On the pro day video, they were calling out his "get off time". and it was between 1.4-1.6, IIRC. I wonder what it is in the NFL?
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Gotta give him a good solid look .... because Colquitt is 34, and K/P have a way of going all at once when old age (relatively) hits.
Now maybe Colquitt is Dawson, or Janikowski, and he maintains his career into his 40s ...... but the odds are against it. (especially the way a P can get clobbered on punt coverage)
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JMHO, most punters get h... out of the way, maybe they try to slow the guy down. His punt times aren't bad or they wouldn't have signed him. Hope doesn't get the throat- punting in real NFL games ain't for the faint of heart....especially a game winning or must make FG. Easy to say just make them, hell of lot harder to get her done......GO Browns!!!!
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If he can beat out Colquitt or is close to him in punting I think he stays. Colquitt is a really good punter and is a little underappreciated. But as mentioned before, Colquitt is expensive. And Gillam is versatile. The Scottish Hammer can kick field goals and kick off. (and Seibert can punt making him versatile as well). Gillam, with his rugby upbringing, might be a little more capable and more aggressive in kick/punt coverage as well. Think Mcafee from the Colts. I believe there were a couple highlights of him at AR Pine Bluff.
None of that versatility matters unless he can perform the primary punting duties. Many feel he can. But he has to be at least close to Colquitt in performance. Should actually be fun to watch. I think we will be fine at punter either way.
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I wonder if down the road he would have the potential to be a dual role kicker, punt and field goal/place kicker? can’t you drop kick for a fg or point after??
I don't know, but in looking at some of the film, it isn't out of the question.
60 yard drop kick...are you kidding me?
No kidding. He’s a great decoy who can also deliver points. Points win games.
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Wonder if you drop kick the extra point you have to be way back...would be fun to see how teams played the kid if he was potentially going for two, but drop kicked it thru instead...or ran it for two if they overloaded trying to block the dropkick...adds some fun to point/points after.....GO Browns!!!
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How successful can the drop kick be? Is there stats for that? Heck I’d do it everytime for the two points after a TD.
I would think it could be pretty successful. Footballs are much more pointy on the ends than a rugby ball which is typically drop kicked, thus the bounce has to be more precise. But the fields are in such good shape these days that I still think a guy could get pretty proficient at it with practice.
Wonder if you drop kick the extra point you have to be way back...would be fun to see how teams played the kid if he was potentially going for two, but drop kicked it thru instead...or ran it for two if they overloaded trying to block the dropkick...adds some fun to point/points after.....GO Browns!!!
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I would imagine if you were kicking a Pat, it would be back. I guess you could go for 2 and drop kick it through for 2 pts. It couldn't be a field goal following a TD.
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Since extra point kicks are pushed back, I would guess that a drop kick would as well. A drop kick XP is worth the same as a "regular" XP.
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John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Since extra point kicks are pushed back, I would guess that a drop kick would as well. A drop kick XP is worth the same as a "regular" XP.
That is what I said, I agree. If we wanted to go for two, the ball would be placed at the 2.5 yard line. We could drop kick for two from the 10 or so. Seems like a high percentage play to me. Since you wouldn't have a holder, you would have a extra blocker, so line someone out wide to take away a potential rusher.
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Under that scenario, a good kicker would make 2 points almost guaranteed. There would be no snap/set/place/kick sequence for a rush to have any chance.
Under that scenario, a good kicker would make 2 points almost guaranteed. There would be no snap/set/place/kick sequence for a rush to have any chance.
You would still have a snap and set of sorts..the drop is the set, but it would still be quicker, at least I think it would.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
1. The Hammer will not be kicking FGs or Ex Points.
Of course I'm pretty much behind Sonny Seibert to win our Kicking duties.
The Hammer will be out there Punting not in kicking duties unless its kicking off cause I think he has a stronger leg for that than Seibert.
So I understand we are in a dead zone but we will not be utilizing a drop kick as some sort of strategy.
If we keep our current kicker I'm all for going for the 2 point conversion all the time. With our talent I think we are good for 50% or better on that 2 point conversion.
jmho - but then again that is why I think Seibert will win the job not Joseph.
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I highlighted the parts about the "rules" and why I think it is harder than place kicking.
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In both American and Canadian football, one method of scoring a field goal or extra point is by drop-kicking the football through the goal. Zach Curlin drop kicking.
It contrasts with the punt, wherein the player kicks the ball without letting it hit the ground first; and the place kick, wherein the player kicks a stationary ball off the ground: "from placement". A drop kick is significantly more difficult; as Jim Thorpe once explained, "I regard the place kick as almost two to one safer than the drop kick in attempting a goal from the field."[4] Brickley's drop kick to defeat Dartmouth in 1912.
The drop kick was often used in early football as a surprise tactic. The ball would be snapped or lateraled to a back, who would fake a run or pass, but then would kick the field goal instead. This method of scoring worked well in the 1920s and early 1930s, when the football was rounder at the ends (similar to a modern rugby ball). Early football stars such as Charles Brickley, Frank Hudson, Jim Thorpe, Paddy Driscoll, and Al Bloodgood were skilled drop-kickers; Driscoll in 1925 and Bloodgood in 1926 hold a tied NFL record of four drop kicked field goals in a single game.[5] Driscoll's 55 yard drop kick in 1924 stood as the unofficial record for field goal range[6] until Bert Rechichar kicked a 56-yard field goal (by placekick) in 1953. In 1934, the ball was made more pointed at the ends. The creation of the pointed football is generally credited to Shorty Ray, at the time a college football official and later the NFL's head of officiating.[7] This made passing the ball easier, as was its intent, but made the drop kick obsolete, as the more pointed ball did not bounce up from the ground reliably. The drop kick was supplanted by the place kick, which cannot be attempted out of a formation generally used as a running or passing set. The drop kick remains in the rules, but is seldom seen, and rarely effective when attempted.[citation needed] In Canadian football the drop kick can be taken from any point on the field, unlike placekicks which must be attempted behind the line of scrimmage.
Here are some modern time NFL dropkicks, most of which are on kickoffs. It looks like an art that will take some perfection. The only place I can see it being useful is with onside kicks, it seems you can get more predictable ball placement.
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The only time I could see the drop kick being used would be if you had a guy who could actually pull it off, and you get the ball back, with 1 second left, and you are outside the range of your PK. The drop kick, IIRC, in that circumstance, would be without a rush. The K better get the ball out of the end zone if he misses, because the other team could, potentially, set up quite a return on a miss.
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John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I would keep Colquitt. With punting comes holding for the kicker and I now wonder if our kicking issues also have to do with the holder? Seibert was missing with both, so prob not. BUT why even have this conundrum? Go with the guy who has done it before and Jaime hasn't (he never held at APB).
Also, Colquitt is tried and tested and punting, inc directional punts. Jaime is still learning the game. I like the Scotsman and I hope he succeeds, but for my team who need every position to work for us to finally succeed...I would keep Colquitt!
I would too .. he’s at least average and is typically good inside the 20
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I think the Hammer has been and remains the problem here (as holder). Joseph was 3-5 and Seibert was 4-5 today. They seem to be missing more often when Jaime holds. And, I am fairly certain that neither missed at the O&B scrimmage when Colquitt held.
If this is indeed the case we need to release him and accept the $$$ Colquitt will cost us.
If this isn't accurate then we need to get rid of the worst of the 2 kickers and bring somebody else in to compete and compare w/the better of the two. If it proves to be the kickers swallow pride on the 5th round pick for AS and move forward because we WILL lose games if we go into the regular season as is.
Jamie fairly beat out his competition. They could have played it safe and kept Colquitt, but they clearly are not afraid to take risks. I think that willingness to not be afraid bodes well. I have my worries about both our punting and kicking, but at the end of the day I am just a fan. I have to trust the process of coaches and evaluators decide who to keep on the 53.
The Hammer is now officially a Dawg and I 100% support him and am all on board.
I agree with you. If Sheehy made the team his too would have been a top seller. People love personalities and that is why the media sell personal stories.
The Hammer is an athlete. The guy can do a lot. He has the speed of a gunner. Can tackle.
But there is a risk. Colquitt is an experienced guy and proven. He knows his game. Very effective punter.
But I trust the process. They had a good competition and the Hammer won the job.
I am more concerned with Siebert. So many games come down to field goals. Again there was competition. However, neither guy is money in the bank. I have no idea how this guy will hold up under pressure.
That is what kicking is about. If you are there to kick. You can kick. The question is can you kick under game pressure?
Yeah, i worry that the nuances of punting/holding will take some time for Hammer to acquire (like any position) ... there will be some growing pains no doubt
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