

--Not sure if Cersei and Jamie are dead. That's not the way I wanted her to meet her end.

--I think Arya kills Dani.

--I thought this episode spent too much time showing the carnage of the city. Should have shortened that and spent more time on character development.

--I think I am the only one who chose Sansa as the Ruler of the Iron Throne in the prediction thread in the K-9 Consensus forum. She still has a legit shot.