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Not my thing either, but it still looks infinitely better than Josh Gordon's camouflage Porsche.

Nah.

If he tore his Achilles or ACL for a voluntary workout it would hurt tho, huh?

Don't make an mountain out of an ant hill. Dudes a freak and the best WR in the game not named DeAndre Hopkins IMO

He will be fine.

I was watching Cowherds show about an hour ago and he said that MKC is reporting that Freddie is upset about OBJ not being here. According to the report when asked about OBJ FK said "I would just like to see him" and when asked what OBJ missed FK said "a lot" and the "offense". How much of this is true I don't know but if it is you can already see a problem between Freddie and OBJ. We don't need this drama!!

I am number 1 in line hoping OBJ balls out and plays great for the next five years. I am rooting for the Browns and the kid just as hard as I can. BUT his attitude scares me. I am not seeing a team player AT ALL. As of today his jersey would be the last one I would buy from all players on our roster.

Come on OBJ prove me wrong.

Mary Kay going on Tiki and Tierney in a minute to talk about it.

Reminds me of what Andy Reid said recently about Chris Jones's absence from the Chiefs OTAs

“Oh, you’re talking about me? I haven’t talked to him... we don’t get into that (Jones’ attendance). We just go. You’re here, you get better. You’re not, you don’t.”

Coaches know it.. players get better when they practice. However, OTAs are voluntary and coaches are not allowed to insinuate otherwise, under threat of fines and loss of draft picks. They can get the point across in subtle ways, for those who are willing to read between the lines.

"You're here, you get better. You're not, you don't."

Nothing new from Mary the Cabot.

Cleveland gonna have to learn how Superstar Divas operate.

We aren't used to having nice things.

Don't ruin it Cleveland, before he even played a game.

Maybe the football fans should go talk to the basketball fans.

Don't look at me. I dissed on Lebron while he was still in High school when he was disrespectful to my daughter.

A first year HC is trying to install a new offense, and our first year (with the Browns) WR couldn't be bothered to attend as many as 2 or 3 sessions. If I was a veteran player with the Browns, or even if I were Mayfield or Chubb, and I made the commitment to attend a voluntary OTA, it wouldn't sit real well with me.

What about his ATTITUDE scares you exactly? I hope these comments just aren't simply due to him not attending voluntary camp.

Selfish, bad teammates all of them.

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So an iconic and very well paid talent sets an example that showing up for voluntary OTAs is highly overrated and unnecessary, then junior teammates followed his lead, and somehow its me being unreasonable? You do understand that football is probably the ultimate "team game", right?

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done, given, or acting of one's own free will.
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What about his ATTITUDE scares you exactly?

What scares me is his ME, ME, ME, ME attitude. There is more to life than just him.

I'm pretty sure that the 80+ Browns' players who did show up for the "voluntary" OTAs know and understand that definition.

I think it's very safe to say that if Dorsey thought OBJ was going to be anything other than a team asset, OBJ wouldn't be here.

So, while I don't like it, OBJ is probably just "foolin' around".

Part of me wishes OBJ was here. Another part of me likes the idea that those lower on the depth chart are getting more reps than if he were here. That both gives them the chance to work with the 1s, and the staff to see them working with the 1s. Silver linings.

Man, I hope OBJ gets here next week (like he will, because it will no longer be voluntary) and is then on the sidelines the ENTIRE TIME.

I want to watch people's heads explode.

I never considered this point of view. Yeah, it's probably better our other WR's get more reps. Beckham can step in anytime and be fine.

I love the mental gymnastics going on with OTA. "It's not concerning that Corbett is taking second string reps. It's only OTAs. OBJ is ruining this team, because he's not at the OTAs."

some of us realize that neither one of them is a big deal... because it's OTA's!

Some people like to moan about something. This week it is about OBJ not being at a voluntary practice session.

I also REALIZE its no big deal BUT i also REALIZE its a selfish diva move because i also understand the concept of TEAM!!!

He is just creating more pressure on him to perform,some players like it.

Have no problems with Diva/selfish player that perform, its up to the coaching staff to deal with it. In any sports, in any teams you are always going to have Divas.

I always liked more the upfront talking Divas to the quiet ones that were always complaining and blaming others and thinking they were such good player, at least OBJ is out there exposing himself.

if he's not here for minicamp then its a problem. Not showing up to a voluntary workout isnt a problem. That said, the right thing he could have done would have been to show up, support his teammates and coaches.. But instead he's making everyone else's job harder. I now people are willing to look past all this because of his ability. We better pray we come out winning or this is going to be a circus in no time

Not showing up to the voluntary OTA's isn't an issue now.

If he comes into mini camp/training camp and doesn't know the offense, can't participate or holds things back because he doesn't know the offense, then it becomes a problem.

If he comes in and is ready to go and his insertion is seamless, then his missing OTA's is meaningless.

This pretty much sums it up.

He'll be at minicamps and when it becomes mandatory

j/c...

When the new CBA is agreed upon, "voluntary" needs to be removed from the language. Either practices/OTAs/mini-camps are mandatory or eliminate them all together.

Damion Ratley did in an interviews with Zac Jackson of The Athletic and Ratley discussed the very point you mentioned. He understands where he is on the depth chart and having guys like OBJ absent and Landry on the sidelines is giving him opportunities with the first team that he would not have gotten otherwise.

Like you say, it has created opportunities for others down the line on the depth chart.

I am so tired of hearing about OBJ missing "VOLUNTARY" workouts now if he misses the Mandatory workouts then you have something to talk about ...

I get your point, but Callaway, Armstrong, and Harrison need to be there. Plenty of room for improvement.

I’d add Njoku to that list. Many here have him in the Pro Bowl this year. Personally I see an athlete and not a TE... at this time. He needs work. He’s not a blocker and I don’t see natural instincts in his play. He doesn’t read soft spots in zones well. He’s a work in progress and should be in camp working with coaches and studying his game any time he’s got a chance to be.
He could get outplayed and see less playing time this year if he rests on his athletic ability alone.