DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns interested in Gerald McCoy?

At this point in his career, I don't think "starting" is his motivation. He knows teams rotate the big guys and he is at the age he now knows why and probably welcomes playing 1/2 to 3/4 a game. That extends a career.

Starting or not, he will get plenty of reps. When you are on the field, you are the starter.

Baseball and soccer are the only team sports I can think of that once you leave the game, you cannot return. I don't watch volleyball and sports like that, so maybe they have similar rules.

I'd also be concern about his ability to stay healthy; I'm not sure what his injury history has been like lately

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I totally misread Keith's question - sorry.

U gotta wonder who else is involved and what there willing to part with ...

He’d really solidify things for us ... he won’t even be close to the center of the O’s attention either ... he’d be a real nice get for us ...

*fingers crossed*

Indy has the most cap space in the NFL. Then the Niners, the Texans, the Seahawks, then us, then the Jets, Raiders, Titans, Bills, and Dolphins. Most of these could easily absorb McCoy's contract. The questions is; Would they want to? It's a $13 million deal, but it is less next year, and none of it is guaranteed from here out.

Color me happy. If it is to happen, sooner is better. Think OTA dates might speed this along.

What a front!

No doubt early is better, but the guy is a pro. We could sign the guy on the Saturday before the first game and be able to play him 40% of the time. The other interior guy could give him a quick heads up to drive right because he is stunting left or he is driving left, you need to stunt right.

I agree with it; all you said is a quick huddle fix. I think some of it, meshing with new locker room would help us as well. I am excited to see him on the field for us. I see no way TB can keep him. Big deal somehow.

As I also said, early is better for the reasons you mention.

If it happens, it is going to be before the Saturday before the Titans game. I just used that to illustrate how he would still be able to step in and be a force from day one.

Not a fan of trading much for him if anything. He's 31 and his current contract includes 2.5 million roster bonuses for each of 2020 and 2021, which almost certainly makes him a one year rental for whatever team he ends up on with that level of salary.

Heck, Chris long was only making like 3 million a year his last few years in the league. Just sayin'

Chris Long is also 3 years older and has been a backup for the last 4 years, so of course he's going to make less.

Just using him as a random example since he just retired.

A more direct comparison would likely be Ndamukong Suh if you prefer. Once players get to a certain age they either play year-to-year deals or get paid less. That's why I wouldn't trade much for him.

Sorry for any confusion

Serious question because I don't follow this part of the NFL. We can't restructure or rework McCoy's contract if we sign him?

If we trade for him we could restructure his deal.

If he becomes a free agent and we sign him, it would be to whatever contract both sides to belong to.

I believe that ANY contract in ANY circumstance can be re-negotiated if both sides agree to do so. In this instance, I think there is 0% chance that we simply agree to a trade and leave the contract as-is.

Ideally, TB cuts him before TC and we sign him. That would require a new contract. (Bear with me here, lots of Mr Obvious so far.)

IMO...The complication in getting McCoy here is probably less about the compensation we would give up to "secure" him (over/versus free agency) and more the need to re-negotiate his current deal prior to finalizing any trade. HOWEVER, TB surely won't entertain our negotiating with McCoy UNTIL AFTER we agree in-principle to some sort of a deal...and no party is willing to "give-in" first to get to the table. It's a poker game that gets played a lot in these situations.

Thanks to you and YTown. I thought so, but wasn't sure.

We could afford McCoy this year, under the cap. There are no contractual cap implications going forward with McCoy, IIRC. In other words, if we trade a 6th for him, and he plays out this year under his current deal, then we could just cut him next year, if we wanted, or needed, to.

Yep. His deal lost all guarantees after last season. He has roster bonuses, but those can be avoided by cutting him before they become due.

So, in short terms, we could trade for him as if he had a 1 year, $13 million deal, if we wanted to.

I agree. I've read around the interwebs though that we would like to save 'some' cap $$$ this year that could be carried-forward to help in upcoming years. Otherwise, McCoy might already be here.

Only if he agrees to it.

Also, any new deal will create dead money in future years, so we would no longer be able to cut him with zero impact. Everything has a trade-off.

You'd have to explore just how much you could save per year with a renegotiated contract that he would agree to see if it is even worth doing.

I don't think there is any dead money remaining on his contract...for us or TB.

There isn't. But when restructuring, I think a team will normally transition money from base salary into immediate bonus dollars paid out, which can be ammoritized over a set amount of years (assuming a restructured deal adds years, which we don't know).

I don't evision a restructured deal (with the same amount of money $13M) for one year because the money would be recieved regardless. I think it's a matter of cutting and signing a smaller one or taking a pay cut as part of a trade (which I guess is also considered a restructuring, but mainly adding context to Purp's scenario).

ideally: get him for a 7th round pick, absorb his contract this year, have him stud out, then have no obligation anymore

If we renegotiate his deal, the new deal will have dead money in later years. This is because the new deal will have a signing bonus. One of the most common ways a deal gets restructured is that a large portion of the remaining salary gets converted to a signing bonus.

The only sensible way the deal could get reworked would be to totally jack up his hit this year so that it can be progressively lower in later years. This would likely involve adding a 4th year to the deal.

Come on down!

We'll see what happens now.

Now we have to convince him this is where he belongs. Who else has cap space for an additional significant contract that might be interested in McCoy?

The Saints

I would guess he’s not going to get a significant contract. Probably a one year deal worth around $8 million.

Step one...complete.

Now to wait and see. He might not have quite as much in the tank as Suh had last season, but a 10 million dollar rental is still reasonable.

Do you have any idea how many movies I could rent for 10 million dollars...

Depends on if you're doing HD, SD and 24 or 48 hour rentals. But probably 2.5 million

Well played. Well played.

On a semi-serious note, the average American can expect to earn less than 2 million dollars in their 45-year earnings career with a rather large chunk of that going toward interest on debts (primarily a mortgage debt). That is all.

Nobody pays $75 to watch us do our jobs. That is all.

Might wanna watch the Colts. They seemingly have a need at DT, they have a ton of cap space, and Ballard--who worked w/Dorsey--is aggressive, just like his former boss.

And never count the Rams out.